2023 Trade Deadline Thread: Conley/VanVleet/Lowry/etc. (Updated thread)

[LamarWho]

Kyrie traded to Dallas.

[MartinToVaught]

Good luck with that, Mavs. As much as we need to make trades, thank goodness we didn't trade for that team-ruiner.

[esqtvd]

meh, 40 points each and no defense
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BTW Steph has some damage

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[Dynamix]

Not gonna lie, I was really worried we might actually get him for a moment there. Haven't felt this relieved since we let Doc explore other ventures.

[KL2]

Thank goodness. Dodged a bullet.

I expect the Clippers to move quickly elsewhere. Even as part of the business it’s gotta be tough to hear your name in a potential trade package.

[madmaxmedia]

I guess I just want us to do SOMETHING, and there are definitely better options than Kyrie.

That being said, I’ll be most disappointed if we make no significant moves at all. Our road trip has actually gone better than I expected (just failed to close the Bucks), but if we want to get past the 2nd round we need to do something.

[Ballings7]

Called it

Mavs will be dangerous offensively, but defensively they are still a bad team for the long haul outside of decent spurts every playoff-level team has.

How Kyrie and Luka mesh will be super interesting, both really need the ball and are zoned in scorers when they think they have it going and need to go on a run...

Hopefully for Dallas POV, this will ease the load on Luka as the way they've been would not be sustainable over the coming months and years for Luka's overall well being.

I wouldn't of minded at all getting Kyrie, tbh.. but oh well. Back to Conley and maybe Monte Morris or Rozier

Getting Kyrie would be wild in all directions.. but I don't think it happens. I think he probably goes to Dallas, Dinwiddie goes back to Brooklyn.

So then we just have 3 bad passers and 3 head cases. Man I wouldnt even know what to think. Zubac, Morris, Kyrie, Kawhi, and PG. All 3 below average passers. Also very bad defensive unit. Would be crazy weird.

I would rather do Morris/Jackson for Plumlee/Rozier. Plumlee would be the perfect center for this team.

Rozier
George
Kawhi
Batum
Zubac

Mann
Powell
Kennard
Covington
Plumlee

[Roscoe Sheed]

As talented as he is, I'm happy the Clippers didn't get Irving. As stated earlier, he wears out his welcome quickly. Also, I find some of his views reprehensible.

[LamarWho]

Monte Morris and Mason Plumlee are on the top of my wish list.

[madmaxmedia]

As talented as he is, I'm happy the Clippers didn't get Irving. As stated earlier, he wears out his welcome quickly. Also, I find some of his views reprehensible.

It happened pretty quickly in Boston and Brooklyn, so to expect some kind of turnaround on his next stop is more desperation than clear thinking.

[esqtvd]

As talented as he is, I'm happy the Clippers didn't get Irving. As stated earlier, he wears out his welcome quickly. Also, I find some of his views reprehensible.

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[MartinToVaught]

As talented as he is, I'm happy the Clippers didn't get Irving. As stated earlier, he wears out his welcome quickly. Also, I find some of his views reprehensible.

It happened pretty quickly in Boston and Brooklyn, so to expect some kind of turnaround on his next stop is more desperation than clear thinking.

His toxicity seems to have a multiplier based on each new team he goes to. He was bad in Cleveland, worse in Boston, and a disaster in Brooklyn. At this rate, Dallas won't even want to re-sign him this summer and he'll be begging the Guangdong Southern Tigers for a roster spot.

[Dynamix]

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[Ballings7]

Monte Morris and Mason Plumlee are on the top of my wish list.

For sure. Definitely need a big with some experience and general competency on both ends, at least.. like not a liability on either end, but at least adequate on one side, and solid on the other. Plumlee fits the bill as a realistic target.

Playing Memphis and Denver would be interesting and is fairly concerning with just Zubac as a player with true frontcourt, "big" size, who can be foul prone, and inevitably will be for parts of a series against either of them.

Everyone else who would be a PF or C, are all traditionally, mostly SF-build level players, and really small ball bigs, outside of Morris, whos an undersized PF who had average to medicore athleticism in his younger days. Lateral quickness on the wing.

Covington, Batum, and even Morris, are undersized against teams with actual length and skill at PF/C for their main line-ups. And then, all of them aren't strong rebounders in general and never really have been when they were younger. Defensive movement is still there + length and awareness from Batum/Covington, and Morris has declined defensively from a few years ago, and from when he was with Washington and Boston.

More worried about Denver than Memphis (Grizz to me are shaky and exploitable overall, past Morant and Bane, on the young side; don't really care about Brooks much who isn't a slouch offensively but isn't really consistent, he would be made to beat teams and isn't proven to be able to do that; but JJJ, Clarke, and Adams are pretty active and tough and have an overall advantage against the Clips PF/Cs). Actually match up better with JJJ/Clarke since Clarke is easier to match up against size and agility wise with Covington or Batum.

For Denver, Past some cagey and tough defensive strategy, Jokic will undoubtedly be MVP-level over the series - best thing probably to try and do is make Jokic a scorer to use energy, get him in foul trouble (Zubac rolling hard often)/defend on the perimeter (Batum/Covington bombing from three and cutting) depending whos in the game, and force everyone else into tough twos, run them off the 3PT line they love so much, create off the dribble (other than Murray/Gordon).

Be a tough series to win right now for the Clips, and would probably lose it, as healthy. Denver's core four are a problem (Jokic/Murray/Porter/Gordon) + role guys like Brown and KCP. And then, their frontcourt are very balanced and athletic and compiment one another well, diversely skilled. Jokic, Gordon, and Porter are all big for their primary positions, and Porter's developed more offensively, has length on defense, but not going to be a true concern defensively to me.

At least the spark plug offensive guards like Morris and beasley are gone from 2020, but have been replaced by more well rounded wings in Brown and KCP. Bones Hyland is in the doghouse but can be a problem off the bench, too. Ish Smith can still be a pest off the bench. Kankar is interesting as a shooter, haven't seen much of him.

Make Porter defend and prove himself. Make Jokic defend and prove himself. Make Murray defend and prove himself - tire them out; Gordon is well known, and matches up fairly well with Kawhi/George over a series, but can only defend one of them. I'm sure they'd use Brown and KCP against whoever Gordon isn't guarding of the two, primarily, and keep Porter on another player as much as possible. Just have to try and exploit both those match ups and adjust as needed.

Kawhi has usually handled Gordon pretty well more often than not since Orlando days; small sample size since Gordon with Denver and improved team defense, seemingly. They seem to be playing well defensively as a team in the regular season, at least from bits and pieces I've read/seen. Jokic has improved defensively, but he's not a real anchor, but does have good overall size of course.

The Clips I would say are a superior mid-range team than Denver, and will of course be able to compete well game in game out with weapons on the 3PT line. Just that the paint points square off will be a concern vs Denver, and controlling their ball movement. And then rebounding.

But we'll see. Clips getting just a bit more well rounded at PF/C and PG I think will be pretty key against Memphis and Denver (and maybe evne other teams, but not as well rounded as them, stack to stack of main guys), as everyone else has said.

[nickhx2]

Not gonna lie, I was really worried we might actually get him for a moment there. Haven't felt this relieved since we let Doc explore other ventures.

Christ Almighty i know

[Bobbymcgee]

Of course he is going to make his debut against the Clippers lol.

Going to be really awkward if the Mavs eliminate the Clippers in the playoffs.

[ejftw]

Monte Morris and Mason Plumlee are on the top of my wish list.

Top of mine for a while....if Ballmer really doesn't care about the LT:


TPE + pick swap (Cha gets better of the worst of LAC/OKC and Denver, we get the other). for Plumlee. About a seven spot draft but it's worth it for this year.

Wall + 2nds for Monte.

[playaloc916]

Glad someone else traded for him before the Clips did. Kyrie is just too much of a headcase to even consider. Doesn't the team have a front office guy who's main job is to make sure we only look at "high character" players or something? I wouldn't be surprised if the team made an offer knowing the Nets wouldn't agree, just as a smokescreen.

I also would be a bit disappointed if we don't make a move. I really think the team needs to consolidate a bit. I hope we can keep Norm though, he reminds me a bit of Eric Gordon before he was traded. Decent three point shooter but isn't afraid to drive and score inside. Also, Batum needs to stay as well.

[nickhx2]

yeah it briefly occurred to me that the team might have been driving a trade not only to increase the cost to any rival WC teams, but also to get the ball rolling such that they could start chasing after conley/fvv or whomever with the biggest domino falling.