Trade Idea Thread II

[LACtdom]

Would bass solve our problems though? I wouldn't mind a center.


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[nickhx2]

it might in the sense that he'd run both he and josh smith as our backup bigs instead of smith as our C and pierce as our 4, which hasn't been effective thus far.

then of course there's the whole getting rid of jamal thing on top of that, so yeah i'd say bass would solve quite a few issues.

[og15]

I actually didn't mind Nick Young when he was here, he's a very good spot up shooter from the corners, he can create for himself, and his isolation defense is good, but he's just such an uninterested playmaker (though that keeps his turnovers low), doesn't care about rebounding, and get's lost way too easily on team defense. I have no clue if his overall outcome would be better or worse than Jamal, but he's a lot younger.

Isn't more spot up shooting and less playmaking exactly what the bench needs? Take out Jamal for a guy like that, and suddenly there's room for Lance to handle the ball on the bench, and even some length on the wings.

Bass and Plumlee would be better than him of course, but I don't think Crawford's gonna fetch anything as nice as that by himself. It has to be a worse contract than him, cause I don''t see a team giving up value for him at this point.

If Young decides to play primarily like that, but he likes to do a lot of on the ball isolation also. He's only assisted on 40% of his 2PT FG makes for his career.

...and Doc has kind of been bad in terms of defining roles with some guys. Jamal doing whatever he wants, Smith shooting so many three's, so I don't know if he'd reel Nick in well based on that.

[LApwnd]

are you sure the team couldn't get back a brandon bass? the lakers clearly are awful again and they might want to sneak out of his contract for another shot at free agency.

Hes on a 1 yr deal....what is there to get out of?...but you can have him if you take lou williams with him ....id take back lance just for his expiring contract

[og15]

Lol, that would never happen, Lance has some possible trade value later on for teams trying to clear space. Lou neither has on court of trade value for the Clippers.

Doc needs to find a way to move one of Austin or Jamal, which likely means Jamal. Start Wesley Johnson as a Thabo Sefolosha type starter. Stagger the lineups with Austin / Lance / Pierce / Smith. No 5 man bench stuff. If it doesn't work, make use of Aldrich. They can't just keep doing most of the same stuff though.

Defensively on the other hand, I don't know what to say about that one.

[nickhx2]

thought bass was signed for multi year. must be thinking of lou.

[QRich3]

Doc needs to find a way to move one of Austin or Jamal, which likely means Jamal.

I needs to be 2 of the 3 from Austin/Lance/Jamal, or else the problem will be mitigated but still there. But the only way he moves Austin is if he finds a golden opportunity for him to be a long term starting PG and the rest of Austin's career looks safe, which I don't see near. Maybe the Nets with their awful PG depth and no picks comin in can agree to trade him for Jarrett Jack? we'd make Paul happier in the same move too. Though they'd have to take on one of the other two, and since Lance is from there, maybe I got something going here? matching up salaries is tricky though.

[nickhx2]

Doc needs to find a way to move one of Austin or Jamal, which likely means Jamal.

I needs to be 2 of the 3 from Austin/Lance/Jamal, or else the problem will be mitigated but still there. But the only way he moves Austin is if he finds a golden opportunity for him to be a long term starting PG and the rest of Austin's career looks safe, which I don't see near. Maybe the Nets with their awful PG depth and no picks comin in can agree to trade him for Jarrett Jack? we'd make Paul happier in the same move too. Though they'd have to take on one of the other two, and since Lance is from there, maybe I got something going here? matching up salaries is tricky though.

I can't really fathom doc trading austin, but if were to happen i'd think that the nets might bite just to see if he could be something with starter minutes. Jack would be awesome for us cause doc might actually play him and cp3 loves him.

[og15]

Doc needs to find a way to move one of Austin or Jamal, which likely means Jamal.

I needs to be 2 of the 3 from Austin/Lance/Jamal, or else the problem will be mitigated but still there. But the only way he moves Austin is if he finds a golden opportunity for him to be a long term starting PG and the rest of Austin's career looks safe, which I don't see near. Maybe the Nets with their awful PG depth and no picks comin in can agree to trade him for Jarrett Jack? we'd make Paul happier in the same move too. Though they'd have to take on one of the other two, and since Lance is from there, maybe I got something going here? matching up salaries is tricky though.

Yea, you're right, and if Doc didn't have GM powers and Austin wasn't his son I'd be more confident with that too.

I don't think they need to get out of hand and do anything too drastic, but yes, if they moved Austin and Jamal and got a guy that is more conducive to playing next to Lance, and then either play Aldrich or get a C that can play when DJ gets fouled and do some of what he does, then the depth looks a lot more functional.

That's all too much of an if, but maybe the early losing will force their hand. Some guys can't be traded until the 15th though.

[nickhx2]

who can't, the new additions?

[og15]

who can't, the new additions?

Yea, any player signed this off-season can't be traded until December 15th

[Wammy Giveaway]

Here's how the players are currently constructed, and when they can be traded. Assume everybody is tradeable, even if it means giving up somebody the Clippers truly love. A 3-game losing streak is considered a deal breaker:

Chris Paul - Fully tradeable
DeAndre Jordan - Cannot be traded until January 15
Blake Griffin - Fully tradeable
Lance Stephenson - Fully tradeable (Packaged deal restriction expired August 15)
J.J. Redick - Fully tradeable
Jamal Crawford - Fully tradeable
Paul Pierce - Cannot be traded until December 15
Austin Rivers - Cannot be traded until January 15
C.J. Wilcox - Fully tradeable
Cole Aldrich - Cannot be traded until December 15
Wesley Johnson - Cannot be traded until December 15
Josh Smith - Cannot be traded until December 15
Luc Mbah A Moute - Cannot be traded until December 25
Pablo Prigioni - Cannot be traded until December 15
Branden Dawson - Fully tradeable

Source: Basketball Insiders

[mattd13]

I do see a little improvement in Austin and he is young. he is also a lucky camper to have his dad as gm and coach. I do not see him going anywhere at this time. however lance seems lost and can not find a way to fit. jamal tries hard but his best days have past just like paul pierce. I had hoped josh smith would be more of a help but he hurts more than he helps. he should never be on the 3 point line because he can't defend or rebound there and I thought that was his job. sad to say but the second group is a huge problem. if it were me I would start wes and stagger the starters. doc needs to get this right soon or we are in for a long season. I am in the really worried camp now.

[LApwnd]

Lol, that would never happen, Lance has some possible trade value later on for teams trying to clear space. Lou neither has on court of trade value for the Clippers.

Doc needs to find a way to move one of Austin or Jamal, which likely means Jamal. Start Wesley Johnson as a Thabo Sefolosha type starter. Stagger the lineups with Austin / Lance / Pierce / Smith. No 5 man bench stuff. If it doesn't work, make use of Aldrich. They can't just keep doing most of the same stuff though.

Defensively on the other hand, I don't know what to say about that one.

Only players youd be getting back for lance are the type you gave up to get him like Hawes, overpaid and under performing...so Lou fits that criteria lol

[BlzMwt]

the problem with doc trading for austin wasn't the nepotism that everyone claims in terms of giving him playing time or letting him work through his mistakes

i think the biggest problem was that if a trade is on the table, and austin needs to be included to match salaries or whatnot, but that would entail austin going to a poor situation, then how does doc objectively go about that? sure it made sense from an objective standpoint to trade for him considering we didnt have a back up point. It makes sense to play him now considering the alternative is prigioni.

But what does Doc do if he has a trade on the table and Austin is going to end up going to a team that has a glut of guards that are better than him and he won't get playing time? Sends him to a team that is really dysfunctional in terms of management and player roles like the Kings?

Do you see him doing it? Obviously as fans we all spout for him to do his job, he shouldnt have traded for austin in the first place if he couldnt handle this situation. But in reality, Doc's his father, and this could have already happened, where doc refused a deal because austin wouldnt end up benefiting. It's unfortunate

[nickhx2]

I can see him doing it. From what i gather they have a bit of an atypical father/son relationship.

[LACtdom]

I don't think Austin is a liability anyway. No matter who we trade for, I just want us to only trade for players that we will actually PLAY. I know it's good to have depth but if players like Aldrich, Pablo and Lance aren't getting minutes then they could be traded for a competent reserve who Doc trusts enough to give minutes to.

[nickhx2]

fwiw i don't think we should move austin. i just read a stat where austin has been holding guards he's defended to -9% of their normal FG%. i mean i think we could all see he has improved a lot defensively and i think once (if) the defense ever starts clicking he'll be a vital part. whenever the team has put out it's full athletic lineups out we've seen great defensive things and he's a good reason for that, imo.

[Neddy]

I know Doc is the HC and he was a NBA player as I watched him rock the Hawks jersey back in the day alongside of Dominique and was at the old sports arena when he was a clipper for a half a season at the dawn of the Larry Brown era, but **** man I cannot understand his rotation one bit. so ya the Warriors are dominating the league with their small ball lineup, but that is also because of the players they have, they have length through out their lineup for traditionally smaller statue of positions, and have a versatile PF who can guard 3 to 5. but most of all, they are well coached and understands their role perfectly. I am not sure the same can be said about doc's lineups. I wanna see Cole play. I wanna see Wes in the starting lineup, I wanna see Jamal sit his ass down and only be an emergency scorer when we need miracle and have multiple injuries. I wanna see Paul Pierce come along slowly and keep his legs fresh for the playoffs, I wanna see a real back up PG, not a scorer like Jamal or a combo guard at best like Austin and not playing Pablo's minutes either. we have too many egos and not enough guidance. we need a tyrant like Tom Thibodeau who will emphasize defense and sit anyone not playing as he is demanded of. Doc says he wants defense but keeps on playing guys who doesn't. I ridiculed MartintoVaught last season but I am starting to think maybe he was on to something.

and you guys should all know that things are looking bad if I am starting to agree with MtV.

[nickhx2]

well if you think cp3 and jordan are worthless then you might wanna add him to facebook too lol