Trade Idea Thread II

[jbk1234]

Per Sam Amico:

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Fire up your trade offers, everybody.

As I can see it, only five of the fifteen Clipper players are safe.

This means they called the Cavs but I can't imagine the Cavs moving any of their main pieces.

Why does this mean they called the Cavs?

Sam Amico works for Fox Sports Ohio and his "league sources" probably consist of the guy in the Cavs organization who organizes the Power Point presentations.

[Quake Griffin]

Solomon Hill?

[Elrod is Back]

Celtics fan here.

The Cs need to thin their herd, especially with bigs. I suspect future pick(s) and salary fodder could get the Clippers David Lee or Tyler Zeller or Jonas Jerebko or James Young. The Cs have to many guys as us, so no need to send anything back of immediate value. Danny & Doc are tight. Doc might be able to dump a contract that extends past 2016.

Lee is playing well and would seem to be a good fit. Legendary good vibrations teammate. Steph Curry says Lee is the best teammate he has ever had. Plus his deal ends after this year.

[Ranma]

Looks like Stephenson's team option for next season is a non-starter.

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Marc J. Spears, Yahoo! Sports (12/7/15)

"There is not much of a market for them," one NBA executive said. "They are buyout candidates. Maybe Lance goes back to Indiana, you never know. You won't get back much for them."

Said another team's front-office executive: "They are talented, but when you add people like that it does affect the chemistry of their team. I don't think they will be traded. It's a tough thing to do because they didn't have a lot of takers beforehand."
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The Orange County Register previously reported that Smith was involved in a loud shouting match with a Clippers assistant coach following a 90-81 loss to the Toronto Raptors on Nov. 21. The assistant in question was Mike Woodson, a source told Yahoo. Woodson coached Smith in Atlanta.

The Clippers have also been open to trading guard Jamal Crawford since the offseason, sources Yahoo.

Sources: Clippers gauged trade interest for Lance Stephenson, Josh Smith

[Wammy Giveaway]

The total value of Lance Stephenson, Josh Smith and Jamal Crawford is around $15.6 million.

In the article, one NBA executive says that maybe the Pacers take Stephenson back. By trading the three pieces, and maybe Branden Dawson and C.J. Wilcox as sweeteners (totaling $17.3 million), Doc could get back superstar Paul George.

[Ranma]

The total value of Lance Stephenson, Josh Smith and Jamal Crawford is around $15.6 million.

In the article, one NBA executive says that maybe the Pacers take Stephenson back. By trading the three pieces, and maybe Branden Dawson and C.J. Wilcox as sweeteners (totaling $17.3 million), Doc could get back superstar Paul George.

There's absolutely no reason for the Pacers to do that, Wammy. Sure, it'd be great for us but the Pacers can just wait until the off-season and sign Stephenson to a minimum deal. There's no one clamoring for his services. Crawford and Smith are both 1-year rentals. Dawson and Wilcox are rookies who can't even crack the active roster even if it isn't really their fault. None of that prompts the Pacers to make such a trade.

Plus, they'd have to waive some players just to fit everyone on the 15-man roster. Maybe we can fool them into thinking Doc is a championship level coach who can get them to the promised land. It worked on us. Even if they believed that and we included him in the package, that wouldn't be enough to get them to trade Paul George. Not even remotely close.

Think about it. If you were the Pacers, would you make that trade?

[madmaxmedia]

Those 3 guys, for 25-year old Paul George who is dropping 27.6/8.2/4.2 on 45% FG and 45% 3PT this year? Sure, why not!

If the Pacers balk, we can always dangle Pablo and a case of Surface Pro's to seal the deal.

[LACtdom]

Yes I agree that Lance and Smith haven't lived up to our expectations but seriously, they haven't been here one year yet and Doc's idea of trading them just feels like he is trading scrubs who used to be good (which he can't coach and make fit), for different scrubs who have never been good (who he won't be able to coach and make fit). I know as much as Jon Snow about coaching but I'd rather try to make them work than watch a decent coach get value out of them in a year or so.

[madmaxmedia]

He's got a fair track record of bringing guys in (given our salary constraints), but a poor record of successfully integrating them into the team and getting a positive contribution from them-

Jared Dudley
Spencer Hawes
Josh Smith (so far)
Lance Stephenson (so far)

Redick has fit in well with the team. But it seems like with more specialist guys, Doc hasn't nearly made the most of them.

[BlzMwt]

The total value of Lance Stephenson, Josh Smith and Jamal Crawford is around $15.6 million.

In the article, one NBA executive says that maybe the Pacers take Stephenson back. By trading the three pieces, and maybe Branden Dawson and C.J. Wilcox as sweeteners (totaling $17.3 million), Doc could get back superstar Paul George.

paul george is 25, has arguably been the second best player in the league this season, and the pacers are currently sitting in 2nd in the east after not making the playoffs last season... what benefit would it bring them to trade for all of the clippers "assets" that they don't want?

[Neddy]

while we are at it, why don't we flip Austin Rivers and Pablo for Damien Lillard? we can even go grab Rudy Gobert for CJ WIlcox.

[QRich3]

Lance was always acquired with the suspicion that he might not work out, there was some upside with him, but the idea was always to get an expiring contract for Hawes' deal. So I'm not surprised he's on the trade block. Smith is a different case, and I'd try to give him a chance still, but if he's the only valuable piece we have to trade, I'm not against gauging value for him.

If we could somehow give the Nets any combination of guys/picks that brings Rondae here for instance, you have to send anyone out of the core 4. Or if you can get a guy like for instance Taj Gibson, you have to do it too. If you can't get anything close to that sort of value (most likely thing), at least you've done your homework and asked around, which is what's happening.

[madmaxmedia]

while we are at it, why don't we flip Austin Rivers and Pablo for Damien Lillard? we can even go grab Rudy Gobert for CJ WIlcox.

Salaries don't match-

[LACtdom]

Lance was always acquired with the suspicion that he might not work out, there was some upside with him, but the idea was always to get an expiring contract for Hawes' deal. So I'm not surprised he's on the trade block. Smith is a different case, and I'd try to give him a chance still, but if he's the only valuable piece we have to trade, I'm not against gauging value for him.

If we could somehow give the Nets any combination of guys/picks that brings Rondae here for instance, you have to send anyone out of the core 4. Or if you can get a guy like for instance Taj Gibson, you have to do it too. If you can't get anything close to that sort of value (most likely thing), at least you've done your homework and asked around, which is what's happening.

Both those guys would be nice but my concern is that we would be stuck with someone a lot worse than Smith coming off the bench at C, unless Doc played Taj at C which seems stupid since he is a career 0.9 rpg. We really need to get the better end of any deal we make. This is a situation where you could throw in picks to get better quality players. I'd much prefer to keep our defensive albeit average SF's and focus on getting a quality back-up big who can effectively play C.

[Neddy]

while we are at it, why don't we flip Austin Rivers and Pablo for Damien Lillard? we can even go grab Rudy Gobert for CJ WIlcox.

Salaries don't match-

you missed the point. try "context"

[mttwlsn16]

Lance for LeBron, make it happen

[madmaxmedia]

while we are at it, why don't we flip Austin Rivers and Pablo for Damien Lillard? we can even go grab Rudy Gobert for CJ WIlcox.

Salaries don't match-

you missed the point. try "context"

I know, I was joking too! Try "context".

[og15]

The total value of Lance Stephenson, Josh Smith and Jamal Crawford is around $15.6 million.

In the article, one NBA executive says that maybe the Pacers take Stephenson back. By trading the three pieces, and maybe Branden Dawson and C.J. Wilcox as sweeteners (totaling $17.3 million), Doc could get back superstar Paul George.

paul george is 25, has arguably been the second best player in the league this season, and the pacers are currently sitting in 2nd in the east after not making the playoffs last season... what benefit would it bring them to trade for all of the clippers "assets" that they don't want?

One of my biggest pet peeves is when people propose trades with the crazy idea that quantity over quality. As if getting 5 below average to average players equals getting a superstar.

Here's Indiana's counter offer:

Monta Ellis, Rodney Stuckey, Solomon Hill and Joseph Young for Chris Paul. By trading three pieces and Young as a sweetner, Indiana could add a second superstar to pair with George.

If you believe that this offer is good and makes sense for the Clippers then you can believe that the other one is good for Indiana.

[og15]

Lance was always acquired with the suspicion that he might not work out, there was some upside with him, but the idea was always to get an expiring contract for Hawes' deal. So I'm not surprised he's on the trade block. Smith is a different case, and I'd try to give him a chance still, but if he's the only valuable piece we have to trade, I'm not against gauging value for him.

If we could somehow give the Nets any combination of guys/picks that brings Rondae here for instance, you have to send anyone out of the core 4. Or if you can get a guy like for instance Taj Gibson, you have to do it too. If you can't get anything close to that sort of value (most likely thing), at least you've done your homework and asked around, which is what's happening.

Both those guys would be nice but my concern is that we would be stuck with someone a lot worse than Smith coming off the bench at C, unless Doc played Taj at C which seems stupid since he is a career 0.9 rpg. We really need to get the better end of any deal we make. This is a situation where you could throw in picks to get better quality players. I'd much prefer to keep our defensive albeit average SF's and focus on getting a quality back-up big who can effectively play C.

Taj has a career average of 6.2 rpg and considering minutes, he's at 9.1 rebs/36 for his career, what's wrong with that?

He's at 9.8 rebs/36 this season, he has decent size, and he can protect the rim. He'd be the best backup big man the Clippers have had since Chris Paul got traded here.

[Ranma]

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