Trade Idea Thread II

[og15]

Tomorrow is the day when a lot of players become available for trade, but are there any realistic trade options for the Clippers? If so, what players do you guys think could make sense?

I know he still averages a foul out every 36 minutes, but with the Clippers change in defensive system where the big man can stay inside, this plays a lot more to his advantage, and therefore, I still like the idea of Alexis Ajinca, and his length, shooting, rebounding, offensive ability and 80%+ FT shooting.

Ajinca is a pretty solid big man to have and actually PLAY when teams go to hack a DJ. So far this season he's averaging per 36:

15.3 pts / 11.6 rebs / 1.4 blk / 1.8 tov / 6.2 fouls / .532 FG% / .889 FT% / .552 TS%

Contract: 4 years / $20 million, $4.3 million this season

What could the Clippers offer New Orleans that they actually want though?

....and the bigger question is will Doc actually play him anyways?

[nickhx2]

Starting backwards, i'd say doc rivers isn't going to be playing any ajincas or traditional backup centers. For a long time now doc has been obsessed with 3pt shooting bigs and small-ball, even to the extent that he'd force it when it isn't really working. I think doc will have to be failing for many more years before he gives up on such a thing, and i don't see how ajinca fits into his scheme otherwise.

Would I be all for it? Certainly. But the only guy who reasonably fits his contract is crawford and i think we all know how doc feels about letting go of that guy. I'm not sure NOLA would even want to do that, but there is the off chance they'd want to clear ajinca's salary for the upcoming cap boom. That'd be a freaking dream, though. Trading a guy who has been a disaster all season for someone who could actually contribute but also balance our 2nd unit all at the same time would be incredible.

As far as what's realistic: honestly i only see lance being the realistic trade at the moment. He definitely hasn't lit the world on fire but i think any gm with a discerning eye could see that for better or worse, lance can be a huge energizer with enough minutes. Someone out there might gamble on the idea that consistency and a defined role would get him back on track and i think that's worth something to someone. And if not, declining his option at the EOS is still pretty nifty. Who we could get back for him is quite a tough question, though.

[mait]

Would You consider trade of Shabazz Muhammad, Tyus Jones, Kevin Martin for Lance Stephenson and 2 future unprotected first rounders (2017; 2019)?

[nickhx2]

no

[nickhx2]

but that trade is totally up doc's alley. doghouse a guy and make him your whipping boy all season long then throw as many first rounders at a team to get him out of doc's sight.

[og15]

Somehow get Jarret Jack from Brooklyn with one of Jamal or Austin going and something else to make them actually do it.

Joe Johnson could also be useful for the Clippers if he's bought out, though the Nets have no incentive to do so. I know he's old and he isnt' producing that well so far, but he could be.

[nickhx2]

jarret jack for jamal would be a dream. i also agree on johnson but i don't see any reasons right now why they'd want to.

if anything was going to happen, though, it'd better happen fast. the team only has so much time for rebalancing and getting used to each other if new parts come in.

[og15]

The only way he gets bought out is by a good will deal with him and the Nets to let him go to a contender.

[LACtdom]

I know it might be too hard to change our playing style but I wouldn't mind trading DJ for a guy like Robin Lopez (assuming he's cheaper than DJ). An above average all-rounder who frees up some salary to touch up other roster weaknesses.

[Ranma]

I wanted Robin Lopez to be our backup center for a while before teams caught on to his value. The Knicks gave him a sizable deal where he's now earning just over what DJ used to make before the Clips extended him post-Dallas. At this point, Lopez is probably overpaid but I'd be interested in the trade if we could package the deal from both sides to make it more appealing for the Clippers.

However, outside of Kristaps Porzingis--who is untouchable--there isn't any proposal that would urge us to pull the trigger straight away. The following are a couple that may be realistic:

Proposal 1
To Los Angeles: Robin Lopez , Arron Afflalo, and Derrick Williams
To New York: DeAndre Jordan, Josh Smith, and Jamal Crawford


Proposal 2
To Los Angeles: Carmelo Anthony, Robin Lopez, Cleanthony Early, and Langston Galloway
To New York: DeAndre Jordan, Lance Stephenson, Jamal Crawford, and Josh Smith

[TucsonClip]

I wanted Robin Lopez to be our backup center for a while before teams caught on to his value. The Knicks gave him a sizable deal where he's now earning just over what DJ used to make before the Clips extended him post-Dallas. At this point, Lopez is probably overpaid but I'd be interested in the trade if we could package the deal from both sides to make it more appealing for the Clippers.

However, outside of Kristaps Porzingis--who is untouchable--there isn't any proposal that would urge us to pull the trigger straight away. The following are a couple that may be realistic:

Proposal 1
To Los Angeles: Robin Lopez , Arron Afflalo, and Derrick Williams
To New York: DeAndre Jordan, Josh Smith, and Jamal Crawford


Proposal 2
To Los Angeles: Carmelo Anthony, Robin Lopez, Cleanthony Early, and Langston Galloway
To New York: DeAndre Jordan, Lance Stephenson, Jamal Crawford, and Josh Smith

Never been a fan of Robin Lopez. Centers who dont rebound are not the type of players I want on my team.

For reference, Lopez's career defensive rebound percentage is 14.3 (14.4 this year). Michael Carter-Williams career DREB% is 15.

[Ranma]

Never been a fan of Robin Lopez. Centers who dont rebound are not the type of players I want on my team.

For reference, Lopez's career defensive rebound percentage is 14.3 (14.4 this year). Michael Carter-Williams career DREB% is 15.

So it does confirm that Lopez is still overpaid and best suited for the backup center role, which further shows how problematic a trade with New York is. The 2016 NBA draft looks to have a lot of intriguing big men, so maybe we can find a gem there. I'm personally looking at Domantas Sabonis but there should be other good non-center prospects in what looks to be a deep draft class. Unfortunately, I continue to have my doubts about Doc picking the right player.

[og15]

Heard that Hawks might be thinking of trading Horford for Dwight. Of course DJ is not as good as prime / healthy Dwight, but what would you guys think about the Clippers figuring out a way to add Horford to the team?

Even though there's a loss of size and rebounding, I'm personally a fan of Horford because my vision of it is that Horford becomes the primary pick and pop big (and he's better than Blake at that) and Blake starts to play inside / drive more because he now has more space to do so. Whether that would actually be the reality is a different story.

Of course before any of that discussion is the reality of Atlanta even wanting to trade Horford for DJ in the first place which I'm not sure is that real.

[TucsonClip]

Never been a fan of Robin Lopez. Centers who dont rebound are not the type of players I want on my team.

For reference, Lopez's career defensive rebound percentage is 14.3 (14.4 this year). Michael Carter-Williams career DREB% is 15.

So it does confirm that Lopez is still overpaid and best suited for the backup center role, which further shows how problematic a trade with New York is. The 2016 NBA draft looks to have a lot of intriguing big men, so maybe we can find a gem there. I'm personally looking at Domantas Sabonis but there should be other good non-center prospects in what looks to be a deep draft class. Unfortunately, I continue to have my doubts about Doc picking the right player.

He brings good BB IQ and is a good defender, but if im looking for a backup center im not paying him that much unless I can pair him with an elite rebounding 4 at some point in the rotation.

Not a fan of this draft class, but Sabonis is exactly the type of player we don't have. Skilled on the block, but he'll need a few years to develop IMO. Not a good defender, but he has the offensive skills down low we lack. I would absolutely take a shot on him late in the 1st.

[TucsonClip]

Heard that Hawks might be thinking of trading Horford for Dwight. Of course DJ is not as good as prime / healthy Dwight, but what would you guys think about the Clippers figuring out a way to add Horford to the team?

Even though there's a loss of size and rebounding, I'm personally a fan of Horford because my vision of it is that Horford becomes the primary pick and pop big (and he's better than Blake at that) and Blake starts to play inside / drive more because he now has more space to do so. Whether that would actually be the reality is a different story.

Of course before any of that discussion is the reality of Atlanta even wanting to trade Horford for DJ in the first place which I'm not sure is that real.

I dont see anyway they deal Horford for Dwight unless they know for a fact Horford doesnt want to come back. Horford >>> Dwight.

If there was any way we could pair Horford with CP3 and Blake I would do it immediately. He fits in the window, can space the floor, is a really good defender and allows us to invert our offense and create all kinds of driving lanes for Blake and CP3. He'd dramatically improve our defense.

[og15]

Heard that Hawks might be thinking of trading Horford for Dwight. Of course DJ is not as good as prime / healthy Dwight, but what would you guys think about the Clippers figuring out a way to add Horford to the team?

Even though there's a loss of size and rebounding, I'm personally a fan of Horford because my vision of it is that Horford becomes the primary pick and pop big (and he's better than Blake at that) and Blake starts to play inside / drive more because he now has more space to do so. Whether that would actually be the reality is a different story.

Of course before any of that discussion is the reality of Atlanta even wanting to trade Horford for DJ in the first place which I'm not sure is that real.

I dont see anyway they deal Horford for Dwight unless they know for a fact Horford doesnt want to come back. Horford >>> Dwight.

If there was any way we could pair Horford with CP3 and Blake I would do it immediately. He fits in the window, can space the floor, is a really good defender and allows us to invert our offense and create all kinds of driving lanes for Blake and CP3. He'd dramatically improve our defense.

I don't think it would be the smartest move either, but I would prefer for them to trade him for DJ, lol

[TucsonClip]

Yeah, would love that. Not sure DJ fits into what Bud wants to do, but there would be a ton of packages offered for Horford and we should be in on that if possible.

[nickhx2]

sounds like bulls are looking for a wing guy and are willing to trade taj or noah. what can we do about that?

[TucsonClip]

sounds like bulls are looking for a wing guy and are willing to trade taj or noah. what can we do about that?

Nothing, unless we want to move Redick.

[og15]

sounds like bulls are looking for a wing guy and are willing to trade taj or noah. what can we do about that?

Well, we have Lance, lol, and if I had to choose, Taj > Noah.