Trade Idea Thread II

[QRich3]

Well, the best trade return for DJ in my mind has always been a young 2 way wing + a veteran place holding center, and Noah was always one of my prime trade machine candidates for that role, so I'm glad he's available if true. Something like MKG + Noah in a 3 team trade would be close to maximum return for DJ in my head.

[Ranma]

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[TucsonClip]

Please, no Tony Wroten.

[Wammy Giveaway]

If the Clippers gain an interest in signing Tony Wroten, that means a trade is coming. Jamal Crawford, Josh Smith and Lance Stephenson are the candidates to go. We can also add Branden Dawson and C.J. Wilcox. Cole Aldrich is a possibility.

And finally, if the partying from Monday night's post lost to the Thunder affects chemistry, DeAndre Jordan may be traded as well.

But it all depends on what Doc Rivers wants.

[TucsonClip]

We won't have interest in signing him. We would have to waive Smith, Mbah a Moute or Dawson to do it or make an odd numbered trade. Also, he has to pass through waivers first and then eventually sign somewhere.

Either way, I wouldnt even put in a call of interest for him.

[Ranma]

The Clippers are not among the 10 teams currently eligible to pick him up off waivers and, unlike the 6 teams with open roster spots, the Clips are packed to the maximum limit of 15 players. As TusconClip said, he'd have to pass through waivers in order to sign a minimum deal with us in addition to us waiving someone else of our own or making a trade to open up a vacancy.

Wroten's style would appeal to Doc but it would just further the same broken agenda he's been trying to implement as coach-GM. The DJ partying with the Thunder incident is unlikely to spur action towards dealing him. It's just further indication of his lack of competitive mentality in not having winning among his priorities. I'm definitely in the camp that says he'll need to go but we can wait out for a good deal under a hopefully more capable personnel manager.

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[QRich3]

They'll get way better offers than Lance or Jamal for Gibson, sadly. Plus, I'd say Pau is the guy they'd have to trade, he still has some value and fit wise is the guy that'd be better for the Bulls to dump. But he too has more value than the crap we have to offer

Big NO to Wroten, we already have enough ball hoggers with no range or IQ

[og15]

If Wroten clears waivers and the Clippers go after him, I'd really have to scratch my head about that one.

When Pau was a free agent, I wanted the Clippers to get him, so I would still like him. High IQ guy who was overly criticized in his final years with the Lakers.

I actually believe he would pair very well with Blake as a C, and you could get away with him and DJ together too. His contract also isn't too bad.

I'd prefer him over Noah due to the health

[Wammy Giveaway]

I actually believe he would pair very well with Blake as a C, and you could get away with him and DJ together too. His contract also isn't too bad.

If Pau Gasol did come to the Clippers, Griffin would have to force-slotted to the small forward spot. In fact, Fred Katz had this:

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Basically, if you're a jump shooter, you should be playing the 2 or the 3. (Griffin has yet to masquerade as a shooting guard)

The same thing could be said about Carmelo Anthony if the Clippers wanted him. Except, Griffin's spot would be in limbo due to the possibility of having to trade DeAndre Jordan to get him, or if Doc went Danny Ainge for Kevin Garnett by trading the farm for him. Here's what I mean:

1. If DJ stayed and Melo wants the 4, Griffin would man the 3.
2. If DJ was traded, Griffin would have a choice between the 3 and 5.

[og15]

If you pair a guy like Pau who unlike DJ can score from the high post area and from range, you would actually increase Blake's usage near the rim. I'm assuming DJ is moved in this scenario. If you still keep DJ then Gasol can be your 6th man PF/C and if you are a smart coach he'll be playing 28-30 mpg off the bench.

The statement of if you're a jump shooter you should play the 2 or 3 is extremely broad. Many, many PF's are "mainly" jump shooters in terms of the percentage of their FGA as jump shots.

Bosh, Dirk, Love, Millsap, Horford, Anderson, Davis, LMA, West, etc, etc, and I don't think we'd suggest any of them should be playing the three.

Not sure how you interpreted the quote, but the suggestion is that if he's taking a higher volume from the perimeter, especially long 2`s then you should transition to shooting 3PT shots for efficiency sake.

Not sure why any coach in their right mind if they have both Griffin and Carmelo on their team would play Griffin as a 3 and Melo as a 4.

[Ranma]

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[og15]

Tony Wroten would make sense if the team didn't have a bench with Rivers, Stephenson and Crawford, and even then he still doesn't make that much sense since he's an empty stats guy.

His last 110 games, per 36 and efficiency:
91 Ortg, .489 TS%, 4.5 3PA, 23.1% 3PT, 5.1 ast, 4.4 tov

Have no clue how he justified that rate of 3PA at that percentage. Have no problem sticking him on the bench and trying to develop him for a future season, but I don't think he would want to go to a team for that role. He has defensive potential, but is a gambler and not disciplined. Offensively his bad shooting, carelessness and poor ball protection isn't overcome by his ability to get to the rim.

[nickhx2]

if the clips are going for more of an all-in move, the team could consider tyson chandler, couldn't they? Something like lance + crawford might do the trick and also balance our bench unit some with all our extra wings gone.

What i like:
- potential to really upgrade our bench unit defense. extra leadership, intangibles, blah blah, you know the deal
- jamal gone is even better, as we can probably skate by with just pierce being crappy on defense.
- he can kinda hit ft's, and can pretty much play the DJ role on offense when DJ's swapped out.
- as i mentioned, we balance our guards

Things I don't like? Sheesh. Where to start?
- his contract is frigging long, and he's getting old, and he's expensive
- i really like cole aldrich and i think he might just be our magic bullet. who knows if he can be better? and chandler's coming off an injury and not really being productive, so is it age? injury? both?
- if you can play them together that's kind of cool but then all your spacing goes out the window.
- second unit ball handling gets really dicey if prigioni or cp3 gets hurt.

dunno. seems like a mixed bag. but jamal sucks, i don't see doc giving lance much of a shot at the moment, and there's gotta be something said for adding extra size/strength/defense/rebounding to our second unit.

[og15]

I think the difficulty is justifying paying >$30 million/year at the C spot (what would it be, $33-34 million?) and those aren't even guys you can play together so well since they do the same things and are both C's, not PF/C's. That's a very hard sell.

If you want Chandler, then you should be shopping DJ for a high level SF which I don't think is even possible to get for him. I'm trying to think of what SF could be reasonably traded for him and nothing comes to mind. The best DJ trades seem to be ones where the Clippers are getting back a C and a SF, and having a draft pick to trade for example would be a great way to facilitate one of those.

[Wammy Giveaway]

Tyson Chandler has played with Chris Paul before as a New Orleans Hornet. Doc Rivers prefers continuity and familiarity when he picks up players, which is one of the primary reasons why he went after former Celtic Glen Davis while reuniting with Paul Pierce. The familiarity factor is a shortcut teaching tool.

[Captain Ballmer]

There is the list of available SF in the trade market that good enough to making impact that either Wes or Luc aren't capable of and bad enough in need the refresh or due to contract ıssues. All of them is in the accessable price range of Clippers what Lance, Josh, Crawford or CJ gets together.

Maybe Doc can find some treasure in there. what you folks think which one of those can wear our uniform?

Evan turner (C's looks vor value so only a first rounder + filler works)
Tony Snell (CJ Wilcox + future 2nd maybe)
Chandler Parsons (I think he is market but no way Dallas trade him to us)
Danilo Gallinari (tanking is in the radar and Will Barton needs playing time!! Lance + Josh+ CJ + 2016 1st pick?)
Trevor Ariza (maybe with the right 3rd team trade)
Luol Deng (Heat looks to dumb some contract for Whiteside's 2016 payday, so Deng + McBob + Chris Andersen for Wesley + Josh + Jamaal + Lance wolud be good to start)
Shabazz Mohammed (Dont think Wolves will be indulge with our 2016 mid 20's pick, long shot)
Jeff Green (Memphis look shooters, only Redick is the guy they could look so pass. )
PJ. Tucker (Main Target!! Since Bledsoe out for season, they can use a guard while... Jamaal+future 2nd for PJ Tucker
Robert Covington(Philly looks to dumb Landry too so only way it will work is if we take that contract. Landry+Covington + Filler for Lance + Luc + 2016 First Round and Cj wilcox)
Rudy Gay (only if Sacto would choose to tank in February, Lance + Josh+Jamaal + future 2nd for Gay + Caron butler)

[og15]

Tucker, Gallinari, Deng, Covington could make sense.

Gay, no, don't think Sacramento would want that, but don't want him. Green, no, and certainly not for Redick.

Ariza and Parsons aren't likely as you said.

Turner is too on ball, can't see Doc using him well, and outside shot sucks. Mediocre player either way.

In terms of Tucker, Phoenix actually has a lot of young guards to eat up those minutes and don't need Jamal.

In terms of Gallo, Clippers can't trade first round picks until 2019 unless it is on draft day.

Deng, I'm pretty sure he's expiring, so the Heat probably won't be trading him in a salary dump.

Sheesh, it's hard out there...

[nickhx2]

it is indeed difficult to be a gangster

[Andrew McCeltic]

Evan Turner for a 1st I'd do as a BOS fan, though there's a growing contingent on our board who want to re-sign him..

And if you guys are ready to give up on Deandre (will this help with free agents, after you sweet-talked to get him back from Dallas at the last minute?), Boston could give you depth and/or expirings- Lee/Sullinger/Zeller/Turner...?

FWIW if I were Clips' GM, I'd keep Deandre and try to trade Blake for Porzingis and CP3 for a superstar package..

[nickhx2]

clips wouldn't do any of that and have no reason to.