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Re: Trade Idea Thread II 

Post#1721 » by Captain Ballmer » Thu Dec 31, 2015 7:30 am

og15 wrote:Tucker, Gallinari, Deng, Covington could make sense.
In terms of Gallo, Clippers can't trade first round picks until 2019 unless it is on draft day.


I didn't know that. I just check the link below to figure that post out. Our 2016 first round pick looked clear to me.

http://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/future_drafts/detailed

About Turner, I believe he has a potential to be our Andre Igoudala. Great passer, capable defender on multiple position when switched, Know how to initiate the offence, above avarage rebounder, dont have explosion games, avarage shooter but last year he hit several clutch game winners as far as i remember. Only bad thing is that this year is his contract year so losing a 1st round pick for a guy possible a one year rental due to cap raise could be a huge disadvantage for the future.
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Re: Trade Idea Thread II 

Post#1722 » by Andrew McCeltic » Thu Dec 31, 2015 7:51 am

I think it'd take a 1st to get him, only because he's not a player the Celtics have any urgent desire to get rid of.. BOS more likely keeps him for the season or includes him in a bigger trade. Someone on our board compares him to Shaun Livingston, a draft disappointment who matured into a top-notch role-player. ET has more driving ability than Livingston, from what I can see, but otherwise it's an interesting comp..

Forewarned, Turner's success may be partly due to Brad Stevens, both his presence and his playbook.. Might fail to translate to LAC.
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Re: Trade Idea Thread II 

Post#1723 » by Neddy » Thu Dec 31, 2015 8:35 am

Andrew McCeltic wrote:I think it'd take a 1st to get him, only because he's not a player the Celtics have any urgent desire to get rid of.. BOS more likely keeps him for the season or includes him in a bigger trade. Someone on our board compares him to Shaun Livingston, a draft disappointment who matured into a top-notch role-player. ET has more driving ability than Livingston, from what I can see, but otherwise it's an interesting comp..

Forewarned, Turner's success may be partly due to Brad Stevens, both his presence and his playbook.. Might fail to translate to LAC.


excuse us, but shawn was never a disappointment for us... ever. he just got hurt and was not retained by our FO back then, but prior to his injury, he was everything we thought he would be and eventually become what we wished him to be. his injury did not just cut his ceiling short, but many of our hopes and dreams as well. don't compare him to a draft bust that is ET.
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Re: Trade Idea Thread II 

Post#1724 » by Andrew McCeltic » Thu Dec 31, 2015 10:17 am

Sorry, wasn't trying to bring up old wounds.. The disappointment was the injury..
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Re: Trade Idea Thread II 

Post#1725 » by og15 » Thu Dec 31, 2015 8:38 pm

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og15 wrote:Tucker, Gallinari, Deng, Covington could make sense.
In terms of Gallo, Clippers can't trade first round picks until 2019 unless it is on draft day.


I didn't know that. I just check the link below to figure that post out. Our 2016 first round pick looked clear to me.

http://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/future_drafts/detailed

About Turner, I believe he has a potential to be our Andre Igoudala. Great passer, capable defender on multiple position when switched, Know how to initiate the offence, above avarage rebounder, dont have explosion games, avarage shooter but last year he hit several clutch game winners as far as i remember. Only bad thing is that this year is his contract year so losing a 1st round pick for a guy possible a one year rental due to cap raise could be a huge disadvantage for the future.

All of Turner's other seasons are not so positive of him, but remember that we would have him then paired with Austin Rivers and Jamal Crawford, and the bench as currently constructed does not need anymore on ball players, especially ones with poor range.

Clippers traded the 2017 pick to the Bucks, since you can't trade a future first round pick in consecutive seasons, the Clippers can't trade the 2016 or 2018 draft picks until the draft day.
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Re: Trade Idea Thread II 

Post#1726 » by og15 » Thu Dec 31, 2015 8:54 pm

An interesting question for everyone. Hypothetically speaking, if the Clippers DID want to trade Austin Rivers, is there even a team in the league that he could be traded to? Outside of being an extra contract to match salaries, which his dad won't do to him, is there a team that would actually "need" him?

The only one I could think of is Brooklyn, just because their only real PG is Jack who is an older guy...but then we also know that Austin is actually not a PG...
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Re: Trade Idea Thread II 

Post#1727 » by nickhx2 » Thu Dec 31, 2015 9:03 pm

i'm pretty sure NY is happy with their guards, but isn't he really the best fit there in the triangle? or maybe with the spurs.

it's definitely difficult to think of a good destination for him, that's for sure.
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Post#1728 » by Neddy » Thu Dec 31, 2015 9:07 pm

og15 wrote:An interesting question for everyone. Hypothetically speaking, if the Clippers DID want to trade Austin Rivers, is there even a team in the league that he could be traded to? Outside of being an extra contract to match salaries, which his dad won't do to him, is there a team that would actually "need" him?

The only one I could think of is Brooklyn, just because their only real PG is Jack who is an older guy...but then we also know that Austin is actually not a PG...


as of now, I really can't see it either. his value and ceiling seems to be being a combo guard off the bench and not really as a starter anywhere.
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Re: Trade Idea Thread II 

Post#1729 » by QRich3 » Thu Dec 31, 2015 9:12 pm

Maybe the Mavs for Barea since they always take a shot at young-ish undervalued players and before this recent stretch by Barea I bet they'd love to get out of that contract. Utah maybe? Doubt anyone gives anything of much value though, certainly not starter value.
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Re: Trade Idea Thread II 

Post#1730 » by og15 » Thu Dec 31, 2015 9:31 pm

Oh yea, wow, Barea is shooting 52% FG / 62% 3PT in his last 9 games. 39% FG / 23% 3PT before that, talk about catching fire. Hey, maybe Austin will catch fire too, that would be nice.

Okay, well at least we know that Austin is here to say, but I'm just happy that Pablo is playing with him and Jamal now and he's really gotten that unit more organized. For someone who was prevously a playmaking PG in his career, Doc has had too much faith in guys like Austin and Jamal to be able to direct anything in the realm of an effective offense, especially since they've never really showed themselves as those kind of players.

Jarrett Jack still remains a logical option for the Clippers in place of the older Pablo and Jamal. He's a guy you can pair with Austin so that Austin can be the SG, not PG, but can't see a way to convince Brooklyn of that one with the lack of PG's. Actually I forgot about Larkin, so maybe it's not so bad for them. Jack for Crawford would save them money and works for both teams straight up.

EDIT: Here's the thought I came up with ---

Jarrett Jack to LAC
Brandon Jennings to BRK
Jamal Crawford + Wayne Ellington to DET

Maybe teams send 2nd round picks to Detroit? Detroit is trying to get a creator and more shooting off the bench, since they lost Meeks for a couple of months. Brooklyn obviously getting the younger PG who they could attempt to re-sign if he plays well for them. Obviously we know why for the Clippers. Detroit is the one I'm not sure about here, not sure what they would be wanting for Jennings, but they could likely get a bit more.

Clippers could also do:
Jamal + Wilcox for Jack, not like Wilcox plays, right? Maybe try and swap a second for one of their wings, obviously not Jefferson though.

Have no clue...
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Re: Trade Idea Thread II 

Post#1731 » by nickhx2 » Thu Dec 31, 2015 11:35 pm

definitely any way we could switch jamal for jarret jack would be a huge thing for us. i like that 3-way trade because on the surface i think brooklyn needs some bait because jack probably has a lot more value than just crawford. i don't know if wilcox is exactly it, but i'm sure they'd love to kick the tires on a brandon jennings.
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Re: Trade Idea Thread II 

Post#1732 » by apet8945 » Sat Jan 2, 2016 7:38 am

How about targeting Pekovic? The Wolves have Dieng and Towns and probably don't need to have a third center on the roster. He has a pretty high salary though so Stephenson would have to be traded as part of the package. Maybe Lance and Josh Smith?
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Re: Trade Idea Thread II 

Post#1733 » by nickhx2 » Sat Jan 2, 2016 8:06 am

pekovic's been done with basketball for years now. he is not someone that can be targeted and his salary is very high.
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Re: Trade Idea Thread II 

Post#1734 » by apet8945 » Sat Jan 2, 2016 9:31 am

What? Done with basketball for years? Yeah he's had a couple of big injuries that's had him sidelined for a while last season and this season but that doesn't mean he's "done with basketball".
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Re: Trade Idea Thread II 

Post#1735 » by Captain Ballmer » Sat Jan 2, 2016 12:38 pm

Pekovic is the least player doc would show any interest. Besides the huge salary, he's slower than Hawes, awful shooter, would be very bad in the new defensive scheme and probably worst athlete in the league by far. Only strong play he has is the half-efficent post play which is a huge ball stopper gap in today's basketball. He is gonna be out of the league as soon as his contract finishes.
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Re: Trade Idea Thread II 

Post#1736 » by Andrew McCeltic » Sat Jan 2, 2016 1:01 pm

Yeah, Pek seems like a player from the old NBA.. I could see him going to MIL for Monroe, since Kidd seems to like the old-school low post game.

I'd try Portland as an Austin destination, they're collecting hungry young underachievers, and it's working out ok with Ed Davis and Mo Harkless..
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Re: Trade Idea Thread II 

Post#1737 » by Neddy » Sat Jan 2, 2016 7:04 pm

Andrew McCeltic wrote:Yeah, Pek seems like a player from the old NBA.. I could see him going to MIL for Monroe, since Kidd seems to like the old-school low post game.

I'd try Portland as an Austin destination, they're collecting hungry young underachievers, and it's working out ok with Ed Davis and Mo Harkless..



Doc won't trade his son to a situation where he has no shot competing for the starter's job. Portland has Lillard and McCollum locked up, and with Allen Crabbe and Gerald Henderson manning the back up wing/2guard positions, Austin will end up in the same situation as here playing for back up PG minutes against an actual PG Tim Frazier. the best case scenario is to have Allen Crabbe move permanantly to SF and Henderson is not brought back next season, assuming Austin at least beat out Frazier for the 3rd guard role. but he would have to earn it there without his father looking out for his minutes as here, I don't see him going anywhere to be honest.
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Re: Trade Idea Thread II 

Post#1738 » by Neddy » Sat Jan 2, 2016 7:13 pm

DieHardFan wrote:Pekovic is the least player doc would show any interest. Besides the huge salary, he's slower than Hawes, awful shooter, would be very bad in the new defensive scheme and probably worst athlete in the league by far. Only strong play he has is the half-efficent post play which is a huge ball stopper gap in today's basketball. He is gonna be out of the league as soon as his contract finishes.


Pek is a nice player, but yeah I don't see him fit our system. hell the guys we have right now doesn't seem to fit the system and those guys were specifically signed because of Doc's system.

which brings me to the actual problem we all have known now... is Doc the GM worse than Doc the talent evaluator or visa versa? on paper Josh looks like a good small ball center, but didn't work out. Hawes looked like a good spacer on the floor, but didn't work out. gave away a first to get rid of Jered that was a piece of the bigger puzzle that obviously ended up lessening our return for Bledsoe trade, I mean, hindsight is always 20/20 but doesn't it seem like Doc doesn't really know what type of players actually fits his system? or his system just a result of his assistants at that time a la Mark Jackson? I do think Doc is a good play calling coach out of time outs so he is at least better than Jackson, but way too many misses than hits for my taste. I miss coaches who can alter their systems to maximize the talent they are given.
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Post#1739 » by Ranma » Sat Jan 2, 2016 8:13 pm

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