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Post#181 » by TheNewEra » Thu Aug 20, 2020 5:08 am

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MartinToVaught wrote:Really? Starting Reggie was putting us in position to win? Could have fooled me with that 15-2 start to the game.


Then you are a fool. Blaming our bad start on 3rd-string fill-in starter Reggie is imbecilic.

Funny how the game tightened up when Lou checked in for him, though. Almost like Reggie shouldn't have been starting.

Regular starter Zubac was garbage

How was Trez any better tonight to deserve more minutes than him? 4-10 from the free throw line, only 3 points and 2 rebounds, and the usual non-existent defense, but you of course won't mention that because it doesn't fit your agenda.


Useless bothering with his mess. PG could of played better but Reggie throws off everything we do being so aggressive without converting.

Notice we got close once Lou came in for Reggie
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Post#182 » by Clemenza » Thu Aug 20, 2020 5:08 am

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nickhx2 wrote:the reggie factor doesn't matter nearly as much (and isn't nearly as important for the rest of our games) as the PG factor. he's gotta be better for us to win.

Reggie is the low hanging fruit, the easy one to get on, but he's not even close to being the biggest issue. Paul George was the biggest issue. Shamet's passivity on offense also didn't help, you need your floor spacer to be seen as a threat for them to really be effective.

PG didn't have a good game no doubt about it but at the same time Doc is not putting these guys into a position to be successful so far in this series. First of all small ball is not going to work against this team especially when Trez is not in shape and all the way there mentally yet. Reggie Jackson needs to be reeled in. Put an actual body on Luka for a change- is he just going to run wild and unchecked this entire series. Hell throw Mann on him for a few minutes or so to see what he can do. Shamet needs to be benched. Trez isn't there and is a liability right now, Lou isn't really getting up shots. Its a mess. What is this game plan and offense? We could easily be down 0-2 in this.
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Post#183 » by Roscoe Sheed » Thu Aug 20, 2020 5:22 am

It is inexcusable for a guard like Jackson to have Doncic drive by him. Jackson has a distinct quickness advantage- move your feet!

On the a different topic, I guess this series shows that the regular season doesn't mean much- in the 3 games vs Dallas it looked like the Clippers were dominant and frazzled Doncic- now it looks like the opposite, that the Clippers seem frazzled and Doncic has all the confidence in the world. I was scared that he would find his groove and that Carlisle would outcoach Doc- hopefully those trends reverse as the series goes on.

I'm also quite disturbed that the Mavs seemed to have a much greater sense of urgency than the Clippers. I understand that the Mavs has the motivation not to fall down 0-2, but the Clippers acted like they could walk into another victory against them. Unacceptable.
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Post#184 » by playaloc916 » Thu Aug 20, 2020 5:24 am

Oh boy, what a rough game...
Whoever wins game 3 is probably going to win the series, so I really hope playoff p doesn't have another ice cold night.

I think Shamet needs to be shutdown. He's a liability on both ends of the floor. Now's not the time to waste minutes on him hoping he can play out of his slump, especially when the Mavs look like they can absolutely win the series. I'd give his minutes to Coffey or Mann. I really doubt they could do worse.

Green also seems to be having a bad series. Again, I'd try giving his minutes to either Zu, or Noah for some defense and rebounding.
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Post#185 » by og15 » Thu Aug 20, 2020 5:25 am

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nickhx2 wrote:the reggie factor doesn't matter nearly as much (and isn't nearly as important for the rest of our games) as the PG factor. he's gotta be better for us to win.

Reggie is the low hanging fruit, the easy one to get on, but he's not even close to being the biggest issue. Paul George was the biggest issue. Shamet's passivity on offense also didn't help, you need your floor spacer to be seen as a threat for them to really be effective.

PG didn't have a good game no doubt about it but at the same time Doc is not putting these guys into a position to be successful so far in this series. First of all small ball is not going to work against this team especially when Trez is not in shape and all the way there mentally yet. Reggie Jackson needs to be reeled in. Put an actual body on Luka for a change- is he just going to run wild and unchecked this entire series. Hell throw Mann on him for a few minutes or so to see what he can do. Shamet needs to be benched. Trez isn't there and is a liability right now, Lou isn't really getting up shots. Its a mess. What is this game plan and offense? We could easily be down 0-2 in this.

At this point, the offense can't be revamped, the offense is primarily read and react, use pick and roll for playmaking and Kawhi likes his isolation plays and has liked it since he became a higher scorer. We don't have a true PG on the roster, so you're not going to have any player that can really do the expert job of managing the pace, directing guys, getting the ball to the best spots consistently. Bev does his best imitation, but he's adequate at best, and he was missing.

Paul George's poor play was not a coaching issue though, he simply played poorly, and yes, bad shooting games happen, but he was too out of it in the first half, that's on him.

In terms of guarding Luka, if the solutions were easy, someone would have figured it out, he's got that Harden in him, you put too much contact on him and he will be living at the FT line. You give him too much room he can burn you.

People are calling for Reggie to be benched, Shamet to be benched, Trezz to be benched, well who is going to play with Beverley injured? Shamet needs to shoot the ball even if he's off. He was off for about 10 games before the shut down and then has been off through the bubble games, so I don't know if there is hope for him right now, but still have to shoot. He's been getting the minutes (22.7 mpg), but his last 15 games (pre-bubble and in bubble) before the playoffs he's shot 30% FG/25% 3PT. One could argue that maybe he's better off with the starters, but that makes them small. Reggie took some ill advised shots, and that's what will mostly be remembered, but overall he was fine. Harrell, you might be right, I can't give any accurate comment on his mental state, but you might be right there.

The Clippers obviously have been able to beat this team through the season. In this game, their offense wasn't clicking outside of the FT's (took good advantage of the bonus), but they should be able to still win games when this happens. They gave up 50/45 shooting in the game though and only forced 9 turnovers on Dallas, Luka alone had more last game. There wasn't enough pressure placed on Burke. In the end it was even the Mavs bench that made the game wide open, not their starters. Defense definitely can't continue like this even if they fix the offense, which they should as long as we don't expect more 4/17 FG from George.
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Post#186 » by esqtvd » Thu Aug 20, 2020 5:59 am

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MartinToVaught wrote:Really? Starting Reggie was putting us in position to win? Could have fooled me with that 15-2 start to the game.


Then you are a fool. Blaming our bad start on 3rd-string fill-in starter Reggie is imbecilic. Regular starter Zubac was garbage and so was PG. Reggie came back and had a decent game. He was not the problem.


Going down 3 to a blowout kills your whole narrative and Reggie playing out of control has been a issue before




Yes, but blaming the 3rd string substitute PG for the loss ignores the facts. 2 regular starters were ass.
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Post#187 » by esqtvd » Thu Aug 20, 2020 6:02 am

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nickhx2 wrote:the reggie factor doesn't matter nearly as much (and isn't nearly as important for the rest of our games) as the PG factor. he's gotta be better for us to win.

Reggie is the low hanging fruit, the easy one to get on, but he's not even close to being the biggest issue. Paul George was the biggest issue. Shamet's passivity on offense also didn't help, you need your floor spacer to be seen as a threat for them to really be effective.

PG didn't have a good game no doubt about it but at the same time Doc is not putting these guys into a position to be successful so far in this series.


They were within 10 points in the 4th quarter. That is in position to win. That's all a coach can do. The rest is up to the players.
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Post#188 » by esqtvd » Thu Aug 20, 2020 6:08 am

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People are calling for Reggie to be benched, Shamet to be benched, Trezz to be benched, well who is going to play with Beverley injured?


:rofl2:


And Lou takes more than his share of abuse, lol. Oh and J-Myke sucked donkeys tonight too. Whos left? Play the Aqua Caliente Clippers!! That's the ticket!
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Post#189 » by Clemenza » Thu Aug 20, 2020 6:08 am

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Post#190 » by TheNewEra » Thu Aug 20, 2020 6:24 am

Terrible gameplan and I hope Ballmer takes notice
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Post#191 » by TheNewEra » Thu Aug 20, 2020 6:29 am

esqtvd wrote:
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People are calling for Reggie to be benched, Shamet to be benched, Trezz to be benched, well who is going to play with Beverley injured?


:rofl2:


And Lou takes more than his share of abuse, lol. Oh and J-Myke sucked donkeys tonight too. Whos left? Play the Aqua Caliente Clippers!! That's the ticket!


McGruder has proven to be serviceable in the bubble enough so not to go with the norm that you know won’t work with Jackson. Trezz playing 20+ minutes when he looks unplayable in the matchup when you have Zu and even Noah for size support. For what you are not getting from Shamet with soft defense and no shooting you might as well push athleticism of Mann or Coffey for defense.

Patterson could be used as a option if you want to spread the floor in bursts if Green is off
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Post#192 » by TheNewEra » Thu Aug 20, 2020 6:31 am

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Perfect response to the issues with Reggie. He simply tries to do way to much. Let the other guards start
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Post#193 » by esqtvd » Thu Aug 20, 2020 6:49 am

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Then you are a fool. Blaming our bad start on 3rd-string fill-in starter Reggie is imbecilic.

Funny how the game tightened up when Lou checked in for him, though. Almost like Reggie shouldn't have been starting.

Regular starter Zubac was garbage

How was Trez any better tonight to deserve more minutes than him? 4-10 from the free throw line, only 3 points and 2 rebounds, and the usual non-existent defense, but you of course won't mention that because it doesn't fit your agenda.


Useless bothering with his mess. PG could of played better but Reggie throws off everything we do being so aggressive without converting.

Notice we got close once Lou came in for Reggie



I'm not propping Reggie except that his final numbers [4-9, 3-5 from 3, 11 points and only 1 TO, and zero plus/minus when 6 Clippers were in the minus] put the lie that he was in any way responsible for this loss. He's the 3rd-string PG forced into a starting role.

This scapegoating is completely in conflict with the actual facts. Superstar PG was awful, Zu and Shamet were non-factors, and J-Myke was a horrendous minus-21. Point the fingers there. That's half the rotation. Reggie was not the problem--and when we start Lou for Bev that has a negative domino effect on the rotation too.

If Pat is gonna miss a lot more time, sure, look at options. But he was held out as a caution, no more than that.
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Post#194 » by TheNewEra » Thu Aug 20, 2020 10:26 am

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Funny how the game tightened up when Lou checked in for him, though. Almost like Reggie shouldn't have been starting.


How was Trez any better tonight to deserve more minutes than him? 4-10 from the free throw line, only 3 points and 2 rebounds, and the usual non-existent defense, but you of course won't mention that because it doesn't fit your agenda.


Useless bothering with his mess. PG could of played better but Reggie throws off everything we do being so aggressive without converting.

Notice we got close once Lou came in for Reggie



I'm not propping Reggie except that his final numbers [4-9, 3-5 from 3, 11 points and only 1 TO, and zero plus/minus when 6 Clippers were in the minus] put the lie that he was in any way responsible for this loss. He's the 3rd-string PG forced into a starting role.

This scapegoating is completely in conflict with the actual facts. Superstar PG was awful, Zu and Shamet were non-factors, and J-Myke was a horrendous minus-21. Point the fingers there. That's half the rotation. Reggie was not the problem--and when we start Lou for Bev that has a negative domino effect on the rotation too.

If Pat is gonna miss a lot more time, sure, look at options. But he was held out as a caution, no more than that.


Reggie doesn’t know his role and part of the issue is with him and coaching not pulling him aside. His numbers were fools gold because anyone watching could see he was horrible on defense and reckless control of the ball led to bad shots.

The starters had a slow start but by the third had the game in striking distance until poor rotations killed them.
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Post#195 » by NickP » Thu Aug 20, 2020 1:44 pm

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Useless bothering with his mess. PG could of played better but Reggie throws off everything we do being so aggressive without converting.

Notice we got close once Lou came in for Reggie



I'm not propping Reggie except that his final numbers [4-9, 3-5 from 3, 11 points and only 1 TO, and zero plus/minus when 6 Clippers were in the minus] put the lie that he was in any way responsible for this loss. He's the 3rd-string PG forced into a starting role.

This scapegoating is completely in conflict with the actual facts. Superstar PG was awful, Zu and Shamet were non-factors, and J-Myke was a horrendous minus-21. Point the fingers there. That's half the rotation. Reggie was not the problem--and when we start Lou for Bev that has a negative domino effect on the rotation too.

If Pat is gonna miss a lot more time, sure, look at options. But he was held out as a caution, no more than that.


Reggie doesn’t know his role and part of the issue is with him and coaching not pulling him aside. His numbers were fools gold because anyone watching could see he was horrible on defense and reckless control of the ball led to bad shots.

The starters had a slow start but by the third had the game in striking distance until poor rotations killed them.


This!
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Post#196 » by NickP » Thu Aug 20, 2020 1:49 pm

Mann has had a better bubble than Sham. Night and day. Carlisle or Pop wouldn't have hesitated to throw Mann on Luka. Luka is punishing our smaller guards. I'm not blaming Reggie for Luka but Reggie kills momentum with bad shots, hogging the ball etc. Even Coffy with his height and athleticism can bother Luka. Maybe use Noah in stretches to bother Boban? Doc simply let Boban abuse us over and over. Finally that idiot sends in Zu? Smfh!
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Post#197 » by MartinToVaught » Thu Aug 20, 2020 4:51 pm

Honestly, the biggest issue with Doc is that he has a script from the beginning of the season that he refuses to ever deviate from except for when injuries or trades require him to. And when he does have to make changes, he often makes the wrong changes.

It doesn't matter what happens on the court or how players perform in games, Doc simply will not move on from his initial preconceived notions of the roster from October. The clearest example of that right now is Zu's minutes. Doc knows how much Zu has improved, he's seen Zu playing well in the bubble, and he also knows Trez isn't ready for the playoffs yet - but he's still gone right back to the same Trez/Zu rotations that were already losing us games even before the bubble. I wouldn't be surprised if this kind of thing rubs players the wrong way. And it makes you question who was actually responsible for Lob City's chemistry issues.
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Post#198 » by NickP » Thu Aug 20, 2020 5:17 pm

MartinToVaught wrote:Honestly, the biggest issue with Doc is that he has a script from the beginning of the season that he refuses to ever deviate from except for when injuries or trades require him to. And when he does have to make changes, he often makes the wrong changes.

It doesn't matter what happens on the court or how players perform in games, Doc simply will not move on from his initial preconceived notions of the roster from October. The clearest example of that right now is Zu's minutes. Doc knows how much Zu has improved, he's seen Zu playing well in the bubble, and he also knows Trez isn't ready for the playoffs yet - but he's still gone right back to the same Trez/Zu rotations that were already losing us games even before the bubble. I wouldn't be surprised if this kind of thing rubs players the wrong way. And it makes you question who was actually responsible for Lob City's chemistry issues.

The question is how would Snyder, Carlisle or Stevens do with the current Clippers roster. Much better than Doc.
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Post#199 » by SK21209 » Thu Aug 20, 2020 5:22 pm

MartinToVaught wrote:Honestly, the biggest issue with Doc is that he has a script from the beginning of the season that he refuses to ever deviate from except for when injuries or trades require him to. And when he does have to make changes, he often makes the wrong changes.

It doesn't matter what happens on the court or how players perform in games, Doc simply will not move on from his initial preconceived notions of the roster from October. The clearest example of that right now is Zu's minutes. Doc knows how much Zu has improved, he's seen Zu playing well in the bubble, and he also knows Trez isn't ready for the playoffs yet - but he's still gone right back to the same Trez/Zu rotations that were already losing us games even before the bubble. I wouldn't be surprised if this kind of thing rubs players the wrong way. And it makes you question who was actually responsible for Lob City's chemistry issues.


I'm personally sick of reading all the quotes from coaches and players talking about how impressed they are with Zu's development only to see zero change in his minutes. Trez is barely ready for a Tuesday night in February regular season game right now, let alone the playoffs. He's not in any kind of shape right now.
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Post#200 » by SK21209 » Thu Aug 20, 2020 5:24 pm

NickP wrote:Mann has had a better bubble than Sham. Night and day. Carlisle or Pop wouldn't have hesitated to throw Mann on Luka. Luka is punishing our smaller guards. I'm not blaming Reggie for Luka but Reggie kills momentum with bad shots, hogging the ball etc. Even Coffy with his height and athleticism can bother Luka. Maybe use Noah in stretches to bother Boban? Doc simply let Boban abuse us over and over. Finally that idiot sends in Zu? Smfh!


I agree that Mann could theoretically fill in for Beverly better than Reggie or Shamet, but in the 20 seconds of play he got to end the first half he fouled Luka as soon as he got the ball while the Mavs were in the bonus. That probably relegated him to the bench for the rest of the series aside from garbage time.

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