Clippers roster, what's next?

[nickhx2]

lonzo or rubio would be pretty neat. just not sure how we can swing a deal for either of them.

definitely not bledsoe and i absolutely loved him as a clipper.

[esqtvd]

It don’t matter what the Clippers do ... it’s hard to see them beating the Bucks.

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I don't see these Bucks trades helping them that much.

They're panicking because they have to do something to try to placate Giannis.

The Clippers are sort of in the same boat. I think Giannis will appreciate the effort. I dunno about Kawhi and PG.

[Captain Ballmer]

Good News: Role Player(Covington) takes 2 first Round Picks, Expiring All-Star(Jrue) takes 3 first rounders and 2 pick Swaps in todays NBA. PG Trade looks fair now.

Bad News: Scroeder-CP3-Rubio-Jrue are the respectable PG candidates that are available 2 days ago. Now we have left with second tier Bledsoe's Hill's, Lonzo's of the world if we even able to address that weak position. No matter who we got, It's 100 percent sure that we don't have top 15 players in guard positions while other contenders have.

[clipperlover]

Jerry West needs to be on the phone smooth talking some quality guys to give up some dollars to come here. There are some players that depending on where they end up could really put some teams over the top. Gallo deciding to go back to Denver or join the Lakers would hurt us a lot because it creates more size for us to overcome.

Paul Millsap and Gordon Hayward are two guys that have made a lot of money and may go for the ring.

I think we absolutely have to make a sign and trade with Harrell. He is the only way we can bring in what we need. I would be down for a deal that moved Harrell and PB to OKC for Rubio and Steven Adams. I think Adams would be a much better fit for us and he has an expiring deal. Rubio's deal is the same length as PB's.

[TucsonClip]

They're panicking because they have to do something to try to placate Giannis.

Gonna have to disagree there. Bogdan and Jrue are certainly upgrades over the Bucks closing time rotation last year. They added two more shot creators with size, one of them being an elite defender to replace Bledsoe (who was consistently benched lated in games).

[MartinToVaught]

Jerry West needs to be on the phone smooth talking some quality guys to give up some dollars to come here.

He can try, but I doubt players are going to be interested in taking a discount for a fringe contender at best, coming off one of the most embarrassing playoff failures ever.

[MartinToVaught]

They're panicking because they have to do something to try to placate Giannis.

Gonna have to disagree there. Bogdan and Jrue are certainly upgrades over the Bucks closing time rotation last year. They added two more shot creators with size, one of them being an elite defender to replace Bledsoe (who was consistently benched lated in games).

Jrue and Bogdan are definitely upgrades, but the problem is that the Bucks still don't have that reliable second star who can make the clutch jump shots that Giannis doesn't have the skillset to make. Middleton isn't quite on that level. They also gave up way too much for Jrue.

I doubt they make these trades without a commitment from Giannis, so that's good for the Bucks, but I don't think they've improved as much as people are claiming.

[TucsonClip]

I dont think the price to attain Hill nor Bledsoe will be high. We have the Pistons 2023 2nd, I believe could fetch Hill. That could be part of a Trez 3 team sign and trade, it also could be a McGruder + DET pick package. Lots of options to pick up one of these PGs, thats without even discussing a Lou deal.

[TucsonClip]

They're panicking because they have to do something to try to placate Giannis.

Gonna have to disagree there. Bogdan and Jrue are certainly upgrades over the Bucks closing time rotation last year. They added two more shot creators with size, one of them being an elite defender to replace Bledsoe (who was consistently benched lated in games).

Jrue and Bogdan are definitely upgrades, but the problem is that the Bucks still don't have that reliable second star who can make the clutch jump shots that Giannis doesn't have the skillset to make. Middleton isn't quite on that level. They also gave up way too much for Jrue.

I doubt they make these trades without a commitment from Giannis, so that's good for the Bucks, but I don't think they've improved as much as people are claiming.

Jrue and Giannis reupping would be the reason why they dealt those picks and that makes it a no brainer. If youre looking for a guy to hit clutch jumpers, you now have Bogdan and Middleton. Enough to win a title? Who knows, but their closing lineup is about as good as anyone's in the league.

[SK21209]

I dont think the price to attain Hill nor Bledsoe will be high. We have the Pistons 2023 2nd, I believe could fetch Hill. That could be part of a Trez 3 team sign and trade, it also could be a McGruder + DET pick package. Lots of options to pick up one of these PGs, thats without even discussing a Lou deal.

I think Hill is about done; he can still hit the 3 but his defense has fallen way off and he was pretty bad in the bubble. Bledsoe can still defend but has been pretty terrible the last few playoff runs now. But I guess beggars can't be choosers. At this point I'd prefer a smaller move for someone like Satoransky or Tyus Jones.

[esqtvd]

Jerry West needs to be on the phone smooth talking some quality guys to give up some dollars to come here. There are some players that depending on where they end up could really put some teams over the top. Gallo deciding to go back to Denver or join the Lakers would hurt us a lot because it creates more size for us to overcome.

Paul Millsap and Gordon Hayward are two guys that have made a lot of money and may go for the ring.

I think we absolutely have to make a sign and trade with Harrell. He is the only way we can bring in what we need. I would be down for a deal that moved Harrell and PB to OKC for Rubio and Steven Adams. I think Adams would be a much better fit for us and he has an expiring deal. Rubio's deal is the same length as PB's.

Kawhi and PG have one foot out the door. I'd want MORE money to sign with the Clippers, not take less.

As for Trezz [and Senior too], they can go wherever they want for free. All the Clippers can get in a S&T is a contract somebody wants to dump.

[SK21209]

If we do end up signing Rondo I'm okay with having Rondo and Bev split minutes at point guard, with some Shamet, Terrence Mann or Kris Dunn thrown in there when Rondo or Bev is inevitably injured.

I might be fine with bringing Trez back as the backup center although I'd prefer someone like Ibaka (which probably won't happen).
Lou is the guy I really hope is traded.

[nickhx2]

If we do end up signing Rondo I'm okay with having Rondo and Bev split minutes at point guard, with some Shamet, Terrence Mann or Kris Dunn thrown in there when Rondo or Bev is inevitably injured.

I might be fine with bringing Trez back as the backup center although I'd prefer someone like Ibaka (which probably won't happen).
Lou is the guy I really hope is traded.

i'm ok with signing rondo, but only if we snag a good 3rd guard, or keep lou, i suppose. but my thought is lou's pretty much the best asset we have so i would like to see him go, as that'd mean we'd have improved the team elsewhere.

like i think if we signed rondo/dunn and traded pb/lou to solidify another spot, i'd accept that.

also, fwiw, i think harrell coming back is non-starter for me. we dumped one trashcan, and now it's time to dump the second. the guy was the team's worst player in the playoffs by far for two seasons in a row, and he'd only be taking time away from zubac. we need a legit backup guy who isn't going to complain about minutes, in addition to not causing issues with kawhi's resting process.

[SK21209]

If we do end up signing Rondo I'm okay with having Rondo and Bev split minutes at point guard, with some Shamet, Terrence Mann or Kris Dunn thrown in there when Rondo or Bev is inevitably injured.

I might be fine with bringing Trez back as the backup center although I'd prefer someone like Ibaka (which probably won't happen).
Lou is the guy I really hope is traded.

i'm ok with signing rondo, but only if we snag a good 3rd guard, or keep lou, i suppose. but my thought is lou's pretty much the best asset we have so i would like to see him go, as that'd mean we'd have improved the team elsewhere.

like i think if we signed rondo/dunn and traded pb/lou to solidify another spot, i'd accept that.

also, fwiw, i think harrell coming back is non-starter for me. we dumped one trashcan, and now it's time to dump the second. the guy was the team's worst player in the playoffs by far for two seasons in a row, and he'd only be taking time away from zubac. we need a legit backup guy who isn't going to complain about minutes, in addition to not causing issues with kawhi's resting process.

Rondo and Lou cannot play a single minute together so in my mind, if Rondo comes Lou has to go. As for Bev, the problem isn't that he's a bad player, its that he's miscast as a playmaker and can't stay healthy. I'm pretty comfortable with Bev being the backup point guard, his weaknesses as a playmaker aren't that important against bench lineups.

You're probably right about Trez. I still find myself thinking that he can work if Lue limits him to 15-18 minutes a game and has him on a very short leash against certain teams, but sometimes you have to get rid of a guy to remove any temptation for the coach to play him too much. My dream scenarios are S&Ts of Trez for Ibaka or Christian Wood, but someone like Baynes is more realistic option. Baynes is a great locker room guy too, that's something we need to be thinking more about this year.

On another note, we really can't afford much Kawhi load management this year. This season will be more of a sprint than prior seasons and there are too many good teams in the West.

[nickhx2]

well i was more thinking you can play one or the other and minimize their minutes together but i generally would not want them to play together, so i'm with you there. easiest thing, though is to get rid of lou: he's just a good asset to move.

i think beverley being a backup is fine, because he can foul like a dumbass and not punish the team as much as he usually does. that said, at his salary and with his general attitude and inability to stay on the court, i'd want to just move him. and he, along with harrell/lou, were the guys who had the biggest gripes with regards to kawhi sitting. this team does not need to have that ongoing noise in a critical season.

i'm actually not too concerned about lue overusing him, at face value. but you know this guy's gonna bitch about not getting enough minutes, and ESPECIALLY once lue shutters him in the playoffs because of his inability to play better defense than a trashcan. we just can't have distractions. absolutely would love to get ibaka and baynes as backups. not sure how we can do it though without ibaka willingly taking a paycut.

i'm ok with kawhi's load management if it's done properly. the guy simply cannot play back to backs. but doc took it way, way too far and was resting other guys too much, with the foregone conclusion they'd have it all figured out by the end of the year. paul george got too much rest when he really didn't need it, for example. i assume things will be better managed overall with lue, esp with PG 1 year removed from surgery.

[Roscoe Sheed]

Jerry West needs to be on the phone smooth talking some quality guys to give up some dollars to come here. There are some players that depending on where they end up could really put some teams over the top. Gallo deciding to go back to Denver or join the Lakers would hurt us a lot because it creates more size for us to overcome.

Paul Millsap and Gordon Hayward are two guys that have made a lot of money and may go for the ring.

I think we absolutely have to make a sign and trade with Harrell. He is the only way we can bring in what we need. I would be down for a deal that moved Harrell and PB to OKC for Rubio and Steven Adams. I think Adams would be a much better fit for us and he has an expiring deal. Rubio's deal is the same length as PB's.

Kawhi and PG have one foot out the door. I'd want MORE money to sign with the Clippers, not take less.

As for Trezz [and Senior too], they can go wherever they want for free. All the Clippers can get in a S&T is a contract somebody wants to dump.

what makes you conclude they have one foot out the door?

I was under the impression that they signed 2 year deals in order to be eligible to sign super-max deals

[MartinToVaught]

Jerry West needs to be on the phone smooth talking some quality guys to give up some dollars to come here. There are some players that depending on where they end up could really put some teams over the top. Gallo deciding to go back to Denver or join the Lakers would hurt us a lot because it creates more size for us to overcome.

Paul Millsap and Gordon Hayward are two guys that have made a lot of money and may go for the ring.

I think we absolutely have to make a sign and trade with Harrell. He is the only way we can bring in what we need. I would be down for a deal that moved Harrell and PB to OKC for Rubio and Steven Adams. I think Adams would be a much better fit for us and he has an expiring deal. Rubio's deal is the same length as PB's.

Kawhi and PG have one foot out the door. I'd want MORE money to sign with the Clippers, not take less.

As for Trezz [and Senior too], they can go wherever they want for free. All the Clippers can get in a S&T is a contract somebody wants to dump.

what makes you conclude they have one foot out the door?

I was under the impression that they signed 2 year deals in order to be eligible to sign super-max deals

Esqtvd is just going full doomer because his favorite coach finally got shown the door. He's a Rivers fan, not a Clippers fan.

That being said, it's by no means a guarantee that they resign here. If we get embarrassed in the playoffs again, I'd be shocked if they didn't leave. The only players who care about the supermax are C-tier stars. The actual brand names value flexibility and ring-chasing over maximum money.

[esqtvd]

Jerry West needs to be on the phone smooth talking some quality guys to give up some dollars to come here. There are some players that depending on where they end up could really put some teams over the top. Gallo deciding to go back to Denver or join the Lakers would hurt us a lot because it creates more size for us to overcome.

Paul Millsap and Gordon Hayward are two guys that have made a lot of money and may go for the ring.

I think we absolutely have to make a sign and trade with Harrell. He is the only way we can bring in what we need. I would be down for a deal that moved Harrell and PB to OKC for Rubio and Steven Adams. I think Adams would be a much better fit for us and he has an expiring deal. Rubio's deal is the same length as PB's.

Kawhi and PG have one foot out the door. I'd want MORE money to sign with the Clippers, not take less.

As for Trezz [and Senior too], they can go wherever they want for free. All the Clippers can get in a S&T is a contract somebody wants to dump.

what makes you conclude they have one foot out the door?

I was under the impression that they signed 2 year deals in order to be eligible to sign super-max deals

Contractually, that Kawhi and PG have one foot out the door is a fact--and the whole NBA knows it. Go or stay, each will make plenty of money regardless. If Kawhi cared about the extra money from a supermax, he'd have signed for more than 2 years in the first place. Instead he chose the flexibility of an opt-out.

It's starting to occur to even the fans here [not to mention the "fans" ] that the Clippers are f*ked. Absent a desperation earthquake move--and acquiring Westbrook is the only one I can see with our cupboard bare--we're "running it back" with less talent than we had in the bubble.

Kawhi and PG turned in the worst Game 7 in NBA history and everybody here positively HATES everyone else on our roster except Zubac. Me, I'm just enjoying the show.

[MartinToVaught]

Me, I'm just enjoying the show.

You aren't "enjoying" anything, you're miserable. You're all in your feelings because the Clippers fired the worst coach in sports history.

[TucsonClip]

I cant see Rondo being a legit option because signing him on a two year deal for anything more than the minimum doesnt really make sense, barring some other fantastic moves. Rondo wouldnt sign a two year minimum deal, so...

Additionally, hes a backup PG. You cant rely on him being your starting PG over the course of the season. Especially with Lou and Bev in the rotation next to him. Ronod as a backup and spot starter works, but thats because you are turning over your backcourt and you have already acquired a starting PG.