Trade Idea Thread II

[nickhx2]

btw i can completely understand someone coming over to the team and making it a turn off to watching games. around the time kobe was considering jumping ship i was pretty sure there wasn't any way i could be a clipper fan again.

even though dmc isn't a guy who would trigger my off switch, i get it. i don't think it's unreasonable at all.

[Wammy Giveaway]

I was against the lance deal and josh. there is a reason these type of players can not stick. you look at howard at Houston and Brandon Jennings and ask yourself will these guys win a championship ever. I do not think so. if the clippers were to trade for dmc I would no longer be a part of that. at some point integrity, character, desire to be respectable, and humble has to be part of the team make up. dmc represents none of those qualities.

I would throw the "desire to be respected" part out of the equation. Respect can only be earned, not given to. Integrity, character and humility, I agree 100%.

You speak of WWE Hall Of Famer Kurt Angle. In his monologues, he would always bring up what he calls his Three I's: Intensity, Integrity and Intelligence. Integrity is about being honest about yourself and accepting responsibility for all your actions. Intelligence is not just about being smart, but knowing when not to be a smart ass. Knowing your limits and knowing yourself after knowing your opponent. Humility is the trait here. Intensity is having the power to be tough, mentally and physically, to overcome any kind of adversity, no matter its shape or size. Never give up.

I will also add this scene from D3: The Mighty Ducks:

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MqB7f9hZaFg[/youtube]

I'll admit, these trade proposals I've pulled from various sources seem farsighted and unfair, but I did this for a reason. Power isn't always the answer. Doc Rivers needs to realize that absolute power corrupts absolutely. Think about my small forward thread where Doc wants a superstar small forward in Kevin Durant, Paul George or Carmelo Anthony. Think about the various articles, videos and discussions about breaking up the Big 3 because they caught fire at the wrong place and time. Think about my 3-1 collapse thread back at the start of the season, how losing a playoff series after being one game away from stepping into the conference finals affected the team's future. Some teams lost franchise star players. Some teams flat out missed the playoffs for a number of years.

The one thing the Clippers have going for them that no team has in this day and age: love.

Love for their franchise altering superstar Blake Griffin.
Blake Griffin's love for his best friend DeAndre Jordan.
Love for Chris Paul for turning the Clippers into a playoff team.
Love for Doc Rivers for guiding the Clippers through the Donald Sterling scandal and mending broken hearts.
Doc's love for his son Austin, and using their father-son relationship to inspire team camaraderie and togetherness.

You have to wonder if Doc disliked the Big 3 Celtics era because of Danny Ainge's farm trades. It gave him a championship, though. But he clearly doesn't want to win the championship that way.

I will continue to post whatever trades exist on the web, real or fictitious. It's my job. But here me out when I say this:

To all the Clipper faithfuls, I am very sorry for what you have gone through. You suffered long and hard for 40 years consisting of wasted draft picks and gruesome injuries behind a horrible owner and even worse human being, while turning fellow lottery teams into title contenders. The ownership swap between John Y. Brown and Irv Levin gave the Celtics Larry Bird in addition to multiple championships. Donald Sterling loaned Dr. Jerry Buss $2.7 million to purchase the Lakers, and got 10 championships because of it. And what did the Clippers get out of all this for helping other teams get better? A revolving door for wash-ups, has-beens and never-wases. You deserve better.

I completely get it if you don't want to trade anybody, if you want to keep the guys you have - the core and the bench - to prove that your team is not a lost cause.

[Ranma]

The Kings and Pelicans have reportedly discussed a trade involving Eric Gordon and Rudy Gay, but the Kings apparently don't want EJ. Maybe we can get involved in the discussions with a 3-way deal. Would the Kings be more interested in Jamal Crawford and pairing DeMarcus Cousins with Josh Smith? Maybe we can also get Darren Collison as well, but that would involved dealing Austin Rivers back to New Orleans, which Doc is unlikely to do.

In any case, I've repurposed my previous trade proposal for Eric Gordon to include the Kings. I'd still hope for a buyout of Joe Johnson but we can't count on that.

Adrian Wojnarowksi, Yahoo! Sports (1/15/16)

Around the West, there hasn’t been so much instability in years. Sacramento and New Orleans have discussed a Rudy Gay trade, but the Kings are unwilling on a deal that would center on Eric Gordon and Alonzo Gee, league sources said. Phoenix has worked on multi-team trades that would unload Markieff Morris, including the Cavaliers as a facilitator in a deal, league sources said. Nevertheless, the Cavs have started to make calls on the market for Timofey Mozgov, who could appeal to Western Conference contenders.

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[nickhx2]

that would be INCREDIBLE for us lol. but really that works? we're allowed to take in 2.1m in extra salary?

[Ranma]

that would be INCREDIBLE for us lol. but really that works? we're allowed to take in 2.1m in extra salary?

I'm sure adjustments can be made if we have to include C.J. Wilcox in exchange for a scrub, but I'd like to see if we can pull it off without having to do that. I tweaked the proposal even further to lessen the overage.




Edit: We also wouldn't need Kendrick Perkins either, so the trade would have to be further adjusted since the Kings and Clippers are at full capacity at the 15-max roster limit while New Orleans has a roster spot to spare.

[Neddy]

boy I got excited when saw the article titled "Cavs looking to trade for backup to Iman Shumpert" and clicked on it thinking we can finally dump Jamal, and the first sentence after the title says "looking for strong defensive wing" fml.

[Neddy]

with all due respect neddy I would not be able to watch dmc period. I am older than most of you guys and I just have to be proud of the product that I give my time and money to. at this time I am just at the limit of what the nba is about. superstars, nba refs, and the divas that have an inflated opinion of themselves have just about ruined this game for me. I love it but I do have a limit.

hey my last post wasn't really directed to you and if you felt slighted, my apologies. and if you are one of the older posters, great! Don Tommy and I have been feeling old by ourselves around here, if you are one of the 40 something or older clipper fans then more power to ya. we've been through a lot with this team.

and I also share the same disdain for NBA, as well as NFL. but not for the divas of the game so much, but the business leadership who changed the game to allow the divas to act out. for the name of family friendly marketing, they banned handchecks, hard fouls, Barkley style-back downs, and completely eliminated enforcers from the game. can you imagine back in the 80s to early 90s if a player acted like a diva on the court, what would happen on the next play to his ass? I miss watching Bill Laimbeers and Robert Parishes getting tangled up, seeing Dennis Rodman shut down Charles Barkley or Magic from even advancing the ball after time outs, smash mouth baskeball if you will. Charles Oakleys of this game are no more. Bill Cartwrights of this game are no more. shooters couldnt just be pretty faced like Curry back in the day, they had to be more rugged like his father Del or built to last like Chuck Person. Reggie Miller was the only pretty faced skinny shooter but he still was 6-7 with nasty, nasty streaks. I miss that NBA. I don't like this PG-13 NBA at all. the refs are queationable at best, NBA replay rules are dumb as hell, the new commish is just another cronie from the last commish who was a crook. but I watch NBA only to enjoy my clippers.

I can't stand to watch a game of basketball that is played in today's NBA unless my clips are on the court. same with football for me. during the last superbowl, I ended up watching NY baseball rivalry documentary about Joe DiMaggio's Yanks and my Jackie Robinson's dodgers duking it out with the boys from Manhattan. in baseball, people who gamble, with or without proof of betting on your own game, if accused, its a black eye. if proven to bet in any form or shape on the game of baseball, even if you didn't bet on your team for or against, you are banned. in NBA or NFL, they promote sites such as Fanduel.com or all the other gambling sites while actually having a ref go to prison who admitted in the courtroom that he altered the outcome of a game for bets, having a victim of homophobic culture who may or maynot have used his bias against certain teams, players, or coaches go without a probe to avoid public perception that may affect the business, hide reports of brain damage and tried to settle for chump change against the retired players who are suffering life altering, and life threatening injuries from the game and many prior attempt to silence the medical professionals who shined light to the subject of chronic traumatic encephalopathy from repeated concussions, using intimidation and shake down tactics to gauge out public money from cities and counties to build a free stadium for their business... christ what other business in America, or anywhere else for that matter, can run a privately owned for-profit business and threaten to leave the city or move to another for building or not building their work place with public fund? can I or any of you can tell your city to build you a new office, or you will take your business elsewhere? all reports prove that having a pro sports franchise in any city actually provides enough jobs or other business opportunities to counter the cost these leagues and their teams demand from their cities, and vast majority of them are bleeding 8, 9 digit tax payers money to cater to them while these business go un-taxed by local governments or at any level for that matter. billions of dollars coming in from a business from facilities that billions of dollars of tax payers money has provided, and they go untaxed.

sorry for my long rant, it's rainng here in Oregon as usual, kids are complaining about bad wifi connections, and we are about to go out to eat while my wife is bugging me to take a shower to get ready so I am going to finish my thoughts by saying, yes I agree with you. the game of basketball/football today have turned into a disgrace, but the divas or whatever antics from the players were always there. just in the past we had ways to work these things out themselves but in the name of the mighty profit, NBA has become too soft, and NFL Not soft enough. okay, Im done.

[Ranma]

Well put, Neddy.

[mattd13]

thank you neddy. it is very encouraging to see others that feel as I do. we all have loved this game for a long time as players, coaches, and fans. I hate what the game has become but after all these years I still love to watch the really good players who want to respect the game. lets hope it will get better. go clips

[og15]

The Kings and Pelicans have reportedly discussed a trade involving Eric Gordon and Rudy Gay, but the Kings apparently don't want EJ. Maybe we can get involved in the discussions with a 3-way deal. Would the Kings be more interested in Jamal Crawford and pairing DeMarcus Cousins with Josh Smith? Maybe we can also get Darren Collison as well, but that would involved dealing Austin Rivers back to New Orleans, which Doc is unlikely to do.

In any case, I've repurposed my previous trade proposal for Eric Gordon to include the Kings. I'd still hope for a buyout of Joe Johnson but we can't count on that.

Adrian Wojnarowksi, Yahoo! Sports (1/15/16)

Around the West, there hasn’t been so much instability in years. Sacramento and New Orleans have discussed a Rudy Gay trade, but the Kings are unwilling on a deal that would center on Eric Gordon and Alonzo Gee, league sources said. Phoenix has worked on multi-team trades that would unload Markieff Morris, including the Cavaliers as a facilitator in a deal, league sources said. Nevertheless, the Cavs have started to make calls on the market for Timofey Mozgov, who could appeal to Western Conference contenders.

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If I'm the Kings, I'd rather have Gordon, don't they want more shooting around DMC and Rondo?

For them the trade is Gay for Jamal, Smith, Stephenson, that just seems very, very dissapointing, lol

[Ranma]

If I'm the Kings, I'd rather have Gordon, don't they want more shooting around DMC and Rondo?

For them the trade is Gay for Jamal, Smith, Stephenson, that just seems very, very dissapointing, lol

Obviously, I would too but who the heck knows what the Kings want under their current leadership? I'm hoping to sell them on Born Ready giving them what Tyreke Evans used to, the flashy game of Jamal Crawford, and the athleticism of Josh Smith. All that and the flexibility of freeing up cap space for the off-season if they think they can throw money at a free agent to convince him to sign in Sacramento. EJ's expiring contract does the same but they apparently aren't interested in him for whatever reason.

We know better but do the Kings? Crawford is supposedly still thought of as a positive impact player for teams around the league. The Kings have to be one of them. Wishful thinking on my part, but I actually have optimism that this could go from daydream to reality.

[nickhx2]

the kings definitely seem like a team that would think jamal is still a star.

[Neddy]

thanks Ranma and Matt, since the last post, kids are well fed, my daughter is practicing piano and my son is upstairs building his latest and greatest lego castle, and as my wife is making tomorrow's lunch for kids, I thought I post something to back up my last post regarding the business nature of the pro sports today, expecially about the NFL.

www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2013/10/how-the-nfl-fleeces-taxpayers/309448/

[Ranma]

True Hoop TV: Proof In The Pudding

Clipper talk begins at 10:55. Won't have any time to excerpt this. If anybody wants to take over, go right ahead.

Thanks, Wammy. Here are links to a 2-part podcast with Dan Woike and Zach Harper discussing the Clippers' win streak, how the sustainability model to team-building applies to the current Clips' squad, and the prospects of trading CP3 among other topics. What troubles me is how Woike, as a person who is around the team a lot, describes the team's lack of urgency in attacking (and wasting) the regular season, which plays up my concerns of not having priorities in order. This is particularly disconcerting when coupled with Doc's approach of having little practices.

Talent has not been the issue, but game plan and rotational depth along with handling of personnel has been. Progress has been made particularly on the defensive side, but it still troubles me that we're lacking in consistent competitive fire when compared to the Spurs, Warriors, and Thunder. Paul Pierce's veteran presence is a positive factor but I'm afraid that we're too reliant on it. Team chemistry is good now but that is usually the case when we're winning. It was different before when Josh Smith was getting playing time and snapping at coaches.

[og15]

Three way trade:

Portland trades: Henderson
Portland gets: Lance

Clippers trade: Lance + 2nd + Wilcox
Clippers get: Henderson + Bass

Lakers trade: Bass
Lakers get: Wilcox + 2nd

Could add another contract for Portland, but the only one that makes sense is Jamal, and not sure that happens.

[Wammy Giveaway]

Disclaimer: Brandon Bass played for Doc Rivers before.

Shouldn't the Clippers be Griffin's team instead of Doc's? I feel that anytime Doc gets one of his former Celtic players back, it brings the notion that it's his team. It's one thing to lead the team, it's another to bring players to remind the roster that it's Doc's team.

[QRich3]

Does Bass really give us something that Josh doesn't at this point? I wouldn't waste a 2nd in him, much less if we're talking the potential Nets 2nd which could be as valuable as a late 1st. Bass was a good idea two years ago, now I'm not sure he's gonna add anything even if he came for free.

Henderson would be cool, not sure the Blazers are gonna give him away just for dead salary though. I would try to dump Crawford on them too, since they're gonna try to get dead salary at the deadline to reach the salary floor. Or maybe wait to see if they're yet to reach the floor on draft day, they'd save a whole lot more money if they did the trade then instead of the trade deadline, so maybe they're willing to give an asset for the right to waive Lance's option but still have him count against the cap this year.

I'd still keep an eye in how the Pelicans are doing, they might be all but out of the playoff race at the deadline, if they wanted to dump EJ's salary without having to take anything back we could work a three way with the Blazers where we send Lance + Jamal to them, the Pelicans send EJ to us, and we send a small asset to either one of them. Pels save a lot of money, Blazers save about a million more than if they took EJ (or Lee, or Hibbert) outright, and we get a good shooting wing that all of the fanbase loves.

[nickhx2]

favorite clippers:

tie for 1. eric piatkowski and gordon
tie for 2. bledsoe, jj, aldrich

lance and jamal for eric would be a god damn dream. i can't think of too many assets they might like to pick up for him since other teams could ostensibly offer more, but if they don't plan on resigning him i'd have no issues giving them wilcox/dawson/nets pick/etc.

[QRich3]

I don't know, which team do you really see giving a 1st or a decent prospect for EJ at the deadline? with him being an overpaid expiring about to enter FA, in the offseason where the most teams will have max capspace ever, too. If NO is still trying to make a playoff push then nothing, they'll hold on to him. But if they're clearly out of it and ready to tank? they save about half of his salary (~$8M) if they trade him for nothing to Portland, and Portland saves a million if they trade him to us. It'd then be a question of can we beat any lowball offers they get other than ours. Us looking like we'll get the Brooklyn pick would help.

Not the most likely thing, but not impossible.

[nickhx2]

off the top of my head i definitely can't say. i just generally assume there's likely something more appetizing than a package centered around cj wilcox and a second round pick.

but i think you make a good point in that absorbing his contract is definitely not as easy as it sounds, though it's definitely worth it to some teams if they can make it happen.