Trade Idea Thread II

[og15]

Does Bass really give us something that Josh doesn't at this point? I wouldn't waste a 2nd in him, much less if we're talking the potential Nets 2nd which could be as valuable as a late 1st. Bass was a good idea two years ago, now I'm not sure he's gonna add anything even if he came for free.

Henderson would be cool, not sure the Blazers are gonna give him away just for dead salary though. I would try to dump Crawford on them too, since they're gonna try to get dead salary at the deadline to reach the salary floor. Or maybe wait to see if they're yet to reach the floor on draft day, they'd save a whole lot more money if they did the trade then instead of the trade deadline, so maybe they're willing to give an asset for the right to waive Lance's option but still have him count against the cap this year.

I'd still keep an eye in how the Pelicans are doing, they might be all but out of the playoff race at the deadline, if they wanted to dump EJ's salary without having to take anything back we could work a three way with the Blazers where we send Lance + Jamal to them, the Pelicans send EJ to us, and we send a small asset to either one of them. Pels save a lot of money, Blazers save about a million more than if they took EJ (or Lee, or Hibbert) outright, and we get a good shooting wing that all of the fanbase loves.

I like the Bass/Aldrich pairing over the Smith/Aldrich pairing that Doc doesn't want to use because Bass can actually shoot, pretty well too, and Bass also defends well and is a higher IQ player. I'm not sold on Doc actually pairing Smith and Aldrich together, and that bench lineup is still struggling massively with rebounding since all the guys out of position aren't even good rebounders at their natural positions.

I was thinking more of a 2017 2nd, since there is still a chance that the Raptors overtake the Clippers and this years 2nd becomes a very nice pick, and if that doesn't happen, Clippers have no second anyways.

If it was up to me I would try to dump Crawford also, but do you guys think Doc is willing to do that?

With the idea you proposed, it could be:

Clippers out: Lance + Crawford
Clippers in: Gordon

Blazers out: Henderson
Blazers in: Lance + Crawford

Pelicans out: Gordon
Pelicans in: Henderson

Portland needs to send someone out since their roster is already at 15, so now they'll only have to waive one player, probably something else goes out to sweeten it for Portland. New Orleans is essentially doing it for tax savings.

[nickhx2]

nah. if doc wasn't willing to trade him in the offseason besides the obvious poor fit, wasn't willing to bench him after his atrocious start this season, and is going back to playing jamal in defensive crunch time possessions, a trade isn't happening imo.

what's really terrifying me is i think he'll get re-signed next season too.

[QRich3]

With the idea you proposed, it could be:

Clippers out: Lance + Crawford
Clippers in: Gordon

Blazers out: Henderson
Blazers in: Lance + Crawford

Pelicans out: Gordon
Pelicans in: Henderson

Portland needs to send someone out since their roster is already at 15, so now they'll only have to waive one player, probably something else goes out to sweeten it for Portland. New Orleans is essentially doing it for tax savings.

But if Henderson's in the deal then the Blazers have no incentive to add us as a 3rd team. They need about $13.6M to reach the salary floor, and in that deal they'd be adding about $8.7M, so they'd still be short $5M.

The reason we can offer them a more appealing deal with Lance + Jamal's expirings is they add up to $14.7M, just the right amount to reach exactly the floor if they send a minimum contract out. As opposed to them trading for one of the available expirings (Lee, Hibbert, EJ himself maybe), who all make over $15M and would leave them about a million over the floor for a guy they're likely to buy out.

If you change Henderson by Frazier in that deal, the Blazers reach exactly the salary floor, the Pelicans save $14M off their cap (assuming they tank and don't want any more veterans this season) and get wahtever minor assets we can send (Brooklyn pick, another 2nd, Wilcox, Dawson), and we get a better rotation player than Jamal with his bird rights.

nah. if doc wasn't willing to trade him in the offseason besides the obvious poor fit, wasn't willing to bench him after his atrocious start this season, and is going back to playing jamal in defensive crunch time possessions, a trade isn't happening imo.

what's really terrifying me is i think he'll get re-signed next season too.

Not to get into the whole Doc debate again, but he does not play him in defensive possessions really, he always subs him out in crunch defensive possessions when he has the chance, and the end of yesterday's game's regulation time is the perfect example.

He was very much trying to deal him last offseason, he basically said so several times with no comment type of answers. But if all you get offered is a worse contract I get why he won't do it. If we just assume Doc's never gonna make any good move it kind of defeats the purpose of any discussion we can have here.

The thought of re-signing him is pretty terrifying though.

[nickhx2]

With the idea you proposed, it could be:

Clippers out: Lance + Crawford
Clippers in: Gordon

Blazers out: Henderson
Blazers in: Lance + Crawford

Pelicans out: Gordon
Pelicans in: Henderson

Portland needs to send someone out since their roster is already at 15, so now they'll only have to waive one player, probably something else goes out to sweeten it for Portland. New Orleans is essentially doing it for tax savings.

But if Henderson's in the deal then the Blazers have no incentive to add us as a 3rd team. They need about $13.6M to reach the salary floor, and in that deal they'd be adding about $8.7M, so they'd still be short $5M.

The reason we can offer them a more appealing deal with Lance + Jamal's expirings is they add up to $14.7M, just the right amount to reach exactly the floor if they send a minimum contract out. As opposed to them trading for one of the available expirings (Lee, Hibbert, EJ himself maybe), who all make over $15M and would leave them about a million over the floor for a guy they're likely to buy out.

If you change Henderson by Frazier in that deal, the Blazers reach exactly the salary floor, the Pelicans save $14M off their cap (assuming they tank and don't want any more veterans this season) and get wahtever minor assets we can send (Brooklyn pick, another 2nd, Wilcox, Dawson), and we get a better rotation player than Jamal with his bird rights.

nah. if doc wasn't willing to trade him in the offseason besides the obvious poor fit, wasn't willing to bench him after his atrocious start this season, and is going back to playing jamal in defensive crunch time possessions, a trade isn't happening imo.

what's really terrifying me is i think he'll get re-signed next season too.

Not to get into the whole Doc debate again, but he does not play him in defensive possessions really, he always subs him out in crunch defensive possessions when he has the chance, and the end of yesterday's game's regulation time is the perfect example.

He was very much trying to deal him last offseason, he basically said so several times with no comment type of answers. But if all you get offered is a worse contract I get why he won't do it. If we just assume Doc's never gonna make any good move it kind of defeats the purpose of any discussion we can have here.

The thought of re-signing him is pretty terrifying though.

Well yeah i know he was trying. But at a certain point the switch turned off and he said he wasn't going to trade him anymore. To me it's the same thing and we're just splitting hairs otherwise but you are totally correct in that at first he looked to move him.

I don't think doc is incapable of making good moves as a whole. I just think that when it comes to crawford, prior evidence would indicate to me that he values him too much to move him as is.

[QRich3]

We don't know what kind of offers he's getting, but I doubt it's anything to make him overvalued. I suggested several times trading him for Nick Young and most people here were against it. I doubt he's gotten much better offers than that. He overplays him but that's not the same as overvaluing him.

[og15]

With the idea you proposed, it could be:

Clippers out: Lance + Crawford
Clippers in: Gordon

Blazers out: Henderson
Blazers in: Lance + Crawford

Pelicans out: Gordon
Pelicans in: Henderson

Portland needs to send someone out since their roster is already at 15, so now they'll only have to waive one player, probably something else goes out to sweeten it for Portland. New Orleans is essentially doing it for tax savings.

But if Henderson's in the deal then the Blazers have no incentive to add us as a 3rd team. They need about $13.6M to reach the salary floor, and in that deal they'd be adding about $8.7M, so they'd still be short $5M.

The reason we can offer them a more appealing deal with Lance + Jamal's expirings is they add up to $14.7M, just the right amount to reach exactly the floor if they send a minimum contract out. As opposed to them trading for one of the available expirings (Lee, Hibbert, EJ himself maybe), who all make over $15M and would leave them about a million over the floor for a guy they're likely to buy out.

If you change Henderson by Frazier in that deal, the Blazers reach exactly the salary floor, the Pelicans save $14M off their cap (assuming they tank and don't want any more veterans this season) and get wahtever minor assets we can send (Brooklyn pick, another 2nd, Wilcox, Dawson), and we get a better rotation player than Jamal with his bird rights.

nah. if doc wasn't willing to trade him in the offseason besides the obvious poor fit, wasn't willing to bench him after his atrocious start this season, and is going back to playing jamal in defensive crunch time possessions, a trade isn't happening imo.

what's really terrifying me is i think he'll get re-signed next season too.

Not to get into the whole Doc debate again, but he does not play him in defensive possessions really, he always subs him out in crunch defensive possessions when he has the chance, and the end of yesterday's game's regulation time is the perfect example.

He was very much trying to deal him last offseason, he basically said so several times with no comment type of answers. But if all you get offered is a worse contract I get why he won't do it. If we just assume Doc's never gonna make any good move it kind of defeats the purpose of any discussion we can have here.

The thought of re-signing him is pretty terrifying though.

Yea that would make more sense for Portland to get to the floor.

In terms of EJ, anyone know what has happened to him the past two seasons that has caused him to finish at the basket like he's Brandon Jennings? First 6 seasons, 60.2% inside 3 feet, that's including his first 115 games in New Orleans where he shot 58% at the rim, but these past two seasons, his 3PT shooting takes a nice leap, but then his finishing at the rim goes down to 50%. Last season it was actually a miserable 46%. I get that he's attempting fewer FG's at the basket, he fell from 30.8% of FGA in 13-14 to 19.9 and 22.0% of his FGA the last two seasons, but I wouldn't expect his effectiveness to also drop.

Is it an injury avoidance thing?

[nickhx2]

well, so much for trading back for eric.

out indefinitely with a broken finger. NO will definitely be more likely to tank. if we're lucky they decide to tank, they make a trade with us, and he comes back quickly.

but that is for sure a lot of wishful thinking.

[Ranma]

If I'm the Kings, I'd rather have Gordon, don't they want more shooting around DMC and Rondo?

For them the trade is Gay for Jamal, Smith, Stephenson, that just seems very, very dissapointing, lol

Apparently, you're right about the Kings wanting more shooting around Boogie and Rondo, but according to recent reports cited by Jason Jones of the Sacramento Bee, the Kings are interested in pending UFA Ryan Anderson and not Eric Gordon as was also previously reported by Adrian Wojnarowski.

I like the Bass/Aldrich pairing over the Smith/Aldrich pairing that Doc doesn't want to use because Bass can actually shoot, pretty well too, and Bass also defends well and is a higher IQ player. I'm not sold on Doc actually pairing Smith and Aldrich together, and that bench lineup is still struggling massively with rebounding since all the guys out of position aren't even good rebounders at their natural positions.

Steve Kyler of BasketballInsiders.com is under the impression that the Pelicans would like to re-sign Anderson, but given the rising cap (and corresponding salary demands), it seems like an unrealistic expectation. Kyler goes on to cite sources within the Pelicans organization that it's resigned to eventually trading Ryan Anderson but will only do so if it benefits the team. Kyler also thinks the Lakers are expected to move Brandon Bass by the deadline, so your trade scenarios for him are reasonable pursuits.

well, so much for trading back for eric.

out indefinitely with a broken finger. NO will definitely be more likely to tank. if we're lucky they decide to tank, they make a trade with us, and he comes back quickly.

but that is for sure a lot of wishful thinking.

In terms of EJ, anyone know what has happened to him the past two seasons that has caused him to finish at the basket like he's Brandon Jennings? First 6 seasons, 60.2% inside 3 feet, that's including his first 115 games in New Orleans where he shot 58% at the rim, but these past two seasons, his 3PT shooting takes a nice leap, but then his finishing at the rim goes down to 50%. Last season it was actually a miserable 46%. I get that he's attempting fewer FG's at the basket, he fell from 30.8% of FGA in 13-14 to 19.9 and 22.0% of his FGA the last two seasons, but I wouldn't expect his effectiveness to also drop.

Is it an injury avoidance thing?

The Clippers are supposedly also linked to Rudy Gay. As I mentioned in the other thread, I'm not particularly up for a pursuit of him at this point in his career. However, as I mentioned before and og noted, Eric Gordon is not the same player he was before when he wore a Clippers uniform and he's been afflicted with similar deterioration in his shooting efficiency as well as also shying away from drives to the rim, but that seems to apply to him to a lesser extent than most other players. EJ has always had to deal with abnormal tightness in his muscles where he constantly had to pay extra attention to stretching them out, so his particular physical condition may require that he take such measures in being more hesitant to avoid injuries, especially since he's been dealing with ailments throughout his career.

Speaking of injuries, as nick noted, EJ just fractured his right ring finger. Despite that and also because of it, I'm more hopeful that we will trade for him since his trade value is now reduced and, the longer the Pelicans play without him, the more likely New Orleans will be throwing in the towel sooner rather than holding out hope for a playoff spot.

Speaking of postseason positioning, both the Kings and Trailblazers are in a neck-and-neck battle for final playoff spots in the Western Conference, which is why it seems a little puzzling to me that they're willing to deal Rudy Gay because it is unlikely that he'll bring in a better player that will help their postseason chances. In fact, Ric Bucher in a recent Bleacher Report video mentioned that a GM for another team sarcastically called the Kings' pursuit of trade targets as "looking for all the big names with no games". Hopefully, that applies to the likes of Jamal Crawford, Josh Smith, and Lance Stephenson. Crawford, in particular may appeal with the Kings' purported concern with depth at SG. Again, Bucher goes on to say in the same video that the Clippers are looking to trade both Stephenson and Smith, who aren't happy with their current roles on the team. This is obviously no surprise as we've seen multiple reports of Doc shopping the two as well as Crawford and C.J. Wilcox earlier this season.

EJ remains my primary trade-deadline target with Joe Johnson a hopeful post-deadline buyout possibility given that his contract is practically untradeable at this point. I also like QRich's idea of looking into Portland's desire to reach the salary floor, but given the Blazers' dogfight to make the postseason, I'm not sure how much of a priority that is for them right now.

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Jason Jones, Sacramento Bee (1/14/16)

Gay has been linked to several teams in rumors during the season, the latest being the Kings reaching out to New Orleans for forward Ryan Anderson, according to Sheridan Hoops.

Gay also has been linked to Chicago and the Los Angeles Clippers.

A year ago, Gay was seen as just a peg below DeMarcus Cousins in terms of being untradeable. Gay has signed a three-year, $40 million extension and was a favorite of principal owner Vivek Ranadive.

A lot has changed since then. Coach George Karl’s system has been a difficult transition for the 6-foot-8 Gay, who is playing more power forward than he has in his career.
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The Kings have had concerns about depth at shooting guard since the offseason. The team tried to sign Wesley Matthews as a free agent. Matthews chose Dallas, and the Kings settled on Marco Belinelli, who comes off the bench behind Ben McLemore.

Kings notes: Rudy Gay Unfazed by Latest Trade Rumors

Adrian Wojnarowksi, Yahoo! Sports (1/15/16)

Around the West, there hasn’t been so much instability in years. Sacramento and New Orleans have discussed a Rudy Gay trade, but the Kings are unwilling on a deal that would center on Eric Gordon and Alonzo Gee, league sources said. Phoenix has worked on multi-team trades that would unload Markieff Morris, including the Cavaliers as a facilitator in a deal, league sources said. Nevertheless, the Cavs have started to make calls on the market for Timofey Mozgov, who could appeal to Western Conference contenders.

Spurs’ Evolution Includes Same Brilliant Level of Dominance

Steve Kyler, BasketballInsiders.com (1/19/16)

For as much press as New Orleans Pelicans forward Ryan Anderson gets about his future, the point that most miss in talking about trade rumors and his free agency is that – if all things were equal – the Pelicans would like to keep Anderson long-term. The problem is the ballooning salary cap is likely going to price him out of the Pelicans’ range for the role they want him to play.
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Pelicans sources admitted that moving Anderson was likely to happen just because of the business of the situation, but cautioned that New Orleans wouldn’t do a bad deal just to make a trade and that unless an offer was meaningful to them, they may stay the course, finish out the season and see what happens in free agency.

The Pelicans do hold Anderson’ Bird Rights and could exceed the salary cap to keep him. Anderson’s July cap hold is $12.75 million.
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The real question is will Johnson opt to leave some of his guaranteed cash on the table if he is not moved in order to gain his release via a buyout. Today, his side says absolutely not. However, there is a sense that once the deadline passes, that stance could change.
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The player that’s more likely to be moved is forward Brandon Bass. The Lakers tried Bass on at a low dollar amount hoping he could contribute and be something of a tutor for forward Julius Randle. With the Lakers going nowhere fast, Bass is one of the guys the front office is expected to move by the deadline.

NBA PM: The Trade Deadline is Nearing

[Ranma]

well, so much for trading back for eric.

out indefinitely with a broken finger. NO will definitely be more likely to tank. if we're lucky they decide to tank, they make a trade with us, and he comes back quickly.

but that is for sure a lot of wishful thinking.

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[Sofia]

If we are dumping Smith, would we do Crawford for Hickson?

[Ranma]

My latest proposed 3-way trade scenario gets the Kings Ryan Anderson and the "big names with no games" they're supposedly pursuing, plus, the Pelicans get Gay while EJ makes his way back to the Clippers along with former Doc favorite Kendrick Perkins. Yes, I still have Eric Gordon on the brain despite his recent injury.

The Pelicans get cost certainty in two contributors locked into multi-year deals in Gay and Koufos with Butler providing veteran presence. The Kings get Anderson to stretch the defense as a perimeter threat and Crawford for SG depth. Maybe George Karl wants to see if he can turn Smith into Shawn Kemp lite. Similarly, Stephenson has a lot of former King Tyreke Evans in him. Sacramento gets all this in the form of expiring contracts, so ownership can further indulge in its delusion of being players in free agency this summer as well.

If we are dumping Smith, would we do Crawford for Hickson?

I think most any of us will take almost anything for Crawford, but I'd like to think we can do better than Hickson. He doesn't bring much from the center position and hasn't been the same player when he used to have sporadically big performances. He's also another poor free-throw shooter just like Josh Smith (and DJ); Jamal at least is great at the charity stripe. With Doc's hesitancy to pull the trigger so far, I don't think he'd be inclined to make such a trade and I'd have to agree with him in this instance.

[QRich3]

Yeah I think Hickson might be one of the few players in the league I wouldn't trade Jamal for, contracts being equal. He's the same kind of black hole on defense (only he's a big so it hurts you more), same kind of ball stopping chucker, and he'll even hurt your team rebounding by trying too hard to steal rebounds from teammates. Like Lance does, but even more exaggerated.

As for the Kings trade, if the premise of any trade is "maybe they're stupid and overvalue what we offer", that trade is always wishful thinking and not realistic. I get that we don't have many trading options and it's tempting to think like that (I do it on the regular too), but that's how guys end up coming here asking if their expiring crap can get them Blake of Paul cause surely we need to reboot our treadmill team

[Wammy Giveaway]

Ranma, do you think Doc will only pull a trade if the player shares a direction connection with the franchise or with Doc himself? I get that Doc prefers continuity and chemistry, but Doc's view of this seems more personal than strategical.

We already know about the Doc-Pierce connection and how much Doc valued Pierce for the sake of his coaching status, but this trade to bring Gordon back is a little different. This was a Clipper pick drafted by Neil Olshey used in the secondary package for Chris Paul after David Stern vetoed the Laker offer. If Doc gets Gordon, it would have meant the Clippers made a huge mistake when they initially traded him, and that Eric Bledsoe should have taken his place. It also sends a sign that the Clippers are more of a family-knit team as opposed to a basketball team. The Spurs value character and sportsmanship over talent (even though talent is also a factor for San Antonio). The Big 3 Celtics was about uniting three Hall Of Famers. The Lakers just want the best of the best by any means necessary. As you saw earlier in this post, I made the claim that the Clippers want to win with love, friendship, chemistry, family values and Captain Planet heart. If they trade somebody they truly love like Blake Griffin or Eric Gordon, the front office would feel devastated and think they'd never make the Finals, even if those trades actually improved their chances at going deep in the playoffs.

(When I say Captain Planet heart, I mean when the five players just click together, a spiritual six man would come down and make strange but miraculous things happen. Think of Disney's Angels In The Outfield with Christopher Lloyd and his angelic force putting the touches on the then California Angels. A real life example is the Divine Interception that happened in the Oakland Raiders game of 2011)

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ir1zhzbVjsM[/youtube]

Can the Clippers win a title on the backs of love, friendship, chemistry, family values and Captain Planet heart alone besides the usual basketball stuff?

[og15]

Agreed about Hickson, I almost threw up reading his name. At least if a perimeter player is bad on defense, while it still hurts, you can cover for it. A big who is attrocious on defense though, that just kills you.

[Wammy Giveaway]

https://soundcloud.com/the-bill-simmons-podcast/ep-53-bills-nba-all-star-ballot-with-chris-ryan

(Fast forward to 1:14:00)

A full Clipper discussion on a trade proposal: Blake Griffin to the Miami Heat for superstar/Team USA teammate Chris Bosh and 1st round draft pick Justice Winslow. They also talk about J.J. Redick to the All Star Game at 1:11:48. Also, DJ just shouldn't be in the All Star Game if they intend on playing the Hack-A-Shaq game for luls.

[Ranma]

Ranma, do you think Doc will only pull a trade if the player shares a direction connection with the franchise or with Doc himself? I get that Doc prefers continuity and chemistry, but Doc's view of this seems more personal than strategical.

I think we're all well aware of Doc's tendency to trade for or sign players he's either personally familiar with or those who have performed well against his teams. I'd like to think he's learned from it, but I suspect he's more comfortable with guys that have impressed him when he's seen them first-hand. Having said that, I hope that input from Gary Sacks and maybe even from BG and CP would help in evaluating how much of a fit EJ would be, but given the fragile nature of trade talks about players, particularly with Jamal Crawford, I doubt Doc and his cronies would solicit advice from our players. Sacks doesn't seem to have much influence in the front office during the Doc regime, but given that he does a lot of the background work, I'm sure he can present Doc with suggestions on players to be considered albeit to a lesser extent than the more favored and familiar members of Doc's personnel evaluation team.

I don't see how trading Jamal Crawford and two players who don't play for Eric Gordon would constitute an admission that dealing him away was a mistake nevermind a huge one. I was not a fan of what we gave up in the CP3 trade at the time because EJ was an established and young star SG, the Minnesota draft pick was anticipated to be in the top 5 with a likelihood of being the 2nd overall selection in the 2012 draft, and Al-Farouq Aminu was recently the 8th overall pick in the 2010 draft and still viewed as having upside with this rebounding and work-in-progress 3-point shooting. Chris Kaman was an expiring deal but he was still an offensively productive center even as he was becoming more perimeter oriented. This was such a better package for a rebuilding team up for sale, that it was laughable that the GM even considered the Lakers offer. I didn't want to give up Gordon (admittedly preferred including Eric Bledsoe instead) but I was absolutely opposed to giving up the Minnesota pick as well since our offer was better than anything else presented.

In hindsight, the deal has been a clear win for the Clippers. With Gordon's subsequent injuries, Bledsoe was the better asset to keep; Doc just should have gotten more in the eventual trade of Bledsoe given how desirable a commodity he was at the time, particularly with the Orlando Magic in hot pursuit. David Kahn's priority to actually compete in the short-term with his job on the line positioned the T-Wolves away from their usual place at the bottom of the standings with corresponding reduced odds in the lottery. The projected 2nd overall pick eventually became 10th overall. Aminu, along with both Gordon and Kaman, didn't take too well to being traded to a team in limbo and lacking in direction, which explained his lack of motivation and stalled progress.

Expectations for Gordon are different now than what they were before we traded him where they have significantly been lowered, so trading to get him back doesn't at all indicate that it was a mistake that has to be admitted to. His contract demands will likely not keep him beyond this season, but EJ would certainly help us more than Jamal Crawford, Josh Smith, and Lance Stephenson would in the postseason assuming he fully recovers from the fracture in his right ring finger.

[QRich3]

Reading on the GB about Tyson Chandler's recent productivity and how he always saw himself beating the Lakers even though he was in So Cal (though he stops short of being a Clippers fan), makes me think if maybe trading Lance+Jamal for him might not be such a bad idea, if nothing else good is on the table.

He can probably be had for free like that, and he's still a productive two way player when healthy . He can be a great back up C or DJ insurance. The times he's healthy he might even get a lot of DJ's playing time down the stretch.

Downside is he surely will spend a lot time being injured, he absolutely will be a bad contract at the end of his deal, and he will cut into our capspace in 2017, or in 2018 for a possible run at Paul George. And we have Cole who is one of the few reserves playing well too, though he's still a worse player that Chandler.

[mattd13]

at this point I believe doc is clueless.

[BlzMwt]

Reading on the GB about Tyson Chandler's recent productivity and how he always saw himself beating the Lakers even though he was in So Cal (though he stops short of being a Clippers fan), makes me think if maybe trading Lance+Jamal for him might not be such a bad idea, if nothing else good is on the table.

would love to have chandler. Could be mutually beneficial. Him coming off the bench and playing less minutes could help him be less injury prone + be a great backup big who can actually hit free throws and not come in and be an instant defensive liability (ryan hollins)

But you think phoenix would do this purely for the benefit of cap relief?

[QRich3]

At this point they have to, don't they? they're fully tanking, committed to play the young guys, and a week ago he was playing about 15MPG for that very reason. Even with his big games last week, he's averaging just 23 minutes a night for the season. And I doubt they get any other offer of an expiring, since all of the teams that are in win-now mode have either their C position set or no expirings they can give.