Trade Idea Thread II

[Quake Griffin]

Yahoo! Sports: Warriors Serious Threat To Sign Kevin Durant

Outside of those well-known suitors – Washington, Houston and Miami – there’s another California team determined to make a bid for Durant, league sources tell The Vertical: The Los Angeles Clippers. If the opportunity comes to move Blake Griffin and replace him with Durant, the Clippers won’t hesitate, sources said.

Trading Griffin for Durant may be the only way to prevent the Warriors from becoming the second coming of the 1959-68 8-time champion Bill Russell Celtics.

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[Quake Griffin]

Warriors certainly would be formidable with all those shooters, but also would have no bench. Suppose it wouldn't matter with those guys on the floor and able to be staggered.

Regarding the Clippers, I think a sign and trade of Blake for Durant is a no-brainer. Durant is the perfect fit next to DJ, Redick and CP3. He can fill our hole at the 3 and also play the 4 next to DJ. I'd do that deal in a heartbeat, assuming his health checks out.

absolute NO BRAINER.

Durant does drive bys on twitter….he doesn't actually punch people IRL.

Think we could get anything else out of them? A pick?
I know I might be but hell, you're either gonna lose him for nothing or get Griffin back by giving up a late 1st rounder.

[og15]

Well obviously if Durant became available for Blake, you do it. I love Blake, but Durant is the better player and it opens the Clippers up to some killer small ball possibilities with Durant at the 4, not to mention he's a great fit.

For OKC though it's also pretty killer, so I wouldn't want to match up with a front court of Griffin / Ibaka. I would definitely start those two and that's a nice combo.

That's obviously the kind of deal that no Clippers fan would be against now that Durant has returned healthy and is back to form, but that would require him wanting to leave of course.

[nickhx2]

mmm, well it's all a leverage game, i would think. but many different levels.

if okc KNOWS la cannot sign him outright without trading blake or dj (and let's say they want blake only) then they can just try to reduce the cost to just kd. but then clips might just say "go screw yourselves and risk losing kd for nothing then" which might force them to pay up a bit. but if okc thinks LA has their mind set on kd and cannot live another second without him, there probably wouldn't be extras.

to me it just depends on which team seems more desperate at the time. but i'm no nba GM.

[og15]

I don't think Blake can get there ever really. Derrick Favors has a 7'4 wingspan and a 9'2 standing reach. He has the length of a C while Blake has the length of a SF, 6'11 wingspan, 8'9 standing reach. Blake hands up is playing half a foot below Favors already...

Watching the development of Rodney Hood, I know a lot of us wanted him in the 2014 draft, but we kind of knew he wouldn't make it to the Clippers spot which he didn't. It would have been really nice if we had figured out a way to move up and get him though.

I don't believe Doc would do it, but like I've said many times before, DJ for Horford+ is very tempting.

Blake for Favors and a pick?

It's not unfair, it's reasonable, but Utah is not going to be able to retain Blake and he has an opt out after next season. I don't think they'll be confident enough in their ability to retain him, and Favors is good anyways, him and Gobert are a very nice defensive pairing.

[og15]

mmm, well it's all a leverage game, i would think. but many different levels.

if okc KNOWS la cannot sign him outright without trading blake or dj (and let's say they want blake only) then they can just try to reduce the cost to just kd. but then clips might just say "go screw yourselves and risk losing kd for nothing then" which might force them to pay up a bit. but if okc thinks LA has their mind set on kd and cannot live another second without him, there probably wouldn't be extras.

to me it just depends on which team seems more desperate at the time. but i'm no nba GM.

Clippers have Blake no matter what though. This isn't a case where Clippers have no superstar, so if the Thunder want more, then the Clippers just say, okay, thanks for playing. For the Clippers it should be a case where if it is available, you make a move, but if not, then whatever, Blake Griffin is a really good player too.

[TucsonClip]

Warriors certainly would be formidable with all those shooters, but also would have no bench. Suppose it wouldn't matter with those guys on the floor and able to be staggered.

Regarding the Clippers, I think a sign and trade of Blake for Durant is a no-brainer. Durant is the perfect fit next to DJ, Redick and CP3. He can fill our hole at the 3 and also play the 4 next to DJ. I'd do that deal in a heartbeat, assuming his health checks out.

absolute NO BRAINER.

Durant does drive bys on twitter….he doesn't actually punch people IRL.

Think we could get anything else out of them? A pick?
I know I might be but hell, you're either gonna lose him for nothing or get Griffin back by giving up a late 1st rounder.

Dont see how we get anything else from them. A 1 for 1 swap nearly works, especially because they know this is the only way we get Durant. Honestly, I would expect them to ask for a pick from us with Blake's ETO pending after this season, plus a contract to add up to the 125% + $100k. Could also make sense in another year...

Durant signs a 1+1 and that allows both teams to sign and trade max deals back to each other.

[QRich3]

I mean, if it came to that (and I don't think Durant's suddenly be hell bent on coming here), we can deal DJ to some random team for a good lottery pick or two + capspace to sign Durant, and still keep Blake. Just sayin

[nickhx2]

yeah i was thinking that too. kind of the way orlando gifted us maggette + picks so they could sign grant hill.

[nickhx2]

btw how sick would you feel if you were dallas/NY/bucks/etc. basically any team that would have loved to have him. only for him to be shipped out for picks right in front of you lol.

free deandre jordans being tossed about but no cap space to catch one.

[og15]

I mean, if it came to that (and I don't think Durant's suddenly be hell bent on coming here), we can deal DJ to some random team for a good lottery pick or two + capspace to sign Durant, and still keep Blake. Just sayin

That's a good thought

[Quake Griffin]

I mean, if it came to that (and I don't think Durant's suddenly be hell bent on coming here), we can deal DJ to some random team for a good lottery pick or two + capspace to sign Durant, and still keep Blake. Just sayin

2 years of Mozgov and a 2nd went for 2 1sts.

I imagine DJ would land us two picks with one of them for sure being a lottery pick and the other a maybe.

[nickhx2]

it's really still just relative to who has space and who has need. but i'm sure it'd be a good haul. basically you put all the teams with cap room + need for a center in a room and say "up for grabs!"

[QRich3]

If DJ was a free agent next summer he'd be the 2nd most sought after below Durant. So, if (and it's still a big ass if) Durant wanted to come here and we made it known DJ was on the market, we'd kind of being kidnapping free agency. No one would make an offer to Al Horford until they knew for sure they had no chance of getting DJ. I don't think we'd have much problem to get a great asset or two plus the capspace.

Now there's the issue that, if the reportings are true, that Doc would rather deal Blake than DJ, which would be beyond stupid. But he still could do the same with Blake, deal him to a third team, get assets + capspace, and then sign Durant. Better that than dealing Blake straight up for Durant and be hard capped again (because of the sign-and-trade), and with no extra assets.

[mattd13]

I do not see the clips trading blake unless kd was involved. he is a force that will only get better. plus all of us I am sure have done some things in our 20's that we wish would go away. most of these young nba players are no different. because he is a huge public figure should he be held to a higher standard? he plays basketball. he is not the president. this will go away just like with kobe and others and he will be back playing. all this trade talk is interesting but I do not see anything big happening. I am all in with blake.

[nickhx2]

If DJ was a free agent next summer he'd be the 2nd most sought after below Durant. So, if (and it's still a big ass if) Durant wanted to come here and we made it known DJ was on the market, we'd kind of being kidnapping free agency. No one would make an offer to Al Horford until they knew for sure they had no chance of getting DJ. I don't think we'd have much problem to get a great asset or two plus the capspace.

Now there's the issue that, if the reportings are true, that Doc would rather deal Blake than DJ, which would be beyond stupid. But he still could do the same with Blake, deal him to a third team, get assets + capspace, and then sign Durant. Better that than dealing Blake straight up for Durant and be hard capped again (because of the sign-and-trade), and with no extra assets.

yeah, and we all know how i feel about doc but i don't think he's dumb enough to trade blake over dj.

that said, let's say it came down to it. i don't think we could really complain having added durant anyway and coming up with a superstar asset haul in return, which would likely generate a much greater pool of depth compared to just shipping out dj.

[Roscoe Sheed]

If David Lee becomes available Doc should probably take a look at him. He could be useful off the bench at power forward considering the Clippers essentially only have one genuine power forward on the roster now

[Wammy Giveaway]

If David Lee becomes available Doc should probably take a look at him. He could be useful off the bench at power forward considering the Clippers essentially only have one genuine power forward on the roster now

The Clippers are worried that they might be unable to defeat the Golden State Warriors at all to the point they fear of getting swept should they meet in the playoffs. Getting David Lee would be intriguing at best. He is a member of the 2015 Warriors championship team: he could teach the Clippers how the Dubs operate and advise them on proper counters. They won't be able to take Golden State out on the get-go, but they can slow them down just enough for somebody else in the playoffs, particularly the Cleveland Cavaliers, to finish the job.

Let's face it, the Clippers have plateaued as far as title contention goes. The next best thing they can do is give the Warriors a seven-game series to at least delay, maybe even prevent, a dynasty. Getting Lee accomplishes that. And so could Markieff Morris, for supposedly, he is the only player in the league who can defend Draymond Green effectively.

[TucsonClip]

Excerpt from my article today on a Durant-Griffin trade

http://clipperholics.com/2016/02/03/breaking-rumored-blake-griffin-kevin-durant-swap/

Durant is obviously very close with Russell Westbrook and the Thunder are one of the league’s elite teams. Additionally, Westbrook isn’t a free agent until next summer. This could lead to Durant agreeing to a one-year deal with a player option on year two, much like LeBron James agreed to with the Cleveland Cavaliers, but for different reasons.

The one-year deal provides he and Westbrook one more year to make a title run with the Thunder, the duo is able to hit free agency at the same time and also allows Durant to sign during his 10th season of service. This is a major sticking point, because once a player reaches his 10th year, he is now eligible to sign for 35 percent of the salary cap, instead of 30 percent.

Under this scenario, and again using Givony’s numbers, Durant could sign for somewhere in the $33 to $35 million range. Additionally, this would protect the Thunder as well. Griffin can opt out after the 2016-17 season, making it a risky deal for the Thunder if it occurs during this July.

If Durant signs a one-plus-one in July, this would align his contract with Griffin’s. Both players would be eligible for a sign-and-trade, which would then net Griffin a contract starting in the $28-$30 million range. This would also make a one-for-one swap legal under the CBA, saving the Clippers from needing to aggregate more salary.

[og15]

If David Lee becomes available Doc should probably take a look at him. He could be useful off the bench at power forward considering the Clippers essentially only have one genuine power forward on the roster now

The Clippers are worried that they might be unable to defeat the Golden State Warriors at all to the point they fear of getting swept should they meet in the playoffs. Getting David Lee would be intriguing at best. He is a member of the 2015 Warriors championship team: he could teach the Clippers how the Dubs operate and advise them on proper counters. They won't be able to take Golden State out on the get-go, but they can slow them down just enough for somebody else in the playoffs, particularly the Cleveland Cavaliers, to finish the job.

Let's face it, the Clippers have plateaued as far as title contention goes. The next best thing they can do is give the Warriors a seven-game series to at least delay, maybe even prevent, a dynasty. Getting Lee accomplishes that. And so could Markieff Morris, for supposedly, he is the only player in the league who can defend Draymond Green effectively.

The problem for teams isn't that they don't know what could theoretically counter GS, it is having the players to do so, and actually executing it.

How big is that sample size of the Markieff Morris "Draymond Green stopper", I wouldn't hold on to that too much tbh.