2017 Offseason Thread

[Quake Griffin]

Random thought:

Is it fair to a new GM if we bring him in with no assets and this tough decision to make?




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[Akklaim1]

JJ is the perfect SG if he isn't the primary scoring winger. That's why he always folds in the playoffs. Opponents don't worry about Luc so they just go after JJ.

He is an efficient shooter but far from perfect. He can't defend purely because of his physical attributes. He also cannot create his own shot. I think the opposition should respect Luc's 3pt game as he shoots at an acceptable clip now.

With a two-way SF that isn't necessarily a superstar (see prime Luol Deng) and a PG like CP, I'd say JJ is the perfect SG. We're in better shape if JJ scores 12 PPG instead of 16 if that means our SF can score at least 16 PPG. And I still can't trust Luc. We need somebody who's made a career out of being reliable on offense.

[MartinToVaught]

Random thought:

Is it fair to a new GM if we bring him in with no assets and this tough decision to make?

It only gets worse for the next GM the longer Doc stays.

[mattd13]

sad to see the clips lose in the manner they did. jj depends on good screens, ball movement, and crisp passing. he got none of that in this series. luc is not a passer, screener, or quick ball mover. with blake out you basically took jj out as well. doc did nothing to help this and the clips need jj to score and disrupt the defense. I had to turn it off at half time most of the time because it was to painful to watch. going forward I see jj moving on and Austin becoming the shooting guard. in my mind they have to keep cp3 at all cost as well as blake and hope the can stay healthy. the one guy I would trade is dj. he is just not that consistent. he makes one good play and then does not even jump on the next three. his rotations are awful and the free throw shooting gives the other team a big edge. I have always been a big jj fan but his shooting has not been consistent and he has to improve in driving. his ball handling has got to get much better and I am not sure that can happen. every team now has big long guys who can defend and make it very hard for a guy with his skills. I also think doc's needs to go. the game has changed and he has not. this off season will be painful.

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[TucsonClip]

A Blake S&T this summer is pointless. We'd get nothing in return and Blake likely wouldnt agree to one that brought us back any talent.

JJ in a package for Melo makes much more sense.

[wco81]

If the Clippers had draft picks, it might be an option to tank for a couple of years but apparently they don't have picks for a few years.

As for Reddick, he's not young so would the Knicks want him? Or would he attract a lot of interest in free agency? Teams would have to run plays for him since he can't create his own shot. They'd also have to hide him on defense. But teams will want a 45% 3-point shooter.

[Quake Griffin]

Random thought:

Is it fair to a new GM if we bring him in with no assets and this tough decision to make?

It only gets worse for the next GM the longer Doc stays.

True.

I just know the casuals are gonna be gung ho on the new GM if he doesn't spin straw into gold right away. The New GM doesn't deserve those kind of expectations with no assets to work with.


But you are right.
Better to get Doc out now.

[Method28]

What do you guys think the odds of Doc giving CP & Blake (if he does qualify, not sure if his rookie year counts) a NTC? If im them im definitely making that a sticking point considering the situation

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[nickhx2]

jj will probably be very popular this offseason. not sure how we'd be able to do many package deals with him since teams should just be able to sign him outright. but at the same time i'm not familiar with enough cap space situations of other teams to say which ones should be able to do so.

[Quake Griffin]

What do you guys think the odds of Doc giving CP & Blake (if he does qualify, not sure if his rookie year counts) a NTC? If im them im definitely making that a sticking point considering the situation

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We still have some leverage. We can give them the most money/security.

OG can help me with this.
Is there ANY possibility that if one or both of them takes less, we'd have room to sign another player?

Seems like CP3 is a pipe dream and is a part of the LeBron crew that's always going to take the max but I'm looking for any way this team can possibly get better in the offseason.

[wco81]

What's the max that another team could offer CP3? $35 million a year for 5 years?

Not too many teams which can offer him that much or are willing to. Maybe Brooklyn, but he wouldn't go to Brooklyn.

He'd help teams in need of PGs like Utah, Spurs or Milwaukee. Or Chicago.

Of those teams, only Milwaukee may be able to offer him big money because the Greek Freek isn't getting big money yet?

But I'd question whether they'd offer him that much, because they will have to pay Giannis and Jabari Parker in a year or two.

If CP3 was 28, teams would be lining up with max deals. But when he's almost 32? Hard to imagine too many 4-year offers at $30 million per year or more.

Can the Clippers risk lowballing him, like say 5 years at $32 million per? You don't hear too much about incentives in NBA contracts, since they give out guaranteed 9-figure deals left and right. But how about some base and then extra money for those years they get to the second round, the WCF, the Finals?

Again, if tanking were an option -- i.e. Clippers had their picks the next few years -- then they wouldn't be kind of stuck with no other choice but to give out $400 million in contracts.

Sign and trade for these players seem unlikely, unless they're a huge draw to sell tickets and jerseys for the new team, in addition to whatever they'd bring on court.

[TucsonClip]

OG can help me with this.
Is there ANY possibility that if one or both of them takes less, we'd have room to sign another player?

No, not happening.

[TucsonClip]

What's the max that another team could offer CP3? $35 million a year for 5 years?

$36 mil x 4 years + 5% raises = right around $156 million

[Method28]

OG can help me with this.
Is there ANY possibility that if one or both of them takes less, we'd have room to sign another player?

No, not happening.

I'm gonna guess and say CP3 is going to be getting a NTC

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[Method28]

What's the max that another team could offer CP3? $35 million a year for 5 years?

Not too many teams which can offer him that much or are willing to. Maybe Brooklyn, but he wouldn't go to Brooklyn.

He'd help teams in need of PGs like Utah, Spurs or Milwaukee. Or Chicago.

Of those teams, only Milwaukee may be able to offer him big money because the Greek Freek isn't getting big money yet?

But I'd question whether they'd offer him that much, because they will have to pay Giannis and Jabari Parker in a year or two.

If CP3 was 28, teams would be lining up with max deals. But when he's almost 32? Hard to imagine too many 4-year offers at $30 million per year or more.

Can the Clippers risk lowballing him, like say 5 years at $32 million per? You don't hear too much about incentives in NBA contracts, since they give out guaranteed 9-figure deals left and right. But how about some base and then extra money for those years they get to the second round, the WCF, the Finals?

Again, if tanking were an option -- i.e. Clippers had their picks the next few years -- then they wouldn't be kind of stuck with no other choice but to give out $400 million in contracts.

Sign and trade for these players seem unlikely, unless they're a huge draw to sell tickets and jerseys for the new team, in addition to whatever they'd bring on court.

If im not mistaken, the Spurs can sign CP3 outright if they renounce Gasols option or get rid of Parker

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[wco81]

What's the max that another team could offer CP3? $35 million a year for 5 years?

$36 mil x 4 years + 5% raises = right around $156 million

If im not mistaken, the Spurs can sign CP3 outright if they renounce Gasols option or get rid of Parker

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I thought Gasol had a player option.

In any event, would the Spurs give Paul a $156 million deal?

That's got to be way more than Kawhi got and he'd still be the main player on the Spurs even with CP3.

[nickhx2]

don't see why they wouldn't. the spurs are basically kawhi + whatever they randomly get out of the rest of their dudes on any given night. cp3 + kawhi would be a godly pairing that last for years.

[TucsonClip]

Gasol has a player option.

[thanumba2clippersfan]

Low balling players is the old Clipper way. I'll put this very simply, if you want to keep a star player you have to pay them. If the player wants to take less to help the team out then that's great. However in today's NBA I don't think many players will leave money on the table to help their team. If our franchise won't pay Blake or CP3 I guarantee there's another franchise out there that will give them the money they are looking for.

Prime example is when Elton Brand left us for the 6ers, we low balled him at first and he decided to go elsewhere. We matched the offer after the fact, but it was too late. It turned out to be a blessing in disguise since he wasn't the player he was and we set our team up to get Blake and CP3.