esqtvd wrote:TrueLAfan wrote:It’s a brilliant signing, IMO. I’ve been pushing it, so of course I’d say that.
The reason we were able to get Winslow is because he’s coming of injuries; he’s often injured player. The question is whether the injuries are/were chronic. He had a torn labrum in 2017; that’s repairable. And he came back with a good season in 2018 and a great one in 2019. A true 3 and D guy that can guard multiple positions—and run an offense in a pinch to boot? Sign me up. He was 22 in 2019 and averaged about 13-5-4.
The question, like I said, is, how much he’ll come back form the back and injury and hip replacement surgery. Hip replacement surgery is a true year of rehab; Winslow was out for 13 months. He’d missed almost all of the season before that, so the rust was considerable.esqtvd wrote:some upside I guess but his numbers last year made Austin Rivers look like Dame Lillard
negative win share, eFG 38%, 18.5% from 3
Like I said, considerable. But you have to look a little deeper. He strained his quadriceps and went out again after playing 14 games. He looked like crap in the first games, and in the games before and after the quads strain. But he had flashes that reminded you in there too. I was in Denver in March and watched the Memphis/Denver game. His three point form was bad; his mechanics are simple off now. He’ll have to relearn that—no joke. But his motor was great, and he played a Justise Winslow type game; 6 points, 8 rebounds, 5 assists, solid D. Here are the game highlights—check out his ballhandling and the look off assist about 15 seconds into the highlights.
You can’t coach that. That’s some innate skill. He sowed that in other games last season. And that ballhandling and size; Winslow is 6’6” and thick at 225, with a 6’10.5” wingspan. He boxes out well, plays off screens well … look, there’s a reason why he was a #10 pick. And at the time, the NBA wasn’t as vested in player like him—multi=positional role players. Winslow was more of a Unicorn back then. He’s still got a rare combination of skills. He’ll figure out a way to help you.
If he had not been injured, if he continued to develop normally—he’d be a $20 million player. He was practically there two years ago. Injuries robbed him of that. But he’s still only 25 and he works his ass off. He’s the character guy we talk about. Do I want to bet on him regaining his 2019 form? N-n- … maybe not. But maybe so. He had no history of back trouble, and hasn’t had a flare since he recovered. The hip injury was described as a “freak” accident—not a long term, chronic issue. You look at what Justise Winslow could bring—not if he improves by leaps and bound, not if he takes a few steps forward—just by playing as he had been and staying healthy. This is the kind of risk you take because the payout is considerable. He plays all out, all the time.
His BEST year was 13/5/4 in 29 mpg. Marcus Morris numbers. I don't hate it but not wowed.
I think it's clear that injuries have essentially robbed him of his NBA career so far. If he's truly healthy, at his age the chances of recovering at least some of his prior mojo are reasonable. For what we're paying him and what we already have on the roster, we just need a guy who can hustle like a 25 year old and play good defense, and make some token contributions on offense. I think the chances of that are reasonable.
