Game 66 : New York Knicks @ Los Angeles Clippers : Mar 6 10:00 PM

TheNewEra · Post #21 » by **TheNewEra** » Mon Mar 7, 2022 5:48 am

Plenty to work on after a game like that

TheNewEra · Post #22 » by **TheNewEra** » Mon Mar 7, 2022 5:50 am

og15 wrote:Sliver of hope at the end of the third, but this has been a beat up in the 4th, rough, even with the little run.

MartinToVaught wrote:I'm just going to be brutally honest, I don't like our chances in the play-in at all with our dysfunctional offense that can always have a game like this. If we actually get through to the playoffs, I'll be pleasantly surprised.

Again, I have to keep harping on the front office's failure to get a point guard in here who can run a NBA-caliber offense. Their blunder is probably going to end up wasting all the effort our players put forth this year to keep us afloat.

I don't think you're going to find an acquirable PG who would be able to do enough as a playmaker, scorer and shooter to change the offense much without high scoring options for them to also give the ball to. You would need closer to one of those elite type PG's to be able to take the current team and get you above average offense out of it.

We have an elite playmaker in Lebron averaging 29 ppg / 6 apg on the 24th ranked offense. We have DeAaron Fox, who was also playing with Haliburton, two PG's better than any on the Clippers leading the 22nd ranked offense.

So while, yes, I agree, adding a PG would be great, there was no free agent option that the team could get, and I don't see what team was just going to gift one to the Clippers to be nice. I wish one of the teams wanted to do that, but unless I can think of a concrete player they could have gotten and didn't, simply saying, "well why didn't they do it", the answer just becomes "because there is a salary cap, trade rules, etc, etc".

EDIT: Technically the whole point of the salary cap is so that you can't easily build perfect and/or stacked teams and so that the talent gets spread out

Exactly. Even though a point guard would of helped it’s past the point of finding one now. Might get Preston some run or Dunn a call up if we struggle going forward.

nickhx2 · Post #23 » by **nickhx2** » Mon Mar 7, 2022 6:04 am

guys why don't we have a perfect team and a perfect player at every position 1-5 and then the backup 1-5's too and then the reserves i don't get it

LamarWho · Post #24 » by **LamarWho** » Mon Mar 7, 2022 6:22 am

MartinToVaught wrote:I'm just going to be brutally honest, I don't like our chances in the play-in at all with our dysfunctional offense that can always have a game like this. If we actually get through to the playoffs, I'll be pleasantly surprised.

I kinda hate the play in at this point. Adam Silver will make sure Lebron and those underachieving Fakers are gonna get in.

nickhx2 · Post #25 » by **nickhx2** » Mon Mar 7, 2022 7:16 am

eh, it's silly to think it's some sort of gimmick just to get the lakers into the playoffs.

esqtvd · Post #26 » by **esqtvd** » Mon Mar 7, 2022 8:00 am

TheNewEra wrote:Plenty to work on after a game like that

we got out-energized, is all--resting on our laurels and taking a breath at home after a brutal road trip then beating the Dubs and Flakers

Knicks are a garbage team with nothing to lose playing on national TV

$hit happens

Clemenza · Post #27 » by **Clemenza** » Mon Mar 7, 2022 8:07 am

We were never in this one right from the opening tip. Its great when Reggie is knocking 'em down and the rest of the team is hot but its games like this is where a real point guard comes in handy. But on to the next one. I'll give them a pass for tonight but they better have their sh*t together for GS on Tuesday

Post #28 » by **og15** » Mon Mar 7, 2022 1:15 pm

LamarWho wrote:
MartinToVaught wrote:I'm just going to be brutally honest, I don't like our chances in the play-in at all with our dysfunctional offense that can always have a game like this. If we actually get through to the playoffs, I'll be pleasantly surprised.

I kinda hate the play in at this point. Adam Silver will make sure Lebron and those underachieving Fakers are gonna get in.

You should argue it was to get Zion in the playoffs. The Lakers had to be in the play last season despite a top 8, record, that want a benefit to them, and no one was expecting the Lakers to be out of the playoffs this season. Even those who didn't expect the Westbrook fit to work would have thought they could be like 5th or 6th. Really had little to do with LeBron or the Lakers.

KL2 · Post #29 » by **KL2** » Mon Mar 7, 2022 4:10 pm

Glad I didn’t stay up for that. Let’s hope they take the Warriors more serious.

esqtvd · Post #30 » by **esqtvd** » Mon Mar 7, 2022 9:59 pm

Clemenza wrote:We were never in this one right from the opening tip. Its great when Reggie is knocking 'em down and the rest of the team is hot but its games like this is where a real point guard comes in handy. But on to the next one. I'll give them a pass for tonight but they better have their sh*t together for GS on Tuesday

how Reggie gets the blame for this abortion is beyond me

EVERYBODY was garbage and should have stepped up when our MVP has an off night

yes he was 4-18 but Senior and Nico were 4-19!!

Bobbymcgee · Post #31 » by **Bobbymcgee** » Tue Mar 8, 2022 1:47 am

Well they had won five in a row and seven out of their last ten so I give them a pass for laying an egg in this game. Clippers just need to move on the next one.

Sixteen games left and the rest of the schedule is pretty rough with four B2B's still left and only six of those remaining teams left to play have a losing record.

Captain Ballmer · Post #32 » by **Captain Ballmer** » Tue Mar 8, 2022 7:41 am

Pelicans-Memphis-Cavs-Knicks.

4 teams that plays two bigs(at least one of them is a traditional one) young and athletic teams. This is a recipe for L and we got it again and again. This is a theme for a while now, get used to it whenever we matchup with these teams guys.

Mark 14th of March for Cavs and 3rd of April for Pelicans

NickP · Post #33 » by **NickP** » Tue Mar 8, 2022 5:07 pm

Captain Ballmer wrote:Pelicans-Memphis-Cavs-Knicks.

4 teams that plays two bigs(at least one of them is a traditional one) young and athletic teams. This is a recipe for L and we got it again and again. This is a theme for a while now, get used to it whenever we matchup with these teams guys.

Mark 14th of March for Cavs and 3rd of April for Pelicans

So true. It seems we can never beat the Pelicans and the Grizzlies.

madmaxmedia · Post #34 » by **madmaxmedia** » Tue Mar 8, 2022 6:43 pm

esqtvd wrote:
TheNewEra wrote:Plenty to work on after a game like that

we got out-energized, is all--resting on our laurels and taking a breath at home after a brutal road trip then beating the Dubs and Flakers

Knicks are a garbage team with nothing to lose playing on national TV

$hit happens

We haven't had a turkey in while, the recent run I think gave us a short memory. We can compete with almost anyone on any given night, but our margin of error is still thin enough that bad nights will results in bad losses like this.

Clemenza · Post #35 » by **Clemenza** » Tue Mar 8, 2022 6:43 pm

esqtvd wrote:
Clemenza wrote:We were never in this one right from the opening tip. Its great when Reggie is knocking 'em down and the rest of the team is hot but its games like this is where a real point guard comes in handy. But on to the next one. I'll give them a pass for tonight but they better have their sh*t together for GS on Tuesday

how Reggie gets the blame for this abortion is beyond me

EVERYBODY was garbage and should have stepped up when our MVP has an off night

yes he was 4-18 but Senior and Nico were 4-19!!

Where did I blame Reggie? Of course he's going to have an off game from time to time. I just said an actual point guard either starting or coming off the bench can help when the team is lethargic and off shooting wise. Me saying we need an actual pg on the team is not a knock on Reggie. The team has been playing great as of late but a different-traditional skill set is needed during off nights or when the offense gets stagnate. That's all I said

madmaxmedia · Post #36 » by **madmaxmedia** » Tue Mar 8, 2022 6:48 pm

TheNewEra wrote:
og15 wrote:Sliver of hope at the end of the third, but this has been a beat up in the 4th, rough, even with the little run.

MartinToVaught wrote:I'm just going to be brutally honest, I don't like our chances in the play-in at all with our dysfunctional offense that can always have a game like this. If we actually get through to the playoffs, I'll be pleasantly surprised.

Again, I have to keep harping on the front office's failure to get a point guard in here who can run a NBA-caliber offense. Their blunder is probably going to end up wasting all the effort our players put forth this year to keep us afloat.

I don't think you're going to find an acquirable PG who would be able to do enough as a playmaker, scorer and shooter to change the offense much without high scoring options for them to also give the ball to. You would need closer to one of those elite type PG's to be able to take the current team and get you above average offense out of it.

We have an elite playmaker in Lebron averaging 29 ppg / 6 apg on the 24th ranked offense. We have DeAaron Fox, who was also playing with Haliburton, two PG's better than any on the Clippers leading the 22nd ranked offense.

So while, yes, I agree, adding a PG would be great, there was no free agent option that the team could get, and I don't see what team was just going to gift one to the Clippers to be nice. I wish one of the teams wanted to do that, but unless I can think of a concrete player they could have gotten and didn't, simply saying, "well why didn't they do it", the answer just becomes "because there is a salary cap, trade rules, etc, etc".

EDIT: Technically the whole point of the salary cap is so that you can't easily build perfect and/or stacked teams and so that the talent gets spread out

Exactly. Even though a point guard would of helped it’s past the point of finding one now. Might get Preston some run or Dunn a call up if we struggle going forward.

I think the big problem is that if you are trying to give Reggie more rest we don't just need a backup PG, we need a backup offensive initiator too. I've been for signing someone or calling up Dunn (we can obviously cut Hood or Ojeyele to make room), but a treadmill backup PG may not even make a significant impact for us anyways. It may actually be better to give Mann those minutes to try to expand his game, or another way of saying it is that it's better in the long run and may be a wash in the short run too to just put Mann in that role.

NickP · Post #37 » by **NickP** » Tue Mar 8, 2022 6:52 pm

And why has it become not ok to criticize Reggie? Yeah some of his heroics have win us games in the 4th Q but his dumb plays also put us there frequently. Reggie is shooting under 40% from the field and under 33% from three.

Post #38 » by **og15** » Tue Mar 8, 2022 6:59 pm

NickP wrote:And why has it become not ok to criticize Reggie? Yeah some of his heroics have win us games in the 4th Q but his dumb plays also put us there frequently. Reggie is shooting under 40% from the field and under 33% from three.

Yea, I wouldn't simply say because Reggie has been tossed into a role above his talent we can't criticize bad decisions or bad plays.

esqtvd · Post #39 » by **esqtvd** » Tue Mar 8, 2022 8:43 pm

og15 wrote:
NickP wrote:And why has it become not ok to criticize Reggie? Yeah some of his heroics have win us games in the 4th Q but his dumb plays also put us there frequently. Reggie is shooting under 40% from the field and under 33% from three.

Yea, I wouldn't simply say because Reggie has been tossed into a role above his talent we can't criticize bad decisions or bad plays.

Everybody else stepping up will cure 98% of that. It's the freeriders like Marcus who leave it to Reggie to make something out of nothing. Reggie has scored 300 more points than any other Clipper. Our leading scorer at 16.9 ppg. That's ridiculous. He gets the same noise Jamal used to get--but the players know different. In the absence of PG and KL, Reggie's TS% has plummeted from 58% last year to 49% now because there's not a single guy out there who can get his own shot. 90% of Marcus's and 92% of Luke's 3-pointers are assisted-- Reggie only 60%. It's easy to keep your %ages up when you're being spoon-fed your FGAs.

Sure, criticize him all you want. But the players know he's saving their bacon, taking the tough shot when--and because--nobody else will.

esqtvd · Post #40 » by **esqtvd** » Tue Mar 8, 2022 8:52 pm

Clemenza wrote:
esqtvd wrote:
Clemenza wrote:We were never in this one right from the opening tip. Its great when Reggie is knocking 'em down and the rest of the team is hot but its games like this is where a real point guard comes in handy. But on to the next one. I'll give them a pass for tonight but they better have their sh*t together for GS on Tuesday

how Reggie gets the blame for this abortion is beyond me

EVERYBODY was garbage and should have stepped up when our MVP has an off night

yes he was 4-18 but Senior and Nico were 4-19!!

Where did I blame Reggie? Of course he's going to have an off game from time to time. I just said an actual point guard either starting or coming off the bench can help when the team is lethargic and off shooting wise. Me saying we need an actual pg on the team is not a knock on Reggie. The team has been playing great as of late but a different-traditional skill set is needed during off nights or when the offense gets stagnate. That's all I said

Not you in particular. Sorry. I think all the other guys get a pass when we turn in a stinker, is all. T-Mann disappears for a month and there isn't a peep.