The Clipper General Board w/Random Thoughts, Youth Development, Ex Clippers Shinin', etc. Extravaganza

[Clemenza]

Just to let folks know that the league is extremely tough to get into, stay in, prosper, and that two-way deals do mean something.

[og15]

Diabate vs Cavs: 12 minutes 2 points 4 rebs a steal and a block in a 14-point loss

very nice

can we stop talking about marginal players now?

I think the whole point of the thread is to talk about marginal players, lol

There's no need to participate if one hates that discussion, right?

Moussa is a great energy guy with very nice rebounding, the thing that I always thought was good for him per minute as a Clipper is that he was (and is) a low foul guy.

If he can solidify himself as a rotation player in the league that would be great for him. You can't win everything when it comes to the players on the margins.

[esqtvd]

Diabate vs Cavs: 12 minutes 2 points 4 rebs a steal and a block in a 14-point loss

very nice

can we stop talking about marginal players now?

I think the whole point of the thread is to talk about marginal players, lol

There's no need to participate if one hates that discussion, right?

Moussa is a great energy guy with very nice rebounding, the thing that I always thought was good for him per minute as a Clipper is that he was (and is) a low foul guy.

If he can solidify himself as a rotation player in the league that would be great for him. You can't win everything when it comes to the players on the margins.

Good. We've established they're marginal players. That's the point. To condemn the whole org for the first players this century who have gone elsewhere and may [or may not] stick is a bit much. They are not needle-movers.

When you put the question of who you have got rid of instead, and whose minutes would they be taking now, that's the REAL goalpost.

[Clemenza]

Diabate vs Cavs: 12 minutes 2 points 4 rebs a steal and a block in a 14-point loss

very nice

can we stop talking about marginal players now?

I think the whole point of the thread is to talk about marginal players, lol

There's no need to participate if one hates that discussion, right?

Moussa is a great energy guy with very nice rebounding, the thing that I always thought was good for him per minute as a Clipper is that he was (and is) a low foul guy.

If he can solidify himself as a rotation player in the league that would be great for him. You can't win everything when it comes to the players on the margins.

Good. We've established they're marginal players. That's the point. To condemn the whole org for the first players this century who have gone elsewhere and may [or may not] stick is a bit much. They are not needle-movers.

When you put the question of who you have got rid of instead, and whose minutes would they be taking now, that's the REAL goalpost.

Nobody said they were star players to begin with. You're the only one here that puts that on players. Especially our young guys. You're too extreme, that's why I bring up the goal post moving.

[esqtvd]

I think the whole point of the thread is to talk about marginal players, lol

There's no need to participate if one hates that discussion, right?

Moussa is a great energy guy with very nice rebounding, the thing that I always thought was good for him per minute as a Clipper is that he was (and is) a low foul guy.

If he can solidify himself as a rotation player in the league that would be great for him. You can't win everything when it comes to the players on the margins.

Good. We've established they're marginal players. That's the point. To condemn the whole org for the first players this century who have gone elsewhere and may [or may not] stick is a bit much. They are not needle-movers.

When you put the question of who you have got rid of instead, and whose minutes would they be taking now, that's the REAL goalpost.

Nobody said they were star players to begin with. You're the only one here that puts that on players. Especially our young guys. You're too extreme, that's why I bring up the goal post moving.

No need to get personal or accuse me of cheating the argument. The goalposts are these: BBJ and Diabate were seen by the whole league as one-way contract material [if that], not even worth a roster slot. In fact the best coach in the NBA, Gregg Popovich, had BBJ in camp and kicked him to the curb without even a two-way. And the Pelicans are 2-9 in the games BBJ has played. Until starting guards CJ McCallum and Dejounte Murray get back, let's wait to see where he fits in the rotation of a WINNING team.

Again, who you have got rid of instead, and whose minutes would they be taking now? Until somebody has a clear answer, this is just handwaving.

Rather keep Boston instead of Miller, and Diabate rather than Kobe? OK that's defensible. Own it. They're 22-23, not 25 in January. Choices must be made, and these are the ones the Clippers made. But a week of good play by two former prospects in November is hardly grounds for a blanket condemnation of the last dozen years that the Clippers [especially the coach] blahblahblah and never blahblahblah.

[Ballings7]

The campaign for lost son Moussa, shall press on in Charlotte, until further notice.

Out too far now.. : )

[Clemenza]

Good. We've established they're marginal players. That's the point. To condemn the whole org for the first players this century who have gone elsewhere and may [or may not] stick is a bit much. They are not needle-movers.

When you put the question of who you have got rid of instead, and whose minutes would they be taking now, that's the REAL goalpost.

Nobody said they were star players to begin with. You're the only one here that puts that on players. Especially our young guys. You're too extreme, that's why I bring up the goal post moving.

No need to get personal or accuse me of cheating the argument. The goalposts are these: BBJ and Diabate were seen by the whole league as one-way contract material [if that], not even worth a roster slot. In fact the best coach in the NBA, Gregg Popovich, had BBJ in camp and kicked him to the curb without even a two-way. And the Pelicans are 2-9 in the games BBJ has played. Until starting guards CJ McCallum and Dejounte Murray get back, let's wait to see where he fits in the rotation of a WINNING team.

Again, who you have got rid of instead, and whose minutes would they be taking now? Until somebody has a clear answer, this is just handwaving.

Rather keep Boston instead of Miller, and Diabate rather than Kobe? OK that's defensible. Own it. They're 22-23, not 25 in January. Choices must be made, and these are the ones the Clippers made. But a week of good play by two former prospects in November is hardly grounds for a blanket condemnation of the last dozen years that the Clippers [especially the coach] blahblahblah and never blahblahblah.

How many times do we have to keep answering this same question? We've answered this in 2-3 different threads already. This one included. Boston was on a standard deal. Miller was on a two-way. If they kept BBJ & Moussa my opinion would be that KPJ/or Dunn and Bamba doesn't get signed. I believe Moussa was eligible for another two-way of it came down to it

So you're going to gate-keep on what we can and can't talk about? What's your problem seriously? We've watched theses guys for the past three years and they finally get an opportunity and are making good on it and according to you we can't discuss it? And yes L. Frank & Lue will be apart of this discussion, why would they not be? You're the only person on this forum that has a problem with us talking about former Clippers. Even when they were on the team you got pissed if they were brought up. No they are not stars, nobody said they are. Sh*t is not cool bro.

[esqtvd]

Nobody said they were star players to begin with. You're the only one here that puts that on players. Especially our young guys. You're too extreme, that's why I bring up the goal post moving.

No need to get personal or accuse me of cheating the argument. The goalposts are these: BBJ and Diabate were seen by the whole league as one-way contract material [if that], not even worth a roster slot. In fact the best coach in the NBA, Gregg Popovich, had BBJ in camp and kicked him to the curb without even a two-way. And the Pelicans are 2-9 in the games BBJ has played. Until starting guards CJ McCallum and Dejounte Murray get back, let's wait to see where he fits in the rotation of a WINNING team.

Again, who you have got rid of instead, and whose minutes would they be taking now? Until somebody has a clear answer, this is just handwaving.

Rather keep Boston instead of Miller, and Diabate rather than Kobe? OK that's defensible. Own it. They're 22-23, not 25 in January. Choices must be made, and these are the ones the Clippers made. But a week of good play by two former prospects in November is hardly grounds for a blanket condemnation of the last dozen years that the Clippers [especially the coach] blahblahblah and never blahblahblah.

So you're going to gate-keep on what we can and can't talk about? What's your problem seriously? We've watched theses guys for the past three years and they finally get an opportunity and are making good on it and according to you we can't discuss it? And yes L. Frank & Lue will be apart of this discussion, why would they not be? You're the only person on this forum that has a problem with us talking about former Clippers. Even when they were on the team you got pissed if they were brought up. No they are not stars, nobody said they are. Sh*t is not cool bro.

Settle down, Mike Smith. No need to get all bent and personal. Now that you own it, let's sit back and see how it all plays out.

How many times do we have to keep answering this same question? We've answered this in 2-3 different threads already. This one included. Boston was on a standard deal. Miller was on a two-way. If they kept BBJ & Moussa my opinion would be that KPJ/or Dunn and Bamba doesn't get signed. I believe Moussa was eligible for another two-way of it came down to it

I'll take KPJ, Bamba and Dunn over the rest 100 times out of 100--and the league already did.

[Clemenza]

No need to get personal or accuse me of cheating the argument. The goalposts are these: BBJ and Diabate were seen by the whole league as one-way contract material [if that], not even worth a roster slot. In fact the best coach in the NBA, Gregg Popovich, had BBJ in camp and kicked him to the curb without even a two-way. And the Pelicans are 2-9 in the games BBJ has played. Until starting guards CJ McCallum and Dejounte Murray get back, let's wait to see where he fits in the rotation of a WINNING team.

Again, who you have got rid of instead, and whose minutes would they be taking now? Until somebody has a clear answer, this is just handwaving.

Rather keep Boston instead of Miller, and Diabate rather than Kobe? OK that's defensible. Own it. They're 22-23, not 25 in January. Choices must be made, and these are the ones the Clippers made. But a week of good play by two former prospects in November is hardly grounds for a blanket condemnation of the last dozen years that the Clippers [especially the coach] blahblahblah and never blahblahblah.

So you're going to gate-keep on what we can and can't talk about? What's your problem seriously? We've watched theses guys for the past three years and they finally get an opportunity and are making good on it and according to you we can't discuss it? And yes L. Frank & Lue will be apart of this discussion, why would they not be? You're the only person on this forum that has a problem with us talking about former Clippers. Even when they were on the team you got pissed if they were brought up. No they are not stars, nobody said they are. Sh*t is not cool bro.

Settle down, Mike Smith. No need to get all bent and personal. Now that you own it, let's sit back and see how it all plays out.

How many times do we have to keep answering this same question? We've answered this in 2-3 different threads already. This one included. Boston was on a standard deal. Miller was on a two-way. If they kept BBJ & Moussa my opinion would be that KPJ/or Dunn and Bamba doesn't get signed. I believe Moussa was eligible for another two-way of it came down to it

I'll take KPJ, Bamba and Dunn over the rest 100 times out of 100--and the league already did.

Perfect, just don't ask the question again. And I was saying what the scenario would be, not the preference.

[MartinToVaught]

This must be the "better culture" that PG was talking about on his podcast:

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[Clemenza]

It's getting ugly in Philly!

[MartinToVaught]

The honeymoon phase is already over in Philly:

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[esqtvd]

So you're going to gate-keep on what we can and can't talk about? What's your problem seriously? We've watched theses guys for the past three years and they finally get an opportunity and are making good on it and according to you we can't discuss it? And yes L. Frank & Lue will be apart of this discussion, why would they not be? You're the only person on this forum that has a problem with us talking about former Clippers. Even when they were on the team you got pissed if they were brought up. No they are not stars, nobody said they are. Sh*t is not cool bro.

Settle down, Mike Smith. No need to get all bent and personal. Now that you own it, let's sit back and see how it all plays out.

How many times do we have to keep answering this same question? We've answered this in 2-3 different threads already. This one included. Boston was on a standard deal. Miller was on a two-way. If they kept BBJ & Moussa my opinion would be that KPJ/or Dunn and Bamba doesn't get signed. I believe Moussa was eligible for another two-way of it came down to it

I'll take KPJ, Bamba and Dunn over the rest 100 times out of 100--and the league already did.

Perfect, just don't ask the question again. And I was saying what the scenario would be, not the preference.

All that and you're not even going to own it?

[esqtvd]

lol

Mostly Philly has turned on Embiid. They haven't even had time to turn on PG yet. Tobias was hated enough for being way overpaid, but he came to play every night. Hell awaits PG. Everybody knows he's only there for the money.

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[esqtvd]

What Ballmer avoided

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[madmaxmedia]

lol

Mostly Philly has turned on Embiid. They haven't even had time to turn on PG yet. Tobias was hated enough for being way overpaid, but he came to play every night. Hell awaits PG. Everybody knows he's only there for the money.

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He talks like a guy who was already ordained the GOAT by everyone somehow, so he owes nothing to anyone- much less have anything to prove or fight for.

[Clemenza]

Settle down, Mike Smith. No need to get all bent and personal. Now that you own it, let's sit back and see how it all plays out.



I'll take KPJ, Bamba and Dunn over the rest 100 times out of 100--and the league already did.

Perfect, just don't ask the question again. And I was saying what the scenario would be, not the preference.

All that and you're not even going to own it?

Own what? What are you talking about?

[esqtvd]

Perfect, just don't ask the question again. And I was saying what the scenario would be, not the preference.

All that and you're not even going to own it?

Own what? What are you talking about?

What YOU think the Clippers should have done with

Boston
Diabate
Jordan
Kobe
KPJ
Bamba
Kai

and let's throw in

Bones
Dunn
DJJ

and I suppose even

Mann
Coffey

Can't keep 'em all. Set the goalposts. Own it.

I have no idea what two-way Trentyn Flowers is about, except he's 6'9" and only 19, so that's enough for me. And I'm not trying to trap you: Cam Christie is on a new CBA thing where his $$ doesn't count against the sal cap or apron, etc. so you're not on the hook for that one, but he does take up a slot on the 15-man roster. So does PJ Tucker, whom the Clippers are holding onto in the bizarre hope they can dump him and his expiring for something [anything!] of value.

So have at it. Let's get specific. Own it.

[Clemenza]

All that and you're not even going to own it?

Own what? What are you talking about?

What YOU think the Clippers should have done with

Boston
Diabate
Jordan
Kobe
KPJ
Bamba
Kai

and let's throw in

Bones
Dunn
DJJ

and I suppose even

Mann
Coffey

Can't keep 'em all. Set the goalposts. Own it.

I have no idea what two-way Trentyn Flowers is about, except he's 6'9" and only 19, so that's enough for me. And I'm not trying to trap you: Cam Christie is on a new CBA thing where his $$ doesn't count against the sal cap or apron, etc. so you're not on the hook for that one, but he does take up a slot on the 15-man roster. So does PJ Tucker, whom the Clippers are holding onto in the bizarre hope they can dump him and his expiring for something [anything!] of value.

So have at it. Let's get specific. Own it.

I already said if they resigned BBJ and Diabate then they probably don't sign KPJ, Bamba, or Dunn. Maybe they don't pick up Flowers who went undrafted but got an instant two-way spot. They weren't moving Bones, Kobe is still on the roster. Maybe they don't bring Kai back, who knows. I don't know what the f*ck you want from me with this hypothetical. This sh*t can go down a million different rabbit holes, paths, and directions. KPJ is from Seattle and played with Ballmer's kid when they were little. Maybe he was the guy to pull that trigger and say that BBJ was out and KPJ is in. I'll give my opinion on who would've stayed and who should've been let go, but its just water under the bridge at this point. With L. Frank and Lue at the helm I don't know what's what anymore. We know nothing, Kawhi's status.. who knows? Its all smoke and mirrors and double speak. You want to hang your hat on this, while we just want to see these dudes ball out on their new teams. I'm just a fan of the team, not part of the front office. I don't know what the f*ck you're getting at with all of this?

[esqtvd]

Own what? What are you talking about?

What YOU think the Clippers should have done with

Boston
Diabate
Jordan
Kobe
KPJ
Bamba
Kai

and let's throw in

Bones
Dunn
DJJ

and I suppose even

Mann
Coffey

Can't keep 'em all. Set the goalposts. Own it.

I have no idea what two-way Trentyn Flowers is about, except he's 6'9" and only 19, so that's enough for me. And I'm not trying to trap you: Cam Christie is on a new CBA thing where his $$ doesn't count against the sal cap or apron, etc. so you're not on the hook for that one, but he does take up a slot on the 15-man roster. So does PJ Tucker, whom the Clippers are holding onto in the bizarre hope they can dump him and his expiring for something [anything!] of value.

So have at it. Let's get specific. Own it.

I already said if they resigned BBJ and Diabate then they probably don't sign KPJ, Bamba, or Dunn. Maybe they don't pick up Flowers who went undrafted but got an instant two-way spot. They weren't moving Bones, Kobe is still on the roster. Maybe they don't bring Kai back, who knows. I don't know what the f*ck you want from me with this hypothetical. This sh*t can go down a million different rabbit holes, paths, and directions. KPJ is from Seattle and played with Ballmer's kid when they were little. Maybe he was the guy to pull that trigger and say that BBJ was out and KPJ is in. I'll give my opinion on who would've stayed and who should've been let go, but its just water under the bridge at this point. With L. Frank and Lue at the helm I don't know what's what anymore. We know nothing, Kawhi's status.. who knows? Its all smoke and mirrors and double speak. You want to hang your hat on this, while we just want to see these dudes ball out on their new teams. I'm just a fan of the team, not part of the front office. I don't know what the f*ck you're getting at with all of this?

C'mon bruh, I'm certainly not going to let myself be accused of dishonesty, of moving the goalposts. That's offensive, ok? I think I've been quite polite and logical about the whole thing. I'm giving you and everyone here the chance to set the goalposts and bring the receipts.

Debates have a topic. This is ours:

IF Boston or Diabate becomes a playoff rotation starter somewhere OR even a starter on a crap team, they will be the FIRST this century.

I think I've made my case. With the follow-up question, "Who would you have got rid of instead?" I even gave you a factual escape hatch, that Cam Christie and PJ Tucker are on the 15-man roster for CBA/financial reasons. We just couldn't keep everybody. Floor's yours.