2018 NBA Draft Talk

[Quake Griffin]

Btw, if Ethan Happ enters the draft, I’d like to get back into the 2nd round to get him or even late in the 1st round....NOT WITH OUR current 1st rounders.

6’9” 235
Athletic as hell but not flashing it via dunks and highlights.
Incredible post game and finishing around the basket.
Incredible defender at the college level.

Redshirted on a final four team.
2 sweet 16s.
Stuck as the leader of a **** team and still rises to the occasion as the leader. Great attitude.

Downside...cannot shoot well. Cannot hit FTs.
Montrezl can render him moot as an energy big but the talent in the post is way more than Montrezl.

I’d like to pay for a 2nd rounder to swing for the fences with him.

If not this year then next year.

Ok done with my Badger plug.


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[Quake Griffin]

Ayton
Sexton
Bridges
Carter

All in Yahoo Sports report for potential pay for play. This is not the biggest deal to me but I know some people appreciate those that follow the rules even if the rules are stupid.




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[TucsonClip]

Ayton
Sexton
Bridges
Carter

All in Yahoo Sports report for potential pay for play. This is not the biggest deal to me but I know some people appreciate those that follow the rules even if the rules are stupid.




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ESPN is about to be in some deep **** over that Miller/Ayton libel and slander over the weekend.

[wco81]

Libel?

Wasn't Miller caught on tape?

Anyways, what those players bring to the schools, they should be getting paid.

Ayton probably sold way more than $100k worth of tickets.

[ejftw]

Don't know what to look forward to in the draft since no one knows what the roster shape will come close to looking like, but I wouldn't mind getting into the second and taking a flier on guys like Shake Milton, Alonzo Trier, Aaron Holiday, Rawle Alkins or De'Anthony Melton. All bring something different to the table, but can see them sticking around as key glue guys for years to come.

Thomas Welsh if he goes undrafted better be invited to our SL and training camp.

Ayton
Sexton
Bridges
Carter

All in Yahoo Sports report for potential pay for play. This is not the biggest deal to me but I know some people appreciate those that follow the rules even if the rules are stupid.




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Can't blame the players for taking money but the rules need to change.


What I'd do is allow players to earn money from endorsements, ala Olympians while also getting rid of the "must spend a year in college to be NBA Draft eligible." Give players a percentage of any merchandise sold that directly involves them (such as jerseys).

Also allow players to remain in school after being drafted, regardless of agent or not.

[TucsonClip]

Libel?

Wasn't Miller caught on tape?

Anyways, what those players bring to the schools, they should be getting paid.

Ayton probably sold way more than $100k worth of tickets.

ESPN is getting their lawyers ready.

Miller was on a wire, he was propositioned about Ayton, and from the accounts coming from his side, it was to steer Ayton to ASM when he declares.

ESPN reported 3 completely different timelines on the topic (citing he was wire tapped in spring 2017, then spring 2016, then 2016 in general). However, the first report (spring 2017) Ayton had already signed with Arizona the year prior. ESPN changed the dates of the story to spring 2016 to jump ahead of the Ayton commitment, then corrected themselves a third time to 2016 in general.

Few major problems. We know for a fact that Dawkins (the guy who was allegedly offering 100k) wasn't being wire tapped until 2017. So the 2016 reports hold no weight. We also know Miller was informed he was recorded on a wire tap at least once from June 2017 until September 2017(anyone wiretapped has to be informed after the fact). Well... Ayton was already enrolled and on campus by then.

Then everyone on ESPN attacked Miller, calling him a "crook" and "stupid crook" on college game day.

Finally, Ayton was cleared by the FBI and NCAA, including multiple meetings with bit h parties even up until a few months ago. Miller was never charged in the original case, unlike Pitino.

Notice anything Miller related has yet to be talked about tonight, and the guy who reported that Miller paid Ayton, later said he never said he paid Ayton, and also confirmed he never hears any audio of the call, nor saw transcripts, nor did he verify his "scources" claims with a 2nd party.

ESPN is gonna get sued like crazy.

Also, below is an official article from 247/CBS three national recruiting analysts on the issues with the time line. I can go even further, even if UA and Miller part ways, someone will sue. The wiretaps are sealed court documents, and from what I heard UA and Miller know when he was wire tapped, who he spoke to, and what it was regarding, and it wasn't paying Ayton.

https://247sports.com/Article/Sources-Conflicting-information-in-ESPNs-report-involving-Arizona-star-DeAndre-Ayton-coach-Sean-Miller-115594868

[TucsonClip]

Ayton
Sexton
Bridges
Carter

All in Yahoo Sports report for potential pay for play. This is not the biggest deal to me but I know some people appreciate those that follow the rules even if the rules are stupid.




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Also, Ayton wasn't named once in any Yahoo report. ESPN screwed that up too. They are 0-4 thus weekend, but you won't hear them restrict any of that. Not to mention, they reported Miller was actually fired Saturday night.

They are in deep ish.

[TucsonClip]

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[madmaxmedia]

What I'd do is allow players to earn money from endorsements, ala Olympians while also getting rid of the "must spend a year in college to be NBA Draft eligible." Give players a percentage of any merchandise sold that directly involves them (such as jerseys).

Also allow players to remain in school after being drafted, regardless of agent or not.

Using Olympic athletes for comparison is a great point. I would personally propose the following:

1. Allow players to accept any/all 3rd party money- endorsements, boosters, agents, whatever. If head coaches can take shoe money and run summer camps for profit, and schools can take booster money, players should be allowed to do the same. All such income could be required to be reported to prevent any sort of fraud or criminal activity, since it would all be above board.

2. Revamp rules regarding scholarships. Ideally guarantee 4 year scholarships, maybe let schools 'amnesty' players so that they're not motivated to revoke scholarships or run student-athletes off to free up a scholarship spot. You can drop a player off a team, but give them some educational security.

I would also extend scholarship periods for an additional 2 years say after a student-athlete leaves school, for those who want to come back and earn a degree. Football and basketball players don't have normal academic lives, letting them come back after their sports eligibility ends would actually allow them to continue or complete college like a real full-time student. Because that's what the NCAA really cares about, right???

Do these, and I care a lot less about whether schools pay students directly. There are several large pies that represent different sources of revenue (TV, endorsements, boosters, ticket/merchandise sales), right now the players are cut off from basically all of them besides a non-guaranteed scholarship.

Personally I think the NCAA is far worse than whatever coaches are now being accused of overseeing payments, etc. My #1 above will never happen, because the NCAA is committed to enforcing the amateur status of student-athletes, in order to maintain its status as a non-profit organization and avoid paying taxes.

[Quake Griffin]

Thank you for laying into ESPN and not me. LOL. I was relaying that info from my couch and ESPN’s ticker.




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[wco81]

The reality is, if they paid the players, the money would come from these huge coaching deals.

The coaches making the big money won't stand for that.

[TucsonClip]

Thank you for laying into ESPN and not me. LOL. I was relaying that info from my couch and ESPN’s ticker.

This is exactly why they are going to be sued. What does anyone not connected to UA know? They only know what ESPN falsely reported.

[TucsonClip]

The reality is, if they paid the players, the money would come from these huge coaching deals.

The coaches making the big money won't stand for that.

Not true at all. EVERY big time program in college hoops pays players. Hell even the ones that arent big time pay. They have for 30+ years. The difference is some universities have more resources they can compile (shoe contracts, boosters, ect.).

[TucsonClip]

Thank you for laying into ESPN and not me. LOL. I was relaying that info from my couch and ESPN’s ticker.

This is exactly why they are going to be sued. What does anyone not connected to UA know? They only know what ESPN falsely reported.

Sounds like ESPN is gonna **** a brick tonight when Miller returns.

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[Captain Ballmer]

2 potential lottery picks, 2 ongoing needs on Doc's entire tenure. 1st one; An updated big man who can strecth the floor while protect the rim, targeted replacement of DJ. 2nd one; A guard who can defend, shoot and create while bigger than 6'5 ft.

Mitchell Robinson for the big man and Shai Gilgeous Alexander for the guard, those are the names caught my attention from draft boards. Especially Robinson, whom might be the real deal if he still looks competitive in workouts with full year off of the competition.

[TucsonClip]

2 potential lottery picks, 2 ongoing needs on Doc's entire tenure. 1st one; An updated big man who can strecth the floor while protect the rim, targeted replacement of DJ. 2nd one; A guard who can defend, shoot and create while bigger than 6'5 ft.

Mitchell Robinson for the big man and Shai Gilgeous Alexander for the guard, those are the names caught my attention from draft boards. Especially Robinson, whom might be the real deal if he still looks competitive in workouts with full year off of the competition.

A wing. A legitimate, NBA-sized, wing. That has been our missing piece for ages. Wes Johnson, sadly, is the closest we have had.

[Quake Griffin]

Miles Bridges.

Capable of being that wing or just a tweener?

Looks like he had a pretty sweet trey ball this year.


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[Captain Ballmer]

2 potential lottery picks, 2 ongoing needs on Doc's entire tenure. 1st one; An updated big man who can strecth the floor while protect the rim, targeted replacement of DJ. 2nd one; A guard who can defend, shoot and create while bigger than 6'5 ft.

Mitchell Robinson for the big man and Shai Gilgeous Alexander for the guard, those are the names caught my attention from draft boards. Especially Robinson, whom might be the real deal if he still looks competitive in workouts with full year off of the competition.

A wing. A legitimate, NBA-sized, wing. That has been our missing piece for ages. Wes Johnson, sadly, is the closest we have had.

I thought we have that wing with Tobias Harris.

[QRich3]

Still not loving anyone in our range. Praying the Pistons pick falls to 10th (it's one game back rn) and Mikal Bridges falls to us, a combination of Mikal and Robinson with both our picks would make me happy, but it seems like a lot of things would have to go our way for that to happen.

Kevin Knox seems so interesting but yet so disappointing of a player. I want to think that he can put it all together cause he has a very nice package of shooting, size, and every-once-in-a-while good defense, but he's fits the profile of the guy that never really puts it together mentally. Although not the same kind of player, but I did think the same of Devin Booker when he was over at Kentucky, way too timid and inconsistent to be a good NBA player, and here we are, he's the Suns franchise player now.

The other Kentucky guy, Gilgeous-Alexander, looks nice as a role player, but I'd hate to waste a lottery pick on a guy like him.

Caught a little bit of the Creighton game the other day and I'm feeling Khyri Thomas, great shooter, looks like he can defend a bunch of positions well, can't really do much with the ball in his hands but would be a good understudy for Bev's role. Again, not ideal to spend a lottery pick on a guy like that, but he looks like he can be a good player.

Caught the Duke game too, and I'm not feeling any of those guys, not even Bagley for where he's gonna get drafted. They all seem like guys whose game will work better in college against weaker opposition. Bagley rebounding and ball-handling skills will definitely translate, but I see him a bit like Julius Randle, this bully ball thing won't work for him as well in the league. Carter is a big that can't defend and with the level of bigs in the league nowadays, I don't see how he ends up a starter. Duval is ok but nothing to write home about, maybe worth taking a flyer with a very late 1st.