NBA Gatorade League: Agua Caliente Clippers of Ontario

[Clemenza]

easy there Justin

Mfiondu Kabengele G-League Stats

https://www.basketball-reference.com/gleague/players/k/kabenmf01d.html

What does Keon have to do with Kabengele? It's just literally impossible for a young player to have any kind upside with us right?

Because the G-League is crap. Isaiah Thomas just walked in off the street and put up 42. I'm surprised you don't see the connection with the fools' gold that was Kabengele's stat line there.

Are they the same player? Do they play the same position? Do they have the same skill set and athleticism? Cut the crap and tell me, what does Keon have to do with Kabengele?

[esqtvd]

We are very lucky right now to have young players like Scrubb, Boston & Keon all showing signs that they could be productive rotation players or even a rising star for us. They all play similar positions but that’s not a bad thing either.
Throw in Preston and the signing of Hart and it shows our front office really did it’s job with this group.
I’m excited for the future of all these guys with the best hopefully staying with the Clippers

I'm not sure there's all that much organizational brilliance here. #51 pick Boston has quickly moved ahead of Keon, drafted at #21. Throw 'em all up on the wall and see what sticks.

[esqtvd]

What does Keon have to do with Kabengele? It's just literally impossible for a young player to have any kind upside with us right?

Because the G-League is crap. Isaiah Thomas just walked in off the street and put up 42. I'm surprised you don't see the connection with the fools' gold that was Kabengele's stat line there.

Are they the same player? Do they play the same position? Do they have the same skill set and athleticism? Cut the crap and tell me, what does Keon have to do with Kabengele?

You're being obtuse. G-League means nothing, is the point. The point holds unless you want to present evidence to the contrary.

[Clemenza]

Because the G-League is crap. Isaiah Thomas just walked in off the street and put up 42. I'm surprised you don't see the connection with the fools' gold that was Kabengele's stat line there.

Are they the same player? Do they play the same position? Do they have the same skill set and athleticism? Cut the crap and tell me, what does Keon have to do with Kabengele?

You're being obtuse. G-League means nothing, is the point. The point holds unless you want to present evidence to the contrary.

That's fine.. just simply say the G-League sucks and it means nothing and move on. There's absolutely no reason to bring up Kabengele when talking about Keon. Why project and shoehorn the failure of one player onto another unrelated player? It makes no sense

[esqtvd]

Are they the same player? Do they play the same position? Do they have the same skill set and athleticism? Cut the crap and tell me, what does Keon have to do with Kabengele?

You're being obtuse. G-League means nothing, is the point. The point holds unless you want to present evidence to the contrary.

That's fine.. just simply say the G-League sucks and it means nothing and move on. There's absolutely no reason to bring up Kabengele when talking about Keon. Why project and shoehorn the failure of one player onto another unrelated player? It makes no sense

that's all I said in the first place bro

Read on Twitter

easy there Justin

Mfiondu Kabengele G-League Stats

https://www.basketball-reference.com/gleague/players/k/kabenmf01d.html

I'm glad Keon isn't stinking up the joint. But neither did Fi. Nothing would please me more than squeezing actual NBA minutes out of this crop of rank kids. But I think "easy there" is not overly pessimistic.

During his time in the NBA Summer League in Las Vegas, Keon averaged 8.6 points and 5.2 rebounds per contest but still struggled mightily from the floor. Over a five-game sample, he connected on just 28.8% of his field-goal attempts and 20% from three-point range.

Things didn’t go much better during preseason play, either, as he averaged 4.7 PPG on shooting splits of 29-20-63.

https://heavy.com/sports/los-angeles-clippers/keon-johnson-debut/

[Clemenza]

You're being obtuse. G-League means nothing, is the point. The point holds unless you want to present evidence to the contrary.

That's fine.. just simply say the G-League sucks and it means nothing and move on. There's absolutely no reason to bring up Kabengele when talking about Keon. Why project and shoehorn the failure of one player onto another unrelated player? It makes no sense

that's all I said in the first place bro

Read on Twitter

easy there Justin

Mfiondu Kabengele G-League Stats

https://www.basketball-reference.com/gleague/players/k/kabenmf01d.html

I'm glad Keon isn't stinking up the joint. But neither did Fi. Nothing would please me more than squeezing actual NBA minutes out of this crop of rank kids. But I think "easy there" is not overly pessimistic.

During his time in the NBA Summer League in Las Vegas, Keon averaged 8.6 points and 5.2 rebounds per contest but still struggled mightily from the floor. Over a five-game sample, he connected on just 28.8% of his field-goal attempts and 20% from three-point range.

Things didn’t go much better during preseason play, either, as he averaged 4.7 PPG on shooting splits of 29-20-63.

https://heavy.com/sports/los-angeles-clippers/keon-johnson-debut/

If you think a medium sucks then that's fine, I get that. We only take these G League games with a grain of salt anyways period. I just don't understand the concept of bringing up a past failure and attaching it to the next guy just to prove a point. Its like you plant a hell of a garden in your backyard and now a guy that owns a nursery two blocks away wants to hire you but another employee of his says don't do because the last guy that was good with home gardening we hired flamed out here. What does that have to do with YOU who could have a better work ethic, loves to plant, and has a natural 'green thumb' as opposed to the other guy? That's my point. Why always bring up the failure and attach it to the next guy just to prove a point?

But I digress, carry on.

[esqtvd]

That's fine.. just simply say the G-League sucks and it means nothing and move on. There's absolutely no reason to bring up Kabengele when talking about Keon. Why project and shoehorn the failure of one player onto another unrelated player? It makes no sense

that's all I said in the first place bro

easy there Justin

Mfiondu Kabengele G-League Stats

https://www.basketball-reference.com/gleague/players/k/kabenmf01d.html

I'm glad Keon isn't stinking up the joint. But neither did Fi. Nothing would please me more than squeezing actual NBA minutes out of this crop of rank kids. But I think "easy there" is not overly pessimistic.

During his time in the NBA Summer League in Las Vegas, Keon averaged 8.6 points and 5.2 rebounds per contest but still struggled mightily from the floor. Over a five-game sample, he connected on just 28.8% of his field-goal attempts and 20% from three-point range.

Things didn’t go much better during preseason play, either, as he averaged 4.7 PPG on shooting splits of 29-20-63.

https://heavy.com/sports/los-angeles-clippers/keon-johnson-debut/

If you think a medium sucks then that's fine, I get that. We only take these G League games with a grain of salt anyways period. I just don't understand the concept of bringing up a past failure and attaching it to the next guy just to prove a point. Its like you plant a hell of a garden in your backyard and now a guy that owns a nursery two blocks away wants to hire you but another employee of his says don't do because the last guy that was good with home gardening we hired flamed out here. What does that have to do with YOU who could have a better work ethic, loves to plant, and has a natural 'green thumb' as opposed to the other guy? That's my point. Why always bring up the failure and attach it to the next guy just to prove a point?

But I digress, carry on.

And everybody was drinking the Brandon Boston kool-aid a week ago and making him a starter. Now look at last night's game thread--they're ready to send him back to G-League. And T-Mann, a board pet, is now getting the fish-eye. So it goes.

I don't bash our boys [except Marcus lol] or get too high either. I don't dog the coach every time we fall behind by double digits or expect to win road games missing 2 or 3 starters. I don't fawn over the FO whenever one of their longshots has a decent half. I don't trash the solid pros who pull the cart like Reggie or Lou and I don't delude myself that back-of-the-bench guys can step in and do better. If that's 'carrying on', then yes, I shall continue to do so.

[Clemenza]

that's all I said in the first place bro




I'm glad Keon isn't stinking up the joint. But neither did Fi. Nothing would please me more than squeezing actual NBA minutes out of this crop of rank kids. But I think "easy there" is not overly pessimistic.

During his time in the NBA Summer League in Las Vegas, Keon averaged 8.6 points and 5.2 rebounds per contest but still struggled mightily from the floor. Over a five-game sample, he connected on just 28.8% of his field-goal attempts and 20% from three-point range.

Things didn’t go much better during preseason play, either, as he averaged 4.7 PPG on shooting splits of 29-20-63.

https://heavy.com/sports/los-angeles-clippers/keon-johnson-debut/

If you think a medium sucks then that's fine, I get that. We only take these G League games with a grain of salt anyways period. I just don't understand the concept of bringing up a past failure and attaching it to the next guy just to prove a point. Its like you plant a hell of a garden in your backyard and now a guy that owns a nursery two blocks away wants to hire you but another employee of his says don't do because the last guy that was good with home gardening we hired flamed out here. What does that have to do with YOU who could have a better work ethic, loves to plant, and has a natural 'green thumb' as opposed to the other guy? That's my point. Why always bring up the failure and attach it to the next guy just to prove a point?

But I digress, carry on.

And everybody was drinking the Brandon Boston kool-aid a week ago and making him a starter. Now look at last night's game thread--they're ready to send him back to G-League. And T-Mann, a board pet, is now getting the fish-eye. So it goes.

I don't bash our boys [except Marcus lol] or get too high either. I don't dog the coach every time we fall behind by double digits or expect to win road games missing 2 or 3 starters. I don't fawn over the FO whenever one of their longshots has a decent half. I don't trash the solid pros who pull the cart like Reggie or Lou and I don't delude myself that back-of-the-bench guys can step in and do better. If that's 'carrying on', then yes, I shall continue to do so.

Go ahead and switch up the convo.. ad homienem at its finest We praise the youth when they do good. Nobody said any of them were beneath the G League. They've been there damn near the entire start of the season anyway

[esqtvd]

If you think a medium sucks then that's fine, I get that. We only take these G League games with a grain of salt anyways period. I just don't understand the concept of bringing up a past failure and attaching it to the next guy just to prove a point. Its like you plant a hell of a garden in your backyard and now a guy that owns a nursery two blocks away wants to hire you but another employee of his says don't do because the last guy that was good with home gardening we hired flamed out here. What does that have to do with YOU who could have a better work ethic, loves to plant, and has a natural 'green thumb' as opposed to the other guy? That's my point. Why always bring up the failure and attach it to the next guy just to prove a point?

But I digress, carry on.

And everybody was drinking the Brandon Boston kool-aid a week ago and making him a starter. Now look at last night's game thread--they're ready to send him back to G-League. And T-Mann, a board pet, is now getting the fish-eye. So it goes.

I don't bash our boys [except Marcus lol] or get too high either. I don't dog the coach every time we fall behind by double digits or expect to win road games missing 2 or 3 starters. I don't fawn over the FO whenever one of their longshots has a decent half. I don't trash the solid pros who pull the cart like Reggie or Lou and I don't delude myself that back-of-the-bench guys can step in and do better. If that's 'carrying on', then yes, I shall continue to do so.

Go ahead and switch up the convo.. ad homienem at its finest We praise the youth when they do good. Nobody said any of them were beneath the G League. They've been there damn near the entire start of the season anyway

Not really responsive to anything I've written, so this has run its course. The conversation is about to not get carried away with G-League numbers and some examples as to why not. You declined my kind invitation to offer evidence to the contrary. Peace, bro.

[KL2]

It’s not really fair to compare Johnson to Kabengele. He has an advantage that Johnson hasn’t been given yet. And that’s playing time to showcase his talent and/or improvement.

Kabengele never showed it with his time with the Clippers, Kings, or Cleveland. In fairness to him maybe it’s a case with guys like Hartenstein who just need to find that perfect fit.

Johnson, small sample size, has shown improvement from SL to his stint with the g-league. Can he show it with the Clippers though? All signs seem to indicate he will but time will tell.

[esqtvd]

It’s not really fair to compare Johnson to Kabengele. He has an advantage that Johnson hasn’t been given yet. And that’s playing time to showcase his talent and/or improvement.

Kabengele never showed it with his time with the Clippers, Kings, or Cleveland. In fairness to him maybe it’s a case with guys like Hartenstein who just need to find that perfect fit.

Johnson, small sample size, has shown improvement from SL to his stint with the g-league. Can he show it with the Clippers though? All signs seem to indicate he will but time will tell.

The discussion is about G-League stats, nothing else. Fi's G-League stats were quite good [link provided above]. But that Isaiah put up 42 points practically in his street clothes tells you all you need to know.

[Clemenza]

It’s not really fair to compare Johnson to Kabengele. He has an advantage that Johnson hasn’t been given yet. And that’s playing time to showcase his talent and/or improvement.

Kabengele never showed it with his time with the Clippers, Kings, or Cleveland. In fairness to him maybe it’s a case with guys like Hartenstein who just need to find that perfect fit.

Johnson, small sample size, has shown improvement from SL to his stint with the g-league. Can he show it with the Clippers though? All signs seem to indicate he will but time will tell.

The discussion is about G-League stats, nothing else. Fi's G-League stats were quite good [link provided above]. But that Isaiah put up 42 points practically in his street clothes tells you all you need to know.

But the thing is you bring up Kabengele you're also implying that Keon Johnson will be out of the league by next season. You can't just stop and start with comparing numbers only. You brought up thee worst example possible to try to paint a narrative in which you always do. Its like a young player getting busted with weed for the first time and you put him in the same boat as Len Bias. I don't get how you don't know what we're talking about here.

[KL2]

The discussion is about G-League stats, nothing else. Fi's G-League stats were quite good [link provided above]. But that Isaiah put up 42 points practically in his street clothes tells you all you need to know.

Fair enough but my point still stands. Fi was given chances on 3 different teams to show if he was more than a g-league level player. Johnson has not been given the same opportunities. Until he’s given a chance it’s an unfair comparison imo.

As for IT I should hope so he could dominate after all of his experience.

[KL2]

Hit the wrong button. Quote instead of edit. I’m an idiot.

[esqtvd]

The discussion is about G-League stats, nothing else. Fi's G-League stats were quite good [link provided above]. But that Isaiah put up 42 points practically in his street clothes tells you all you need to know.

Fair enough but my point still stands. Fi was given chances on 3 different teams to show if he was more than a g-league level player. Johnson has not been given the same opportunities. Until he’s given a chance it’s an unfair comparison imo.

As for IT I should hope so he could dominate after all of his experience.

Giving examples is proper argument, not "narrative." Not making a statement on Keon one way or the other. But if you CANT score 15 ppg in G-League, you suck .

https://stats.gleague.nba.com/player/1630187/shooting/

[KL2]

Ugh. Thanks for reminding me about Oturu.

[KL2]

They had interest in him in the past I think?

Read on Twitter

[TrueLAfan]

Dunn is/would be a reclamation project--and a very, very good one. He tore a ligament in his ankle in preseason last year, and didn't get played by Nate McMillan after he'd recovered. Atlanta was/is an offense happy team. I read a comment by a Hawks fan who said Dunn had "absolutely no offense whatsoever." That's wrong; he's an adequate scorer whose perimeter shot was developing, then regressed in 2019. The 2019 Bulls were, to put it charitably, a work in progress especially on offense. I think there's a reaosnable chance that Dunn can get back to being a 33-35% shooter from behind the line.

And that, to go with his 12-14 pts/36 would be plenty. He's an excellent defender and good decision maker. If he starts hitting from deep, he's a plus on any team.

[nickhx2]

yeah i don't hate the "gamble" if he can still defend and do a couple things on offense.

[LamarWho]

Is Dunn a better PG than Bledsoe or Reggie? I am just so tired of how inconsistent Bledsoe is.