2017 Offseason Thread

[TucsonClip]

The Jerry West, David Griffin, Ryan West trifecta.

Jerry hired Griffin in Memphis...

[Ranma]

I certainly hope the Clippers take after the Dodgers to form a super team in the front office. The think tank at Chavez Ravine consists of not only Andrew Friedman but also ex-GMs like Farhan Zaidi (Moneyball's Billy Beane favorite), Alex Anthopoulos (2015 Sporting News Executive of the Year), and Josh Byrnes. This doesn't even account for President & CEO (and former Atlanta Hawks GM) Stan Kasten who built up the successful Braves teams of the 1990s and early 2000s.

If we can add Ryan West, David Griffin, Trent Redden, and whomever else leaves the Cavaliers' front office in the wake of owner Dan Gilbert's latest fiasco, it would give the Clippers a brain trust that could possibly be the envy of the league if not for the one in San Antonio.

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The Jerry West, David Griffin, Ryan West trifecta.

Jerry hired Griffin in Memphis...

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[TucsonClip]

Oh thats right, for some reason I thought he did hire him.

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wow i was really hoping we'd go after griffin. if we could get him i'd be pleased

it can happennnnnnnnnnnn

The Jerry West, David Griffin, Ryan West trifecta.

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[Ranma]

I'm actually glad to hear that the Clips are exploring dealing DeAndre Jordan. Aside from his lack of free-throw-shooting ability, I have no problems with his athletic abilities, obviously. I've always had problems with his lack of mental acuity and competitive spirit. I wonder if Jerry West's arrival has pushed this issue to the forefront of the front office's concerns. It could also be prompted by Blake Griffin's recent tepid commitment to the franchise, which takes away any concerns about hurting BG's feelings in dealing his buddy away.

DJ has shown that he is not worth an extension beyond his current contract. If we can get something of value for him sooner, the better it will be even if it leaves us a hole in the middle. It may be easier said than done, but today's game doesn't really need a high-paid post presence. We were effective with Cole Aldrich and it has been proven to be easier to find a solid post presence than an athletic wing man. I'd love to trade him in a package for a star player but NBA teams are unlikely to place much value on him, except for ironically enough, maybe Golden State who doesn't have the money to pay him, anyway.

As tweeted below, I also suspect the leak is coming from Phoenix's side as it serves their purpose more than it does ours. Think about it. Would the Clippers really want to put itself in a situation to deal with DJ's fragile temperament?

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[og15]

The trade I've been saying is DJ for a lottery pick and Austin for a mid first rounder. The team I kept saying was Charlotte, but they were able to swipe a disgruntled Howard for much less. A lottery pick is what the Clippers need to look into.

Get two wing players, then try and trade back for Cole Aldrich and then get another C to play C by committee, or just get multiple C's to play by committee

The Phoenix trade would be great if real, but who knows. I don't know what Phoenix is planning / thinking though and how that works for them.

[Method28]

The trade I've been saying is DJ for a lottery pick and Austin for a mid first rounder. The team I kept saying was Charlotte, but they were able to swipe a disgruntled Howard for much less. A lottery pick is what the Clippers need to look into.

Get two wing players, then try and trade back for Cole Aldrich and then get another C to play C by committee, or just get multiple C's to play by committee

The Phoenix trade would be great if real, but who knows. I don't know what Phoenix is planning / thinking though and how that works for them.

It seems Phx has been in a similar boat as the Mavs, in terms of searching for and trying to lock down a star player. They've been unsuccessful as of yet. Id be all for trading DJ for that deal if we could flip that pick for Butler

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[og15]

It looks like Phoenix wants to move their lottery pick it was reported that they were willing to trade it for Love before David Griffin left. Clippers should see if they can work on something with Phoenix.

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[UKClipperfan]

It looks like Phoenix wants to move their lottery pick it was reported that they were willing to trade it for Love before David Griffin left. Clippers should see if they can work on something with Phoenix.

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For who tho? I'm holding out hope that we bring the band back together but with the addition of Melo. Whether that be with the trade discussed at length or via buyout like Stephen A Smith said. If its for PG then I totally get it, but I'm not sure DJ on the final year of his contract is worth #4 to Phoenix.

[Ranma]

It looks like Phoenix wants to move their lottery pick it was reported that they were willing to trade it for Love before David Griffin left. Clippers should see if they can work on something with Phoenix.

The Lakers have been trying to secure additional lottery picks with the intention of sending one to Indiana for Paul George as they are reluctant to give up the 2nd overall selection. The Pacers are now taking their time to consider offers since the implosion in Cleveland. The Lakers' current offer of Randle/Clarkson + the 27th and 28th picks is on the table but not inspiring much motivation for Indiana to pull the trigger.

Given that, the Clippers likely offered DJ for Phoenix's 4th overall pick only for the Suns to thumb their nose at it. With the Clips' reported interest also in George, one would think that we had intentions of transferring that pick to Indiana for PG13. I know the Clippers are also aiming to be aggressive to get a second-round pick for ourselves, but it would also make sense that our exploratory interest in gauging Jordan's value could be interpreted as offering him to the other teams in the lottery with the same intention of ultimately securing Paul George.

Even if we secure a lower lottery pick for DJ, we may have to add a sweetener to package such a pick to the Suns in order to convince them to hand their pick over so that we can offer it to the Pacers. However, that would be a tall order given our lack of available assets.

Would Indiana or anyone else be interested in a sign-and-trade for Redick as part of the package? Would Redick want to move his wife to Indiana or somewhere outside of Florida or New York? How about Jamal Crawford and/or Austin Rivers as sweetener(s)?

For who tho? I'm holding out hope that we bring the band back together but with the addition of Melo. Whether that be with the trade discussed at length or via buyout like Stephen A Smith said. If its for PG then I totally get it, but I'm not sure DJ on the final year of his contract is worth #4 to Phoenix.

Per my comments above, we are lacking in available attractive assets, but hopefully, Jerry West can make chicken soup out of chicken poop. With regards to DeAndre Jordan, he technically has a player option for 2018-19 at just over $24 million. While he could opt out for a bigger deal, he'd risk losing that big payday as his value to the Clippers would be more than other teams, which should be reflected by his production once traded. That obviously doesn't make him any more attractive as a trade asset, but it's something to keep in mind when everyone outside of possibly a deluded DJ knows he's not a max player.

Our best hope may be trading DJ, Junior Rivers, and a signed-and-traded Redick to the Knicks for their 8th overall pick. We would then offer that pick to Indiana for the privilege to trade for Paul George as a possible rental. We would obviously have to take back contracts from the Knicks to make it happen.

Below is my breakdown and framework of my proposed deal. It should still work even with the $3-million salary slot assigned to the 8th overall pick in the 2017 NBA Draft. The problem is that such a deal would limit our flexibility to pursue LeBron James next year unless we unload Joakim Noah's contract by packaging him with a future first-round pick, which isn't guaranteed to appeal to anyone since we would only be able to offer our 2021 pick with the one in 2019 currently owed to the Celtics.

Breakdown

• Indiana gets lottery pick in 2017 NBA Draft with 8th overall selection
• New York gets 3 NBA starters in DeAndre Jordan, J.J. Redick, and Austin Rivers
• Clippers get Paul George with 1 year remaining on his contract as either rental or use Bird rights to re-sign him in added efforts to lure LeBron James in the summer of 2018 off-season

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Jamal Crawford is not a sweetener for anything lol

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[UKClipperfan]

For who tho? I'm holding out hope that we bring the band back together but with the addition of Melo. Whether that be with the trade discussed at length or via buyout like Stephen A Smith said. If its for PG then I totally get it, but I'm not sure DJ on the final year of his contract is worth #4 to Phoenix.

Per my comments above, we are lacking in available attractive assets, but hopefully, Jerry West can make chicken soup out of chicken poop. With regards to DeAndre Jordan, he technically has a player option for the 2018-19 at just over $24 million. While he could opt out for a bigger deal, he'd risk losing that big payday as his value to the Clippers would be more than other teams, which should be reflected by his production once traded. That obviously doesn't make him any more attractive as a trade asset, but it something to keep in mind when everyone outside of possibly a deluded DJ knows he's not a max player.

Our best hope may be trading DJ, Junior Rivers, and a sign-and-traded Redick to the Knicks for their 8th overall pick. We would then offer that pick to Indiana for the privilege to trade for Paul George as a possible rental. We would obviously have to take back contracts from the Knicks to make it happen.

Below is my breakdown and framework of my proposed deal. It should still work even with the $3-million salary slot assigned to the 8th overall pick in the 2017 NBA Draft. The problem is that such a deal would limit our flexibility to pursue LeBron James next year unless we unload Joakim Noah's contract by packaging him with a future first-round pick, which isn't guaranteed to appeal to anyone since we would only be able to offer our 2021 pick with the one in 2019 currently owed to the Celtics.

Breakdown

• Indiana gets lottery pick in 2017 NBA Draft with 8th overall selection
• New York gets 3 NBA starters in DeAndre Jordan, J.J. Redick, and Austin Rivers
• Clippers get Paul George with 1 year remaining on contract as either rental or use Bird rights to re-sign in added efforts to lure LeBron James in summer of 2018 off-season

The Knicks would be more interesting. #4 feels too valuable to make anything work. At the same time I doubt the Knicks would be interested in win now players like DJ or JJ, feels like they're committed to the process rebuilding. The only team that comes to mind that DJ would really improve is the Bucks. Now that Monroe has opted in, I think something could work there.

• Indiana gets #8 and Monroe's expiring contract
• New York gets #17, Thon Maker, Austin Rivers, future Clippers 1st, future Bucks 1st
• Milwaukee gets DJ
• Clippers get Paul George and Courtney Lee

[og15]

No one knows what the Knicks are trying to do. Phil Jackson recently traded for Rose and signed Noah to a long contract. Who knows what he is really trying to do. Every move they make baffles me.

Don't think Milwaukee has any intent on trading Thon Maker for a guy like DJ, they seem to like him too much. DJ is much further from the age and development path of the rest of their players