2023 Trade Deadline Thread: Conley/VanVleet/Lowry/etc. (Updated thread)

[madmaxmedia]

Clippers gonna/gotta get somebody

Mann is no starting point guard
or even a backup point guard

Reggie doing well as the backup but overmatched as a starter
something's got to give

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Lowry is not better than Wall at this point.

I haven't seen him play this year and I'm sure you're right. But he's still 12/4 with 5.4 apg, which is better than Mann or Reggie and I think Kawhi and PG will follow Lowry [or Conley] as their leader.

We have a 4th-quarter problem.. The Kawhi-PG two-man game is not getting it done. Law Murray is on the case.

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something's got to give

So just get the game into OT and we're gold right?

As far as Lowry goes, isn't he almost certainly negative trade value at this point? He's $28M this year and $29M next year fully guaranteed. He's not toxic like Westbrook but his salary far outweighs his production. I'm not sure how much Miami is actually trying to move him (they may not be for all I know), but if they are he should be an easy get if you have expiring money to offer, or say Marcus plus filler. Then we put actual assets towards a big.

To me that's the reasonable scenario for a hypothetical Lowry acquisition. If any positive assets are involved, no way- he's too much of a cap burden next year.

[esqtvd]

Lowry is not better than Wall at this point.

I haven't seen him play this year and I'm sure you're right. But he's still 12/4 with 5.4 apg, which is better than Mann or Reggie and I think Kawhi and PG will follow Lowry [or Conley] as their leader.

We have a 4th-quarter problem.. The Kawhi-PG two-man game is not getting it done. Law Murray is on the case.

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something's got to give

So just get the game into OT and we're gold right?

As far as Lowry goes, isn't he almost certainly negative trade value at this point? He's $28M this year and $29M next year fully guaranteed. He's not toxic like Westbrook but his salary far outweighs his production. I'm not sure how much Miami is actually trying to move him (they may not be for all I know), but if they are he should be an easy get if you have expiring money to offer, or say Marcus plus filler. Then we put actual assets towards a big.

To me that's the reasonable scenario for a hypothetical Lowry acquisition. If any positive assets are involved, no way- he's too much of a cap burden next year.

I took the rumor mill at its word that the Clippers are sniffing around Lowry. I didn't know his cap situation was so toxic.

Still, Mann was minus-20 again tonight, 12 points in 25 minutes with ZERO assists. Something's gotta give.

[I don't think he's the problem but I also think he can't fix it.]

[KL2]

I wonder if Lowry would be more motivated reunited with Leonard?

That money though.

[madmaxmedia]

I haven't seen him play this year and I'm sure you're right. But he's still 12/4 with 5.4 apg, which is better than Mann or Reggie and I think Kawhi and PG will follow Lowry [or Conley] as their leader.

We have a 4th-quarter problem.. The Kawhi-PG two-man game is not getting it done. Law Murray is on the case.

Read on Twitter

something's got to give

So just get the game into OT and we're gold right?

As far as Lowry goes, isn't he almost certainly negative trade value at this point? He's $28M this year and $29M next year fully guaranteed. He's not toxic like Westbrook but his salary far outweighs his production. I'm not sure how much Miami is actually trying to move him (they may not be for all I know), but if they are he should be an easy get if you have expiring money to offer, or say Marcus plus filler. Then we put actual assets towards a big.

To me that's the reasonable scenario for a hypothetical Lowry acquisition. If any positive assets are involved, no way- he's too much of a cap burden next year.

I took the rumor mill at its word that the Clippers are sniffing around Lowry. I didn't know his cap situation was so toxic.

Still, Mann was minus-20 again tonight, 12 points in 25 minutes with ZERO assists. Something's gotta give.

[I don't think he's the problem but I also think he can't fix it.]

One team's trash is another team's (sort of) treasure, right?

Any number of players might make sense for the Clippers, if the deal is right. That's the way I think about Lowry. We have some trade assets but our greatest asset is probably Ballmer's pocketbook. If Miami could use Morris, then that's half of Lowry's salary this year and next. I wouldn't trade for Lowry though unless we also brought in a somewhat athletic big (similar to what I think about Conley.) But getting an older point guard on the cheap gives us the opportunity to trade for a decent big. Lowry is probably the worst of them, but in the right deal who knows. I mean a few years ago we got a 1st round pick just for picking up Mo Harkless, and last year we got Norm for peanuts (thus far Keon's FG% is actually worse than BBJ.)

[esqtvd]

I wonder if Lowry would be more motivated reunited with Leonard?

That money though.

Yes, well, exactly.

Ballmer doesn't care about the money. Buy out the second year. It's just more luxury tax. at $200 million a year, Ballmer will run out of money [checking calculator]

about 132 years after he's dead!!


Yes, to your larger point, not only would Lowry be revitalized with a change of scenery

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so would Kawhi! I love Reggie Jackson and I think he's the heart of this Clippers team, but he can do that as the backup. It's Kawhi who needs a change of scenery!!

[KL2]

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[KL2]

The Heat have traded Dedmon to the Spurs. I believe some were interested in him here.

[donemilio21]

We need a guard who is a playmaker, can control the tempo in the 4th and is not a minus defender on the floor.
FVV does not fit that bill at all IMO. Lowry did 2 years ago, not anymore. Conley is that guy. Russell could be that guy (maybe).
We obviously are not gonna get someone who'd cost 3 FRPs, but they are other players who might be available and fit that bill to a point. Jordan Clarkson or Monte Morris come to mind.

[ejftw]

Dedmon could be a buy out candidate, interesting to see what Pop decided

[donemilio21]

The Heat have traded Dedmon to the Spurs. I believe some were interested in him here.

he is better than Zu on the offense but also not a good defender. If he is free, I'd take him, but don't see him as a substantial upgrade for a back-up over Moses Brown.
It is concerning that Zu is our only true center, and if he were to be injured we'd be f'ed.
If Spurs got Dedmond though, I think they might be willing to just throw Dieng to us.
Ideal combo to acquire would be Monte Morris and Daniel Gafford from Wizards for Wall, Coffey, Diabate and a couple of 2nd round picks.

[The High Cyde]

Is Dragic completely washed? He might be a decent low cost point guard.

[Clemenza]

I haven't seen him play this year and I'm sure you're right. But he's still 12/4 with 5.4 apg, which is better than Mann or Reggie and I think Kawhi and PG will follow Lowry [or Conley] as their leader.

We have a 4th-quarter problem.. The Kawhi-PG two-man game is not getting it done. Law Murray is on the case.

Read on Twitter

something's got to give

So just get the game into OT and we're gold right?

As far as Lowry goes, isn't he almost certainly negative trade value at this point? He's $28M this year and $29M next year fully guaranteed. He's not toxic like Westbrook but his salary far outweighs his production. I'm not sure how much Miami is actually trying to move him (they may not be for all I know), but if they are he should be an easy get if you have expiring money to offer, or say Marcus plus filler. Then we put actual assets towards a big.

To me that's the reasonable scenario for a hypothetical Lowry acquisition. If any positive assets are involved, no way- he's too much of a cap burden next year.

I took the rumor mill at its word that the Clippers are sniffing around Lowry. I didn't know his cap situation was so toxic.

Still, Mann was minus-20 again tonight, 12 points in 25 minutes with ZERO assists. Something's gotta give.

[I don't think he's the problem but I also think he can't fix it.]

I think Mann would have be a nice stop gap at power forward. Defends, rebounds, takes it to the paint, a few threes, a blocked shot or two. that's ten times the amount of things than Morris does out there.

[shrink]

I thought you guys might want an update from MIN’s best insider, Jon Krawcinski from the Athletic

- Several teams have been inquiring about Russell. Namely the Clippers. However, as of yet they havent added Terrence Mann to discussions

- Naz Reid will be here after the deadline unless they get a cant miss offer - given his contract, that likely wont happen

- There is mutual interest in signing Naz to an extension, but the money has to be right for Naz to sign it. (I assume the $10m floated)

Also

We need a guard who is a playmaker, can control the tempo in the 4th and is not a minus defender on the floor.
FVV does not fit that bill at all IMO. Lowry did 2 years ago, not anymore. Conley is that guy. Russell could be that guy (maybe).

DLo is a combo guard who is a good passer, and is having the best shooting numbers of his life - coinciding with playing more SG. He’s a very good passer (#10 in NBA in Assists), but sometimes has trouble balancing when to shoot and when to pass, which leads to some dumb turnovers. Offensively, he’d be an asset with the ball in his hands, or maybe even better when it’s not. I think he’s clearly a negative defender. He is smart and calls out opponent’s plays to help defenders, but he’s not athletic and his recent increase in effort may only be because he’s playing for his next contract.

MIN might be motivated to trade DLo because if he walks, they are too far above the salary cap to replace him. So far, MIN seems to be unwilling to meet DLo’s extension request. The Wolves could offer a deal this summer. DLo has been very much the team-player this year, which surprised me a little, so who knows.

[clipsfever]

Dedmon expected to be waived... Bulls faking that Drummond is coming off the table, but nobody believes them.

[KL2]

Nets are trading Kessler Edwards to the Kings.

Dedmon will be bought out or waived by the Spurs.

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[MartinToVaught]

I've completely lost faith in this front office. They're going to get fleeced once again for an old, washed player and then wonder why we can't beat teams like the Nuggets and Pelicans.

[madmaxmedia]

I've completely lost faith in this front office. They're going to get fleeced once again for an old, washed player and then wonder why we can't beat teams like the Nuggets and Pelicans.

When did we get fleeced before for an old, washed player? Okay we took a cheap one-year flyer on John Wall, but that's all I can remember. Last trade deadline we got Norman Powell in exchange for an old, washed player and a washed draft pick.

With our trade assets there's not much available.

[nickhx2]

hope we get fleeced again for another norman powell type deal

[KL2]

I know it’s hard to wait. Some of these rumors are less than desirable. But let’s see what they actually do before we rant or rave. And yes I’m guilty of not following my own advice at times too.

[ejftw]

I've completely lost faith in this front office. They're going to get fleeced once again for an old, washed player and then wonder why we can't beat teams like the Nuggets and Pelicans.

Once again? What was the last time they were fleeced? Hell, franchise history doesn't have many deals like that, which is shocking on how bad we are.

I'm assuming you mean the PG deal, no one would consider that a fleece when Kawhi is also taken into consideration, and, back then, folks weren't high on Shai.