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[nickhx2]

the robert sarver suns are a complete joke

wish i could feel bad for their fans, but after the last couple years of watching so many of them act like laker fans, NOPE

[KL2]

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I’m confused. One is saying they can still do a sign/trade and the other says no. Never mind I get it. Until he signs the offer sheet they can still a do a sign/trade. Hopefully this gets the ball rolling on other moves now.

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[og15]

Well, I guess that one is over

[esqtvd]

Well, I guess that one is over

Suns could trade Ayton as soon as Jan. 15 once sheet is matched.

Lob City II crashes and burns and Ayton is way better than DJ. Do the math.

[KL2]

What a read. His agent with some telling statements. Obvious Westbrook wants out any means necessary.

Imagine what’s happening behind the scenes.

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[esqtvd]

What a read. His agent with some telling statements. Obvious Westbrook wants out any means necessary.

Imagine what’s happening behind the scenes.

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Greatest agent in sports history to get him that contract in the first place.

[KL2]

Another steal for the Warriors.

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[TrueLAfan]

Another steal for the Warriors.

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Maybe. I really think he's a 13-14th man on that team. They resigned Looney, Wiseman looked good in Summer League, and Kuminga has put on about 10 pounds--he's listed at 6'8" 220, but that's what he was at a Nike camp when he was 17. I think he's closer to 6'9" 230 now--and he's going to get some time at PF. Those three and, of course, Draymond and Wiggins will all get minutes at PF over JMG. I'd be surprised if he gets 15 mpg and played 65 games. For nothing, he's a good deal obviously. But I don't think he's going to help them unless they get really hit by injuries and/or young guys don't develop.

[esqtvd]

Another steal for the Warriors.

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Maybe. I really think he's a 13-14th man on that team. They resigned Looney, Wiseman looked good in Summer League, and Kuminga has put on about 10 pounds--he's listed at 6'8" 220, but that's what he was at a Nike camp when he was 17. I think he's closer to 6'9" 230 now--and he's going to get some time at PF. Those three and, of course, Draymond and Wiggins will all get minutes at PF over JMG. I'd be surprised if he gets 15 mpg and played 65 games. For nothing, he's a good deal obviously. But I don't think he's going to help them unless they get really hit by injuries and/or young guys don't develop.

Yeah, that's a meh from me too.

His stats always looked shinier than his production because he played a lot of soft minutes, not when the chips were down. Disappears for long stretches too, which is my big complaint--it's not that they stink, it's they go up and down the floor for minutes at a time without really affecting the game. Their percentages stay up, but they're not contributing to the bottom line.

In NBA-talk, J-Myke is "a guy." Won't hurt you, won't help too much either.

[madmaxmedia]

He was a very nice pickup for us, but is certainly not any kind of impact player now. He shot the 3 really well for us which was great, but he has a pretty slow release which relegates him to 4th option type guy.

[og15]

Green is a solid rotation players. Guys that can fill minutes without hurting you are more valuable than people give them credit for. They are always more appreciated when you have a team with players who hurt you in their minutes.

Green is a guy you can slot in and will keep whatever lineup he's on with at par with its ability level. He won't make them particularly better and he won't make them worse.

[esqtvd]

Green is a solid rotation players. Guys that can fill minutes without hurting you are not valuable than people give them credit for. They are always more appreciated when you have a team with players who hurt you in their minutes.

Green is a guy you can slot in and will keep whatever lineup he's on with at par with its ability level. He won't make them particularly better and he won't make them worse.

LITTLE KNOWN FACT: J-Myke played more minutes than Trezz in the Disney Bubble Debacle.

[esqtvd]

Logo does not suffer fools gladly

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[og15]

Jerry and Redick both said things that were correct and Cousy wasn't really a player from West's era. West admits that guys did have second jobs. Redick just said it in a disrespectful way, that's the real issue, not that what he said was incorrect.

[wco81]

If Cousy shot under 40% and had no left hand, why is he in the HoF?

[og15]

If Cousy shot under 40% and had no left hand, why is he in the HoF?

Someone had to be Cousy for there to be the players that followed. Of course no professional league at that time is going to have it's best possible pool of players top to bottom 10 years into its existence, even 20 years, especially when it's reach, development, basically everything is in its infancy.

In this day and age a league's development can be accelerated much quicker due to the different reach, access and development that can be done even remotely for some aspects.

Basketball development is very different now, not only do we have all the knowledge of the past, right now we can watch players on demand and take their moves, etc.

In the 80's and 90's you had less than now, but at least you could see players more on TV, you could buy VHS and DVD's of games, and in the 90's skill development VHS or DVD. In the 50's there was none of that and most young players didn't even get a chance to see professionals play to be able to copy them, let alone be able to basically have a whole skill development workout from YouTube (which you couldn't even do 20 years ago). Young players now have 100's of trainers, there's a league where they can find good competition basically everywhere or within reach.

Cousy was the precursor for all these guys, he didn't have all their knowledge and advantages, so unless the idea is that no one from the 50's should be in the HOF, which simply is unfair and unreasonable.

[wco81]

I get it, he played for a long time on the dominant team of the era and his team won in spite of his shortcomings. So he gets rewarded for being on a winning team for a long time.

Weird, Cousy played 7 games in '69-70 season at age 41 after having been retired for 6 years.

I thought maybe his career might have overlapped with Maravich's career, one of the most skilled players of all time.

But Maravich started his career in '70-71. Apparently didn't play with 3 pointers until his last season, '79-80.


Probably true about skills development and the era was dominated by big men so if he shot jumpers, probably as a last resort.

Would be interesting to see the shot charts from that era.

[og15]

I get it, he played for a long time on the dominant team of the era and his team won in spite of his shortcomings. So he gets rewarded for being on a winning team for a long time.

Weird, Cousy played 7 games in '69-70 season at age 41 after having been retired for 6 years.

I thought maybe his career might have overlapped with Maravich's career, one of the most skilled players of all time.

But Maravich started his career in '70-71. Apparently didn't play with 3 pointers until his last season, '79-80.


Probably true about skills development and the era was dominated by big men so if he shot jumpers, probably as a last resort.

Would be interesting to see the shot charts from that era.

Shot selection was definitely at its primitive stage for sure

[og15]

Random, but okay Scottie:

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[nickhx2]

thought his hips got caught in the wrong spot at :04 and thought harden was gonna glide right by him but he's not definitely not capable of that lol, at least not anymore

raps really found a gem in scottie barnes.