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Re: Trade Discussion Part 3 (News, Rumors & Ideas) 

Post#261 » by Neddy » Sun Oct 23, 2016 9:33 pm

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QRich3 wrote:Yeah, Jamal's still really good at scoring in isolation, he was the 5th most efficient last year among players with at least 100 such possessions, right between Lillard and Durant. The problem is, even for the best in the league, isolations are still not very efficient possessions. So it's great to have a guy like that for broken plays to bail you out, but the problem, as we know, is when he takes too many of those possessions instead of deferring to say, let the best playmaker in the game and the best roll man in the league run a much more efficient pick'n'roll. If he was ready to be a role player and not bite more than he can chew, he'd be a really valuable piece to have, even with his bad defense. But we know he's never gonna be that.


whenever he is on the floor, it is obvious that we need the ball out of his hands until the clock in in a single digit. thus I advocate for Felton to be our primary backup PG and not Austin.

Yeah Felton should definitely be our full time back up PG, we'll see if Doc thinks the same. Although I like Austin defending opposing PGs more than anyone else on the bench, and on offense I like him much more playing next to a competent PG like Felton. He is not ready to run an offense by himself, that's for sure. And a lot of the time he shares the backcourt with Crawford, it's Jamal running things, which is probably even worse.


it seems like another lifetime ago when Austin Rivers was ranked #1 by Rivals in high school. but then again, that was a life time ago in terms of NBA's life span. Doc and Austin cannot live in that past. they must, in particular the son Austin must, find a way to carve his nitch in NBA. I don't think that path involves him being a PG. he needs to work on his shooting, continue to work on his defense, and maybe he can eventually live up to the contract that was a legacy program deal we haven't seen in clipperland before.
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Re: Trade Discussion Part 3 (News, Rumors & Ideas) 

Post#262 » by nickhx2 » Sun Oct 23, 2016 11:12 pm

yeah i remember that lifetime ago that draft class was mega hyped, like can't miss stars all in the lottery.

as far as austin rivers himself, i think it is a little remarkable how busted he was initially and how he's now a serviceable nba player. i do wish, though, that he'd improve his shooting mechanics. he could be an eric gordon-lite for us in that manner if his shot wasn't so inconsistent.
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Re: Trade Discussion Part 3 (News, Rumors & Ideas) 

Post#263 » by mattd13 » Mon Oct 24, 2016 12:44 pm

Austin is a very lucky guy. if it was not for doc he would most likely be in the d league. I am sure people have been working on his shot for years just as dj has been working on his free throws. to expect a big change in that is unrealistic. plus with his inflated opinion of himself he is what he is. not smart enough for pg or a good enough shooter for anything else. he is a marginal nba player who is overrated on defense as well. his contract is an embarrassment to the clippers.
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Re: Trade Discussion Part 3 (News, Rumors & Ideas) 

Post#265 » by og15 » Tue Oct 25, 2016 11:08 pm

mattd13 wrote:Austin is a very lucky guy. if it was not for doc he would most likely be in the d league. I am sure people have been working on his shot for years just as dj has been working on his free throws. to expect a big change in that is unrealistic. plus with his inflated opinion of himself he is what he is. not smart enough for pg or a good enough shooter for anything else. he is a marginal nba player who is overrated on defense as well. his contract is an embarrassment to the clippers.

His shot form is certainly pukey, but he's had some decent shooting seasons and stretches. 36.4% 3PT on 99 3PA in his second season, and then 40% 3PT post All-Star break last season. His 33.5% 3PT last season was actually not bad for him and considering he just turned 24 years old he's not yet at the no more hope stage.

Kyle Lowry for example was a 26.4% 3PT shoot for his first 4 seasons from 20-24. Then starting his second season in Houston when he shot 37.6% 3PT, he's shot 37.1% 3PT since then on 5.5 3PA/G. Not really expecting that from Austin, but just helping us know that he's not at the stage where you say "he is who he is".
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Post#266 » by nickhx2 » Wed Oct 26, 2016 4:32 am

When someone ignores his age, ignores that he's been getting better, and thinks that he's capped out on his growth as a player it really tells you who has perspective on him and who doesn't. You see it all the time on t/t board with people who were legit going out of their minds with the contract he got, yet somehow had relatively zero issue with jamal crawford getting more money. I mean, consider the alternative: let austin go and you're short a guy who is a quasi-playoff hero, who is 24, a good defender, an improving player, and you're still completely screwed by the cap.

Adding onto that, i think kyle lowry is a great example of a guy who didn't do anything his first few years, going on to having a breakout season in houston. And on top of that he got even better. Or look no further than jj redick as to what a player can become even after years and years in the league. Austin can be a good player if he simply figures out some better shot mechanics. He can do even more than that if he improves other skills as well and there is still a lot of time for him to grow.
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Re: Trade Discussion Part 3 (News, Rumors & Ideas) 

Post#267 » by mattd13 » Wed Oct 26, 2016 12:34 pm

I really hope I am wrong on Austin but I have been watching this game a long time and his ego will get in the way. as for jamal I was amazed as everyone on that deal. the problem is the window of opportunity with the core group. this team does not have time on a maybe with Austin. I however am sure he will get every chance to make it as long as doc is in charge. I live in florida and have seen him since high school and at duke. has always been full of himself.
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Post#268 » by nickhx2 » Wed Oct 26, 2016 6:48 pm

i'm with you in that he has a gigantic ego. this is a guy who flat out said he was better than some of the players on the olympic team. that's obviously laughable.

that said, and for the time being, his ego doesn't seem to be getting in the way of his progress the way it would many other players who've come into the league and causing them to bust out. and he hasn't caused rifts, made waves, or made it seem like he deserved more play time over anyone else, which are chemistry issues that generally come with young, arrogant players.

so while on a personal level i don't at all care for people like that, i don't see how his personality is at all a negative to either his team or his own progress. he seems to care about becoming a better player and i take him for his word when he says he wants to become a great defender.
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Re: Trade Discussion Part 3 (News, Rumors & Ideas) 

Post#269 » by mattd13 » Thu Oct 27, 2016 12:01 am

I totally agree and he is in a great situation for someone like him. I truly hope it works out for the clippers. really like this group and hope they can make it their year.
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Re: Trade Discussion Part 3 (News, Rumors & Ideas) 

Post#270 » by og15 » Thu Oct 27, 2016 11:59 pm

Marresse Speights or Brandon Bass for Cole Aldrich even though the salaries don't work. I would love the bench unit with Aldrich at C.
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Re: Trade Discussion Part 3 (News, Rumors & Ideas) 

Post#271 » by Captain Ballmer » Sun Nov 13, 2016 10:42 am

It's still too early in the season but i'm feeling that involving in a trade offer could ruin this great team chemistry we have. this is the year we shouldn't trade at all... not only any of our guys but also adding in return would change the roles and could make things go south so a No for even Rudy Gay-Jamal Crawford Deal!

No paul pierce in the rotation? Checked
Less playing time and isoball from Jamal Crawford? Checked indeed.
Steady minute distrubition for our bench guys? Checked.

I like wins but i like most when our guys happy on the court while playing hell of a games. Please, just close the thread.
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Re: Trade Discussion Part 3 (News, Rumors & Ideas) 

Post#272 » by nickhx2 » Sun Nov 13, 2016 5:01 pm

i mean, nobody had brought up any trades for several weeks until you just now revived the thread lol

right now i think most trade talk is premature but if by some miracle you could swap a rudy gay for a jamal crawford you might as well just start counting your rings right then and there. just don't know how he would take coming off the bench behind the prince of defense
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Re: Trade Discussion Part 3 (News, Rumors & Ideas) 

Post#273 » by Neddy » Sun Nov 13, 2016 9:16 pm

we still talking about trades?
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Post#274 » by nickhx2 » Sun Nov 13, 2016 9:52 pm

what the team needs right now is practice!

and for cole to come back
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Re: Trade Discussion Part 3 (News, Rumors & Ideas) 

Post#275 » by Neddy » Sun Nov 13, 2016 11:00 pm

nickhx2 wrote:what the team needs right now is practice!

and for cole to come back


I know things will change in a hurry as the season gets deeper, but right now Mo is one of the best players we have, if not the best off the bench. I think one of the biggest reasons why it is working out so well, is that Mo stretches the floor like Doc has always wanted from bench big with a small lineup around him.
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Re: Trade Discussion Part 3 (News, Rumors & Ideas) 

Post#276 » by og15 » Sun Nov 13, 2016 11:30 pm

If Cole was on the team, both him and Mo would play together :)

We can always trade Paul Pierce if people want to have trade discussions
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Re: Trade Discussion Part 3 (News, Rumors & Ideas) 

Post#277 » by nickhx2 » Sun Nov 13, 2016 11:33 pm

og15 wrote:If Cole was on the team, both him and Mo would play together :)

We can always trade Paul Pierce if people want to have trade discussions


trading jamal and getting cole back would be my dream.

you just shift mo/wes down to the 4 and the 3 and you hold your hands open for all the rings that are about to fall down into them.
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Re: Trade Discussion Part 3 (News, Rumors & Ideas) 

Post#278 » by og15 » Sun Nov 13, 2016 11:35 pm

BTW, Jamal is leading the league by far in percentage of his FGA as isolation plays, he's at 36%, more than double the percentage of CP for example who is at 15.2%. The surprising one there btw is Harrison Barnes, 1.23 ppp in isolation? What?
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Re: Trade Discussion Part 3 (News, Rumors & Ideas) 

Post#279 » by nickhx2 » Sun Nov 13, 2016 11:56 pm

i think it's basically cause they were like "well, dirk's out so you better earn that money"
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Re: Trade Discussion Part 3 (News, Rumors & Ideas) 

Post#280 » by UKClipperfan » Mon Nov 21, 2016 11:13 pm

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/244066/Omri-Casspi-Dave-Joerger-Havent-Talked-Since-Preseason

Omg Casspi would be a great rotation guy on this roster, we need to get him asap!

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