Harden may be coming here?

KL2 · Post #261 » by **KL2** » Tue Oct 31, 2023 1:27 pm

Well. I went to bed early last night with a migraine. Woke up to all this. Yeah. Not sure how I feel about this.

Poor Batum.

Dynamix · Post #262 » by **Dynamix** » Tue Oct 31, 2023 1:31 pm

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KL2 · Post #263 » by **KL2** » Tue Oct 31, 2023 1:48 pm

Can’t wait to see Batum and/or RoCo flipped to a rival now.

Fingers crossed the Clippers have a deal for a PF because Tucker isn’t enough. Brown can barely sniff garbage minutes. Leonard full time isn’t good either.

What’s Ballmer going to do to build a team when all these guys retire and no draft picks to use?

Maybe I need more coffee to accept this deal. 4 ball dominant players and one ball. Sheeesh.

MartinToVaught · Post #264 » by **MartinToVaught** » Tue Oct 31, 2023 1:50 pm

Everything about this is awful except that we're finally free of Marcus Morris and we didn't trade Mann. We are still an old, slow, no-upside team that won't beat Denver and we just gave away more picks to lock ourselves in to a team that's not good enough. Harden's going to quit at the slightest adversity. Frank needs to be fired.

Roscoe Sheed · Post #265 » by **Roscoe Sheed** » Tue Oct 31, 2023 1:57 pm

Why are people upset about this trade? The Clippers didn't have to give up Mann or Powell. True- they traded all of their power forwards but they were all subpar anyway and they got a solid defensive player back in Tucker. I'm sad to see Batum go, but all things considered this a good trade. Harden is a great distributor with superb court vision and can still score. They had a talent deficit as compared with the top teams in the west and they addressed it in this trade

KL2 · Post #266 » by **KL2** » Tue Oct 31, 2023 2:12 pm

Concerned is a better word. Not sure Lue has what it takes to make this work.

Tucker is not what he used to be. I understand why Philly fans wanted him included in any Harden trade. Can he have a resurgence here? We’ll find out.

Harden and Russ starting isn’t moving me right now. Leonard at PF full time is a big concern even with the way the league has changed.

Powell has become a ball stopper so keeping him isn’t that great imo. If he can be flipped maybe.

We kept Mann, sure, but he will surely be needed in the next trade to balance this roster out again. That’s the move that will make it all make sense imo.

MartinToVaught · Post #267 » by **MartinToVaught** » Tue Oct 31, 2023 2:27 pm

Roscoe Sheed wrote:Why are people upset about this trade? The Clippers didn't have to give up Mann or Powell. True- they traded all of their power forwards but they were all subpar anyway and they got a solid defensive player back in Tucker. I'm sad to see Batum go, but all things considered this a good trade. Harden is a great distributor with superb court vision and can still score. They had a talent deficit as compared with the top teams in the west and they addressed it in this trade

Tucker isn't the answer to our hole at the 4. This isn't Rockets/Bucks Tucker, he's been washed up for a few years now. He's pushing 40 years old. I'd rather give Petrusev a chance but we all know Lue won't. Tucker will just be this year's Morris.

Harden is fool's gold for reasons that have been discussed ad nauseum.

I genuinely don't see how we've addressed any of our flaws with this trade. Yesterday, we had the oldest team in the league with very little size, athleticism or upside and no answer for Jokic. Today, we have... the oldest team in the league with very little size, athleticism or upside and no answer for Jokic. The only thing that's changed is that we have even fewer draft picks to rebuild with after this team implodes.

It's like Frank is trying to follow the 2006 Heat blueprint with all these over-the-hill veterans. But that team only worked because it had a 24-year-old Wade. We don't have anyone like that. And Lue is no Pat Riley.

ERClips · Post #268 » by **ERClips** » Tue Oct 31, 2023 2:41 pm

There is no ‘answer’ for Jokic in the league so that’s a non issue. From the small sample I’ve seen Kobe is ready to play way more minutes. He’s gonna be a rotation player. I preferred him over KMJ anyway. There’s gotta be another move coming to balance the roster more though. We’re too small

clipsfever · Post #269 » by **clipsfever** » Tue Oct 31, 2023 2:58 pm

https://hoopshype.com/lists/2023-nba-free-agent-top-power-forwards/

clipsfever · Post #270 » by **clipsfever** » Tue Oct 31, 2023 3:09 pm

I'm not doing any fretting... its a decent dice roll given the hole we're in and the odds being faced.

TY did get his clear 9-man rotation

Russ
Beard
PG13
Klaw
Zu
Bones
Norm
Mann
Plum

playaloc916 · Post #271 » by **playaloc916** » Tue Oct 31, 2023 3:09 pm

I think Harden will be motivated playing with Russ, PG and Kawhi. Everyone brings up his history of bailing on teams and poor playoff performance, but each situation was different. And though I might not agree with his moves, I can understand them.

People were saying the same things about Russ... The whole "he sucked with all these other teams, but somehow the Clips think it will be different this time"... I was cautiously optimistic when that trade was announced, and now he's become a very solid piece of the starting lineup. Will Harden screw up the chemistry? Possibly, but I lean towards him adjusting his game and making things work.

That being said, holy moly the PF position is a problem. Got rid of serviceable RiCo, and PJ isn't the answer. They need to pick up an athletic defender. Someone who can provide some size, rebounding and interior defense. I'm thinking one of the guards will probably be moved...

Also, this is pretty much all-in championship or bust. Never know how much longer Kawhi will last as a superstar.

nedleeds · Post #272 » by **nedleeds** » Tue Oct 31, 2023 3:14 pm

playaloc916 wrote:I think Harden will be motivated

KL2 · Post #273 » by **KL2** » Tue Oct 31, 2023 3:17 pm

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clipsfever wrote:https://hoopshype.com/lists/2023-nba-free-agent-top-power-forwards/

They can’t sign anyone right? The only way for them to make moves is through trades. And we have very little assets to do that now. No expiring contracts and no picks worth a lick. So that leaves what? Zu, Mann, Powell, Bones, Boston, and Brown really.

ejftw · Post #274 » by **ejftw** » Tue Oct 31, 2023 3:29 pm

Five guys born and played high school in SoCal along with Jordan Miller, who was born in Anaheim and BJ Boston who played in the Valley.
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At least we have players that should, hopefully, want the rep their hometown right.

madmaxmedia · Post #275 » by **madmaxmedia** » Tue Oct 31, 2023 3:31 pm

We likely weren’t gonna win a title anyway, so this will be interesting to watch and see. We need a second deal to balance the roster, although that doesn’t have to happen immediately. I don’t think losing Nico and RoCo are a big deal at this point, the main loss is sentimental. Losing 3 PF’s (actually 4 for KJM) collectively though has to be made up for.

I think this raises our ceiling a round or maybe two if we catch fire at the right time. I think Harden will be fine this year culture-wise, the big questions for me are fit on the court, and what happens in the off-season.

clipsfever · Post #276 » by **clipsfever** » Tue Oct 31, 2023 3:33 pm

clipsfever wrote:https://hoopshype.com/lists/2023-nba-free-agent-top-power-forwards/

They can’t sign anyone right? The only way for them to make moves is through trades. And we have very little assets to do that now. No expiring contracts and no picks worth a lick. So that leaves what? Zu, Mann, Powell, Bones, and Brown really.

They can sign any FA they want, to a minimum contract, if they have a roster spot. None of those guys are likely to command above the minimum.

Skates · Post #277 » by **Skates** » Tue Oct 31, 2023 3:37 pm

PJ will fit much better on the Clips than he did in Philly, especially under Nurse. Your team has enough scorers that he can park himself out in the corner and hit one or two threes now and again, plus he is really valuable against guys like Jokic if you can play a rim protector behind him. With us PJ left the team playing 4 on 5 on offense (he can't make a layup from the dunker spot with a defensive player anywhere near him) and he isn't the long defender that plays well in a Nick Nurse system, but still excels at positional and strength/smarts based defense. The Sixers also wanted to get off his guaranteed deal for next year, which won't bother your owner a bit to pay.

Harden is Harden and he fits the timeline with Kawhi and PG13 better than he did with Embiid and Maxey. We wanted the picks and expiring mid-sized deals here most of all, Mann was never a fanbase want here.

Good trade for both teams and where they are right now and through to next summer. Good luck out west!

nickhx2 · Post #278 » by **nickhx2** » Tue Oct 31, 2023 3:37 pm

why is Norm Powell still on this team and what is his purpose

big big big time concerns with this trade

madmaxmedia · Post #279 » by **madmaxmedia** » Tue Oct 31, 2023 3:37 pm

clipsfever wrote:
clipsfever wrote:https://hoopshype.com/lists/2023-nba-free-agent-top-power-forwards/

They can’t sign anyone right? The only way for them to make moves is through trades. And we have very little assets to do that now. No expiring contracts and no picks worth a lick. So that leaves what? Zu, Mann, Powell, Bones, and Brown really.

They can sign any FA they want, to a minimum contract, if they have a roster spot. None of those guys are likely to command above the minimum.

I feel like we might be able to get one of them to sign given the opportunity for real PT on a contender? Ideally we also make another trade at some point though.

HardenGoat · Post #280 » by **HardenGoat** » Tue Oct 31, 2023 3:44 pm

I think the team is going to be dangerous AF. Trade deadline and buyouts still an option once the needs are fully assessed. Clippers finally have a true elite point guard.