The Clipper General Board w/Random Thoughts, Youth Development, Ex Clippers Shinin', etc. Extravaganza

[Clemenza]

Good for him.

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Good bless and major props to Moussa & BBJ. They kept fighting, didn't stop the goal, dream, work ethic, and overcame the Taliban Ty Lue-Kawhi suppression system of non-development. Matter of fact we should scratch/bush the entire SD Clippers G League team. Nothing has came from that program whatsoever. Even built them a new arena all for show but with no substance. But I digress, I'll just keep enjoying this Bogdan, Eubanks, and Patty Mills era.

[Bobbymcgee]

Need to keep bringing in washed up and/or mediocre vets instead of developing young players since we are still stuck in the purgatory of the Kawhi Leonard era. Two more seasons of this.

[esqtvd]

Need to keep bringing in washed up and/or mediocre vets instead of developing young players since we are still stuck in the purgatory of the Kawhi Leonard era. Two more seasons of this.

The second year is not guaranteed. If BBJ and Moussa stick with two of the worst teams in the league [which is likely, I suppose], they will be the first Clippers castoffs in recent memory to make good elsewhere although it's still questionable whether they will crack their rotations next year. Mann is doing ok in ATL, but I'm not sure it's 3 yr/$15M a year well. The Clips are probably glad to have replaced him with Dunn and Coffey for far less.

Some people prefer college and minor league ball to the real thing. The SD Clippers can use all the fns they can get, I'm sure, and the tix are far cheaper.

[KL2]

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[Clemenza]

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Not sure if they'll use him, but Bones could be good for them. They need another guy who can create his own shot if DiVincinzo and Julius Randle continue to be out. They have defenders to cover for them. If he contributes and adds something to the team then the "oh, but he's on a bad team" excuse won't fly.

[esqtvd]

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Ouch. A two-way. Meaning every NBA team passed on offering him a real contract, which he surely would have accepted.

Clippers Bottom-6 in plus/minus

KPJ minus-0.6 GONE
Miller minus-1.2 G-LEAGUE
Kobe minus-1.2 G-LEAGUE
Bones minus-1.7 GONE
Bamba minus-1.9 GONE
Mann minus-2.2 GONE

https://www.nba.com/stats/players/traditional?TeamID=1610612746&dir=A&sort=PLUS_MINUS

[Clemenza]

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Ouch. A two-way. Meaning every NBA team passed on offering him a real contract, which he surely would have accepted.

Clippers Bottom-6 in plus/minus

KPJ minus-0.6 GONE
Miller minus-1.2 G-LEAGUE
Kobe minus-1.2 G-LEAGUE
Bones minus-1.7 GONE
Bamba minus-1.9 GONE
Mann minus-2.2 GONE

https://www.nba.com/stats/players/traditional?TeamID=1610612746&dir=A&sort=PLUS_MINUS

There's really no open roster spots during this part of the season after the trade deadline & buyout period. Plus only a few playoff caliber teams would need a scoring guard. Half the teams are either in tanking mode for the draft or they already have their future guards that they're trying to develop.. so they have no need whatsoever for a Bones Hyland. I honestly didn't think he would get a call from a team until the off season for a training camp invite. He got lucky.

[esqtvd]

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Ouch. A two-way. Meaning every NBA team passed on offering him a real contract, which he surely would have accepted.

Clippers Bottom-6 in plus/minus

KPJ minus-0.6 GONE
Miller minus-1.2 G-LEAGUE
Kobe minus-1.2 G-LEAGUE
Bones minus-1.7 GONE
Bamba minus-1.9 GONE
Mann minus-2.2 GONE

https://www.nba.com/stats/players/traditional?TeamID=1610612746&dir=A&sort=PLUS_MINUS

There's really no open roster spots during this part of the season after the trade deadline & buyout period. Plus only a few playoff caliber teams would need a scoring guard. Half the teams are either in tanking mode for the draft or they already have their future guards that they're trying to develop.. so they have no need whatsoever for a Bones Hyland. I honestly didn't think he would get a call from a team until the off season for a training camp invite. He got lucky.

This is another kid who's not a kid anymore. He's 25 in September with a questionable attitude. He has to forget the dream that he's going to be a star in the NBA and figure out what he has to do to even stay in it. This year's 39% shooting percentage and 1:1 assist-to-TO ratio accentuates the problem: If not for a connection with the T-Wolves' president he might be outside looking in right now. I mean, he was in the Mann trade and ATL ate his salary and gave him the boot, preferring to leave his roster spot open. That's cold, man.

[esqtvd]

Anybody watch Quentin Grimes go for 44 in the Sixers' upset of GSW on national TV? Guess who originally drafted him? That's right, us--at #25. Traded for #21 Keon Johnson, who is on his 3rd team [LAC, POR, BRK]. Grimes is on his 4th [NYK, DET, DAL, PHL], not counting us.

"Development" is pretty much an illusion. Very few of these guys drafted in the 20s or later stick with their original team. You either got it or you don't--you contribute quickly or get dumped. The rest kick around and either eventually get it or they don't, and mostly they don't.

ChatGPT said:

The percentage of NBA players drafted #20 or later who "stick" in the league varies depending on how you define "sticking." If we consider players who stay in the league for at least 3-5 seasons, historical draft data suggests:

Late first-round picks (#20-30): About 50-60% last at least a few seasons. Some carve out long careers, while others become fringe players or drop out quickly.
Second-round picks (#31-60): The success rate drops significantly—only 20-30% last multiple seasons. Many second-rounders never get a guaranteed contract.
Undrafted players: A small fraction (under 10%) manage to stick around.

Overall, from pick #20 onward, about 35-45% of players end up lasting at least a few seasons in the NBA. However, only a smaller percentage (around 20% or less) become meaningful long-term contributors.

[Ballings7]

Yeah saw that on Grimes -- impressive, would of never though he'd get a game like that.

Maybe he'll be back one day : )

[Clemenza]

Exactly what we need right now, bench scoring

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[Ballings7]

Kai Jones.. feasting on those Big minutes in Dallas.

Likely was a blow out loss game by the 3rd q, but still a nice showing for Kai

21 pts, 9-10 fg, 9 reb, 1 blk, 1 to, 2 fouls. 34 min. -9

[esqtvd]

Kai Jones.. feasting on those Big minutes in Dallas.
Likely was a blow out loss game by the 3rd q, but still a nice showing for Kai
21 pts, 9-10 fg, 9 reb, 1 blk, 1 to, 2 fouls. 34 min. -9

I was flicking through channels and scores. Yes, it was a blowout. Kai was thrown into the deep end of the pool midway through the first quarter after Kyrie [knee] left the game after only 9 minutes. The Mavs quit after that. 4 bench guys played 24 minutes or more. Kai did well, especially since he's on a two-way. But it was essentially a G-League game.

I've been called a Mann-hater but all I ever said was: You is what you is. Tonight was a typical T-Mann line. Over with ATL, T-Mann did his Invisible Glue Guy thing, something like 30 minutes 7/2/3 for minus-3 in the Hawks' last second win over the Grizz. He was a team-worst minus-17 or so all game until benchmate Caris LeVert got hot. But he was out there in crunchtime and he did help them win.

T can help a team, but we have Dunn, DJJ, Coffey and now Simmons who can do what he does--and better IMO--and they are all making less. The Clips got out from under his upcoming 3-year/$47million contract [that kicks in NEXT year], and I think they did well to do it.

T-Mann is 29 next fall. Do the math.

[Clemenza]

Will it ever end?? The nightmare continues!!

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[Clemenza]

L. Frank and Ty Lue are f*cking jokes!! I'm sick of this sh*t!!

[Clemenza]

Kai Jones.. feasting on those Big minutes in Dallas.
Likely was a blow out loss game by the 3rd q, but still a nice showing for Kai
21 pts, 9-10 fg, 9 reb, 1 blk, 1 to, 2 fouls. 34 min. -9

I was flicking through channels and scores. Yes, it was a blowout. Kai was thrown into the deep end of the pool midway through the first quarter after Kyrie [knee] left the game after only 9 minutes. The Mavs quit after that. 4 bench guys played 24 minutes or more. Kai did well, especially since he's on a two-way. But it was essentially a G-League game.

I've been called a Mann-hater but all I ever said was: You is what you is. Tonight was a typical T-Mann line. Over with ATL, T-Mann did his Invisible Glue Guy thing, something like 30 minutes 7/2/3 for minus-3 in the Hawks' last second win over the Grizz. He was a team-worst minus-17 or so all game until benchmate Caris LeVert got hot. But he was out there in crunchtime and he did help them win.

T can help a team, but we have Dunn, DJJ, Coffey and now Simmons who can do what he does--and better IMO--and they are all making less. The Clips got out from under his upcoming 3-year/$47million contract [that kicks in NEXT year], and I think they did well to do it.

T-Mann is 29 next fall. Do the math.

That's the Kings starters out on the floor and a team in the playoff picture. Far from a G League game.

[esqtvd]

Kai Jones.. feasting on those Big minutes in Dallas.
Likely was a blow out loss game by the 3rd q, but still a nice showing for Kai
21 pts, 9-10 fg, 9 reb, 1 blk, 1 to, 2 fouls. 34 min. -9

I was flicking through channels and scores. Yes, it was a blowout. Kai was thrown into the deep end of the pool midway through the first quarter after Kyrie [knee] left the game after only 9 minutes. The Mavs quit after that. 4 bench guys played 24 minutes or more. Kai did well, especially since he's on a two-way. But it was essentially a G-League game.

I've been called a Mann-hater but all I ever said was: You is what you is. Tonight was a typical T-Mann line. Over with ATL, T-Mann did his Invisible Glue Guy thing, something like 30 minutes 7/2/3 for minus-3 in the Hawks' last second win over the Grizz. He was a team-worst minus-17 or so all game until benchmate Caris LeVert got hot. But he was out there in crunchtime and he did help them win.

T can help a team, but we have Dunn, DJJ, Coffey and now Simmons who can do what he does--and better IMO--and they are all making less. The Clips got out from under his upcoming 3-year/$47million contract [that kicks in NEXT year], and I think they did well to do it.

T-Mann is 29 next fall. Do the math.

That's the Kings starters out on the floor and a team in the playoff picture. Far from a G League game.

One of those "what the hell, we have nothing to lose" games that scrubs put up all the time. Stayed close for awhile, then predictably they fall off the tightrope and end up losing by 25.

Believe as you will. If you think Kai and Moussa are going to end up being even as good as Andre Drummond, who has kicked around with 6 teams and plays for the minimum, good luck to them. Drummond is a one-dimensional 4-time rebound champ and a very nice guy. But you is what you is.

[Clemenza]

I was flicking through channels and scores. Yes, it was a blowout. Kai was thrown into the deep end of the pool midway through the first quarter after Kyrie [knee] left the game after only 9 minutes. The Mavs quit after that. 4 bench guys played 24 minutes or more. Kai did well, especially since he's on a two-way. But it was essentially a G-League game.

I've been called a Mann-hater but all I ever said was: You is what you is. Tonight was a typical T-Mann line. Over with ATL, T-Mann did his Invisible Glue Guy thing, something like 30 minutes 7/2/3 for minus-3 in the Hawks' last second win over the Grizz. He was a team-worst minus-17 or so all game until benchmate Caris LeVert got hot. But he was out there in crunchtime and he did help them win.

T can help a team, but we have Dunn, DJJ, Coffey and now Simmons who can do what he does--and better IMO--and they are all making less. The Clips got out from under his upcoming 3-year/$47million contract [that kicks in NEXT year], and I think they did well to do it.

T-Mann is 29 next fall. Do the math.

That's the Kings starters out on the floor and a team in the playoff picture. Far from a G League game.

One of those "what the hell, we have nothing to lose" games that scrubs put up all the time. Stayed close for awhile, then predictably they fall off the tightrope and end up losing by 25.

Believe as you will. If you think Kai and Moussa are going to end up being even as good as Andre Drummond, who has kicked around with 6 teams and plays for the minimum, good luck to them. Drummond is a one-dimensional 4-time rebound champ and a very nice guy. But you is what you is.

Whether 3rd, 4th, or 5th opportunity, they only got signed because of injuries, they're on awful teams, etc. They're kept fighting, showed up, and are playing in real NBA games against real starters & star players. 10K ball players from across the globe would switch places with Kai & Moussa in a heartbeat. Moussa wasn't gong to get minutes over Plumlee last season, but I thought we'd bring him back with Plumlee leaving. And of course Kai is not seeing the floor if AD, Gafford, and Lively are healthy. My question is Kai not seeing the floor because of Eubanks who I feel he's much better than. That's what I want to know.

[Ballings7]

I was flicking through channels and scores. Yes, it was a blowout. Kai was thrown into the deep end of the pool midway through the first quarter after Kyrie [knee] left the game after only 9 minutes. The Mavs quit after that. 4 bench guys played 24 minutes or more. Kai did well, especially since he's on a two-way. But it was essentially a G-League game.

I've been called a Mann-hater but all I ever said was: You is what you is. Tonight was a typical T-Mann line. Over with ATL, T-Mann did his Invisible Glue Guy thing, something like 30 minutes 7/2/3 for minus-3 in the Hawks' last second win over the Grizz. He was a team-worst minus-17 or so all game until benchmate Caris LeVert got hot. But he was out there in crunchtime and he did help them win.

T can help a team, but we have Dunn, DJJ, Coffey and now Simmons who can do what he does--and better IMO--and they are all making less. The Clips got out from under his upcoming 3-year/$47million contract [that kicks in NEXT year], and I think they did well to do it.

T-Mann is 29 next fall. Do the math.

That's the Kings starters out on the floor and a team in the playoff picture. Far from a G League game.

One of those "what the hell, we have nothing to lose" games that scrubs put up all the time. Stayed close for awhile, then predictably they fall off the tightrope and end up losing by 25.

Believe as you will. If you think Kai and Moussa are going to end up being even as good as Andre Drummond, who has kicked around with 6 teams and plays for the minimum, good luck to them. Drummond is a one-dimensional 4-time rebound champ and a very nice guy. But you is what you is.

Agreed with you both on the Kings game (not too competitive in 2nd half, and Kings team not being g league team), but nothing he didn't really show already with LAC just more volume. Definitely impressive to watch individually though.

Well, Kai is going to get minutes for the rest of the year probably, with AD being shutdown now, due to Kyrie's injury.

Dallas is Charlotte west now it seems

[esqtvd]

Agreed with you both on the Kings game (not too competitive in 2nd half, and Kings team not being g league team), but nothing he didn't really show already with LAC just more volume. Definitely impressive to watch individually though.

Well, Kai is going to get minutes for the rest of the year probably, with AD being shutdown now, due to Kyrie's injury.

Dallas is Charlotte west now it seems

As close to G-League as it gets for the purposes of this discussion. Tankalicious.