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[Clemenza]

Facts!!

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[KL2]

One of the few bright spots left on the team. Good for him though. Well deserved.

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[Clemenza]

One of the few bright spots left on the team. Good for him though. Well deserved.

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Like I said before, everybody benefits from out G League team but us.

[Clemenza]

Are we having fun yet? "B, b, but he's on a bad team and only got signed because of injuries... wait, what? That's doesn't apply here? That's not going to work?"

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[esqtvd]

Are we having fun yet? "B, b, but he's on a bad team and only got signed because of injuries... wait, what? That's doesn't apply here? That's not going to work?"

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FTR, if that's a shot at me, Mr. Clemenza, I was one of the few supporters of KPJ both here and over on TwitterX while most of the Clipper Nation Cognoscenti were trashing him daily.

There's no difference in 24 years old to 25 and he has to somehow find the jumper he had in Houston as opposed to the one he has now.

It's a very good point, especially the 3-pointer, which he's shooting in the twenties. But he is contributing assists and rebounds, is good at the rim, and has produced more points and assists than 28-year-old Terance Mann in 1800 fewer NBA minutes [and nearly as many rebounds]. For $13M less a year. By most any metric, KPJ remains the most promising and most playable "young talent" on the roster.

I accept your apology in advance.

[Clemenza]

Are we having fun yet? "B, b, but he's on a bad team and only got signed because of injuries... wait, what? That's doesn't apply here? That's not going to work?"

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FTR, if that's a shot at me, Mr. Clemenza, I was one of the few supporters of KPJ both here and over on TwitterX while most of the Clipper Nation Cognoscenti were trashing him daily.

There's no difference in 24 years old to 25 and he has to somehow find the jumper he had in Houston as opposed to the one he has now.

It's a very good point, especially the 3-pointer, which he's shooting in the twenties. But he is contributing assists and rebounds, is good at the rim, and has produced more points and assists than 28-year-old Terance Mann in 1800 fewer NBA minutes [and nearly as many rebounds]. For $13M less a year. By most any metric, KPJ remains the most promising and most playable "young talent" on the roster.

I accept your apology in advance.

Nah I know you liked KPJ. I'm just f*cking around. Mostly aimed at certain individuals on Clippers-Reddit which I've been on a bit too much during this awful stretch of basketball the team's been playing.

[esqtvd]

Are we having fun yet? "B, b, but he's on a bad team and only got signed because of injuries... wait, what? That's doesn't apply here? That's not going to work?"

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FTR, if that's a shot at me, Mr. Clemenza, I was one of the few supporters of KPJ both here and over on TwitterX while most of the Clipper Nation Cognoscenti were trashing him daily.

It's a very good point, especially the 3-pointer, which he's shooting in the twenties. But he is contributing assists and rebounds, is good at the rim, and has produced more points and assists than 28-year-old Terance Mann in 1800 fewer NBA minutes [and nearly as many rebounds]. For $13M less a year. By most any metric, KPJ remains the most promising and most playable "young talent" on the roster.

I accept your apology in advance.

Nah I know you liked KPJ. I'm just f*cking around. Mostly aimed at certain individuals on Clippers-Reddit which I've been on a bit too much during this awful stretch of basketball the team's been playing.

ok lol

as the poem goes, when he was good he was very good indeed but when he was bad, he was horrid
I was not upset when they pulled the plug

[Clemenza]

FTR, if that's a shot at me, Mr. Clemenza, I was one of the few supporters of KPJ both here and over on TwitterX while most of the Clipper Nation Cognoscenti were trashing him daily.



I accept your apology in advance.

Nah I know you liked KPJ. I'm just f*cking around. Mostly aimed at certain individuals on Clippers-Reddit which I've been on a bit too much during this awful stretch of basketball the team's been playing.

ok lol

as the poem goes, when he was good he was very good indeed but when he was bad, he was horrid
I was not upset when they pulled the plug

In all honesty, I am. KPJ was the much better fit. Played every game and was slowly improving. Ben Simmons is yet another injury prone player added to the roster and basically, it's the front office chasing "names" and washed stars all over again. Not to mention you have to surround him with shooters and if the shooters are cold like they have been, then Simmons is useless. Yet another Lawrence Frank & Ty Lue Production.

[esqtvd]

Nah I know you liked KPJ. I'm just f*cking around. Mostly aimed at certain individuals on Clippers-Reddit which I've been on a bit too much during this awful stretch of basketball the team's been playing.

ok lol

as the poem goes, when he was good he was very good indeed but when he was bad, he was horrid
I was not upset when they pulled the plug

In all honesty, I am. KPJ was the much better fit. Played every game and was slowly improving. Ben Simmons is yet another injury prone player added to the roster and basically, it's the front office chasing "names" and washed stars all over again. Not to mention you have to surround him with shooters and if the shooters are cold like they have been, then Simmons is useless. Yet another Lawrence Frank & Ty Lue Production.

The key to reworking the rotation was T-Mann and everything worked backward from there. Basically, it WAS a teardown. His production just isn't worth the money, at least to us. His 3 year/$47M contract was about to kick in, and he's 29 next fall. He had already lost his minutes fair and square to Dunn and Coffey [who work cheap] as well as to DJJ and possibly Simmons, if he ever shows up.

There hasn't been much explanation for Simmons' injury and it seemed like he was healthy entering his Clippers' tenure. Simmons' presence on the team is more important than most fans realize, especially considering that he's the main backup point guard for the team.

If Simmons does make it back, he will probably re-sign here for cheap, just as Westbrook did. He's made plenty of money--over $200M--and is poison for most teams. LA is where he wants to be, and the Clippers were very accommodating to Russ when things didn't work out. They dealt him to a contender and I trust they would have give him a buyout/release if he had requested it.

And I haven't given up on Bogi, who's only 32. That was the shooter we needed. But I have to say, so far he looks BAD, on both ends. His numbers are only marginally better than they were with ATL--lousy. He may be washed.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bogdabo01.html

As for KPJ, I'm gonna guess that Ty found him uncoachable. His game was improving on a personal level, but the lapses at both ends of the floor probably weren't. Too many TOs, too many missed rotations. We'll see how much Doc trusts him come the playoffs. He may come to the same conclusion. The Bucks are a team in flux personnel-wise too, just trying to keep bodies on the floor and rack up some wins.

Anyway, once again I'm just trying to explain their thinking. It's all reasonable at least. Going forward, we're really not serious contenders and Mann simply was not a building block, so his contract was the first to go. OTOH, staying above .500 and making the play-in [and winning a playoff spot] is a priority and an achievable goal and I think is the working plan at the moment.

[Bobbymcgee]

KPJ last night: 10 points / 11 rebounds / 14 assists / +11

Glad the Clippers got rid of this bum

[Clemenza]

ok lol

as the poem goes, when he was good he was very good indeed but when he was bad, he was horrid
I was not upset when they pulled the plug

In all honesty, I am. KPJ was the much better fit. Played every game and was slowly improving. Ben Simmons is yet another injury prone player added to the roster and basically, it's the front office chasing "names" and washed stars all over again. Not to mention you have to surround him with shooters and if the shooters are cold like they have been, then Simmons is useless. Yet another Lawrence Frank & Ty Lue Production.

The key to reworking the rotation was T-Mann and everything worked backward from there. Basically, it WAS a teardown. His production just isn't worth the money, at least to us. His 3 year/$47M contract was about to kick in, and he's 29 next fall. He had already lost his minutes fair and square to Dunn and Coffey [who work cheap] as well as to DJJ and possibly Simmons, if he ever shows up.

There hasn't been much explanation for Simmons' injury and it seemed like he was healthy entering his Clippers' tenure. Simmons' presence on the team is more important than most fans realize, especially considering that he's the main backup point guard for the team.

If Simmons does make it back, he will probably re-sign here for cheap, just as Westbrook did. He's made plenty of money--over $200M--and is poison for most teams. LA is where he wants to be, and the Clippers were very accommodating to Russ when things didn't work out. They dealt him to a contender and I trust they would have give him a buyout/release if he had requested it.

And I haven't given up on Bogi, who's only 32. That was the shooter we needed. But I have to say, so far he looks BAD, on both ends. His numbers are only marginally better than they were with ATL--lousy. He may be washed.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bogdabo01.html

As for KPJ, I'm gonna guess that Ty found him uncoachable. His game was improving on a personal level, but the lapses at both ends of the floor probably weren't. Too many TOs, too many missed rotations. We'll see how much Doc trusts him come the playoffs. He may come to the same conclusion. The Bucks are a team in flux personnel-wise too, just trying to keep bodies on the floor and rack up some wins.

Anyway, once again I'm just trying to explain their thinking. It's all reasonable at least. Going forward, we're really not serious contenders and Mann simply was not a building block, so his contract was the first to go. OTOH, staying above .500 and making the play-in [and winning a playoff spot] is a priority and an achievable goal and I think is the working plan at the moment.

I hope he's not brought back. There's just no need for an injury prone player who won't shoot. I may give it more consideration he played more, but this is far from the case. If the season ends on a dud, package Norm with our first round pick and move up into the teens and draft a point guard.

[madmaxmedia]

TBH, I think I was probably somehow the biggest KPJ fan here LOL (I’m not proud of it), but also TBH I’m not even sure why I was- 2nd LOL.

He was basically a walking wild card which I think we needed on the second unit. Given our recent swoon I’m not completely sure we still couldn’t have used him now, even with the additions of Bogey and Ben, and I like both acquisitions.

[playaloc916]

TBH, I think I was probably somehow the biggest KPJ fan here LOL (I’m not proud of it), but also TBH I’m not even sure why I was 2nd LOL.

He was basically a walking wild card which I think we needed on the second unit. Given our recent swoon I’m not completely sure we still couldn’t have used him now, even with the additions of Bogey and Ben, and I like both acquisitions.

KPJ fans are definitely in the minority (especially on reddit, any positive comments about him are always downvoted). He had his fair share of bone headed plays but if you look at the alternatives, it's a low opportunity cost for the production he brings. Those poor shooting percentages are common among the other bench players as well, but KPJ always has that possibility of going off.

Like I've said before, the biggest thing I miss is his celebrations. Maybe I'm immature but damn I enjoyed his celebrations lol.

[KL2]

Just in time for his revenge game. It’s the Clippers way.

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[Clemenza]

Bogdan is up and down and Coffey is decaf as of late. I'm wondering if either Baldwin, Flowers, or Christie could get a look before this season is over with. I doubt it, but we need a scoring boost at the wing position. Or maybe Miller gets another shot on this upcoming road trip.

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[esqtvd]

Just in time for his revenge game. It’s the Clippers way.

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More proof G-League is ass. Former MVP Paul Reed is mostly racking up garbage time minutes in Detroit. It just doesn't translate to the real league.

[og15]

KPJ last night: 10 points / 11 rebounds / 14 assists / +11

Glad the Clippers got rid of this bum

The funny thing here is....

Who is the Bucks coach?

It's sort of a lose/lose if one is both a Lue and Doc detractor.

Consistency, ball security, decision making and defensive focus are of course still his issues.

Because he's shooting 73% FG from 16 to inside 3PT and 57% FG from 10-16 with the Bucks, the reality is that his FG% and therefore TS% (Currently 60% with Milwaukee) will go down.

When that happens, how much can they fit in minutes for him if his 3PT% stays in the high 20's to very low 30's and if he keeps up the 4.5 to/36?

Right now Doc is giving him 15.9 mpg (he got more as a Clipper), but he seems to be on units where he gets to have the ball more for better of worse.

The 3.3 ast - 2.0 tov could be a worry, the 33% 3PT that might go down based on this season could be a worry, and his overall decision making likely still will make him one of those guys who has a lot of ability, but not enough IQ, and discipline to be a consistently good role player and not enough talent to be able to have a consistent bigger role and impact where some of those things can be covered by pure talent (eg: Westbrook type).

He's the kind of guy who many coaches end up benching in the playoffs just due to the trust factor. In the playoffs evertly possession counts more, and it becomes harder for coaches to stomach some errors.

He's last 10 games as a Clipper he was getting 21 mpg. His AST to tov was actually 3.0 to 1.1 in those games. Still couldn't hit anything outside, but he had a 26/7/3 game and a 17/7/5 game with efficient shooting in both during that span. So we certainly got a very good feel of what he can and can't do and what a future role/fit could be for him with 884 minutes this season.

[esqtvd]

KPJ last night: 10 points / 11 rebounds / 14 assists / +11

Glad the Clippers got rid of this bum

The funny thing here is....

Who is the Bucks coach?

It's sort of a lose/lose if one is both a Lue and Doc detractor.

Consistency, ball security, decision making and defensive focus are of course still his issues.

Because he's shooting 73% FG from 16 to inside 3PT and 57% FG from 10-16 with the Bucks, the reality is that his FG% and therefore TS% (Currently 60% with Milwaukee) will go down.

When that happens, how much can they fit in minutes for him if his 3PT% stays in the high 20's to very low 30's and if he keeps up the 4.5 to/36?

Right now Doc is giving him 15.9 mpg (he got more as a Clipper), but he seems to be on units where he gets to have the ball more for better of worse.

The 3.3 ast - 2.0 tov could be a worry, the 33% 3PT that might go down based on this season could be a worry, and his overall decision making likely still will make him one of those guys who has a lot of ability, but not enough IQ, and discipline to be a consistently good role player and not enough talent to be able to have a consistent bigger role and impact where some of those things can be covered by pure talent (eg: Westbrook type).

He's the kind of guy who many coaches end up benching in the playoffs just due to the trust factor. In the playoffs evertly possession counts more, and it becomes harder for coaches to stomach some errors.

He's last 10 games as a Clipper he was getting 21 mpg. His AST to tov was actually 3.0 to 1.1 in those games. Still couldn't hit anything outside, but he had a 26/7/3 game and a 17/7/5 game with efficient shooting in both during that span. So we certainly got a very good feel of what he can and can't do and what a future role/fit could be for him with 884 minutes this season.

Yes, I wasn't a hater but understood the decision to move on. The Bucks needed some production because they have no depth; the Clippers are 8-10 deep, so they didn't need him in the short term, and apparently decided KPJ is just too mercurial to build around long-term. At least that's a reasonable explanation.

His 3-ball never came around [24.5%] and he's never been a plus shooter or ballhandler [asst-to-TO less than 2-1] over his career. Doc is riding him because the change of scenery has lit a fire under him, but he WILL regress to his mean. You is what you is.

[Clemenza]

If we're in the low 20's of the draft, Khaman Maluach might be available. 7'2", plays both ends of the floor, and still developing. He'll go higher if he has a big NCAA tournament showing.

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[Clemenza]

I still don't get the reasoning in waving Kai and keeping Eubanks. Yes he wouldn't be playing if Gafford and Lively were healthy for the Mavs, but for us he was a good player to hold on to and develop.

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