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madmaxmedia · Post #301 » by **madmaxmedia** » Mon Jun 6, 2016 5:53 pm

Charles Barkley and Oscar Robertson may complain, but old style basketball got exposed last night. The individual talent level of the 2 teams is reasonably close IMO, but one roster looks like a dinosaur and the other looks like the new NBA.

OKC did a great job switching on screens off ball everywhere on the court, and sticking to Curry like their lives depended on it. Cavs not only don't have the personnel to do the same, even when there's no mismatch they're letting Curry pop out for open looks. And forget about when the slower Cavs are caught in a mismatch.

In 2 years half the NBA is going to have rosters constructed differently IMO. They're not going to do it as well as GSW obviously, but I think the change in the game is clear. And you have to be as position-less as possible on D, to be able to keep up and not get exposed.

nickhx2 · Post #302 » by **nickhx2** » Mon Jun 6, 2016 6:04 pm

said it before elsewhere, but i was never sold on how a team with love/kyrie were ever able going to compete defensively the way they would have needed to against GS.

throw in sizable minutes for both richard jefferson and channing frye and i just don't see how they can keep up.

Ranma · Post #303 » by **Ranma** » Tue Jun 7, 2016 6:16 pm

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Akklaim1 · Post #304 » by **Akklaim1** » Thu Jun 9, 2016 1:56 am

Has anyone noticed that Laker fans don't show any animosity towards GSW? It's Bay Area. LA fans aren't supposed to root for Bay Area. GSW fans would never root for the Lakers to win anything. But I guess they hate LeBron more because of the Kobe comparisons. Plus, the Lakers have never had an instense rivalry with GSW so any success of GSW does not affect Laker fans.

nickhx2 · Post #305 » by **nickhx2** » Thu Jun 9, 2016 2:04 am

a lot of the laker fanbase only like the lakers because of association of being cool or being a part of a cool group. it'd make a lot of sense to me that those are the same kind of people who would associate with GS because they're another california team.

Post #306 » by **mkwest** » Thu Jun 9, 2016 5:56 am

Akklaim1 wrote:Has anyone noticed that Laker fans don't show any animosity towards GSW? It's Bay Area. LA fans aren't supposed to root for Bay Area. GSW fans would never root for the Lakers to win anything. But I guess they hate LeBron more because of the Kobe comparisons. Plus, the Lakers have never had an instense rivalry with GSW so any success of GSW does not affect Laker fans.

A lot of them are riding that bandwagon.

I was talking to someone from the Bay (during the "We Believe" season) that said that they hated the Warriors and rooted for the Lakers, because they got fed up with the Warriors being a disappointing team. I thought that Warriors team was a fun team and I was a little surprised to hear that he couldn't get with them. I wouldn't be surprised if he's a "life-long" Warrior fan atm.

Akklaim1 · Post #307 » by **Akklaim1** » Sat Jun 11, 2016 4:27 am

The moniker "Golden State" probably has a lot to do with it. Casual fans in LA are thinking the Warriors are representing the whole state of California, so the idiots think they should root for them.

Post #308 » by **mkwest** » Mon Jun 13, 2016 5:16 am

Akklaim1 wrote:LA fans aren't supposed to root for Bay Area. GSW fans would never root for the Lakers to win anything.

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Quake Griffin · Post #309 » by **Quake Griffin** » Mon Jun 13, 2016 5:56 am

Akklaim1 wrote:Has anyone noticed that Laker fans don't show any animosity towards GSW? It's Bay Area. LA fans aren't supposed to root for Bay Area. GSW fans would never root for the Lakers to win anything. But I guess they hate LeBron more because of the Kobe comparisons. Plus, the Lakers have never had an instense rivalry with GSW so any success of GSW does not affect Laker fans.

Warriors check off a lot of boxes for them.

Hate Clippers. Check.
Hate LeBron. Check.

Warriors are beating both right now and since the Lakers are terrible, they're whores a team that can beat those 2/ make them look foolish. If you try to get a srs in depth answer for why they don't hate a team whose fan base hates them, then you get the whole 16 rings and because of that we dont have any rivals blah blah blah.....

aw shut the hell up.

Neddy · Post #310 » by **Neddy** » Mon Jun 13, 2016 6:26 am

Akklaim1 wrote:Has anyone noticed that Laker fans don't show any animosity towards GSW? It's Bay Area. LA fans aren't supposed to root for Bay Area. GSW fans would never root for the Lakers to win anything. But I guess they hate LeBron more because of the Kobe comparisons. Plus, the Lakers have never had an instense rivalry with GSW so any success of GSW does not affect Laker fans.

how about the general average IQ of their fanbase? they are generally authoriterians, that they do not question the motive/behavior/ethics of their own, and blindly trust their ownership.

Kobe's rape case defended to no end

Worthy's hookers and getting busted for it

Magic's hookers and eventual AIDS contraction while nobody made a case for his incredibly and in some level, blinded support of his wife Cookie j.

Dr. Buss' and his gambling issues and real estate investments he learned from Donald Sterling which he was no better and yet he gets away with being a slum lord because he was a "winner"

then there are his children...

whereas all of us in the clipper side have been critical of Donald Sterling and celebrated his demise, we booed Benoit Benjamin for his antics, we loved mediocre players who showed loyalty and played their hearts out while never getting into trouble like Pike and Loy, filled up the Sports Arena back in the day to support a rental player like Ike, and gave all we had to support few pre-CP3 era playoff teams such as Danny Manning's squad against the rockets in the early 90s and Elton Brand and Sam Cassell's mid 00's teams to the fullest. the survey tells that the Clippers fan base is the most loyal according to WSJ, and we are also most diverse in terms of race, religion and socio-ecomonic class among all the NBA teams in the league. we are the true embodiement of the modern Americana, and the more educated half of the LA basketball fanbase.

Post #311 » by **QRich3** » Mon Jun 13, 2016 10:23 am

Yeah it's weird to see Lakers fans bandwagoning for the Warriors and Warriors fans sympathising with the Lakers. Their elder fans would probably be outraged that such thing happens. But 80% of Warriors fans were probably Lakers "fans" half a decade ago, and Heat "fans" right after that, so...

Also, f*ck the league for all of the Draymond Green nut-hitting drama, they've been awful in the way they've handled the whole post-season. I fell for the new NBA with Silver when he liberated us from Sterling, but this post-season has made me feel like everything is scripted and the league's been messing with the results like this was the Donaghy times. It's cringey to read Kiki Vandeweghe's press statements giving a blatant spin to reality depending on what fits the league's best interest, to suspend or not suspend that ball-toucher dude.

nickhx2 · Post #312 » by **nickhx2** » Mon Jun 13, 2016 6:23 pm

i liked kiki before the blatant overlooking of draymond's dirty ass antics.

also, i didn't think i could hate gs more than i do now, but hey they somehow made it happen.

Ranma · Post #313 » by **Ranma** » Tue Jun 14, 2016 12:29 am

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Neddy · Post #315 » by **Neddy** » Tue Jun 14, 2016 5:20 am

is it wrong for me to think Love fits our team better than Blake? Blake is by far the superior player no doubt, but with CP3's ball dominance and now with DJ's low post presence, Love's ability to space the floor while helping out in defensive boards will make our offense better imo. defensively, I think they are both less than desired. both come with rather fragile health record... just saying.

nickhx2 · Post #316 » by **nickhx2** » Tue Jun 14, 2016 5:41 am

love's range would help the team's spacing but i think by next season blake will be taking a lot more 3's and be a legit spacer.

moreover, love's defense is awful while blake's has really turned the corner and he's developed into a good defender. i think also by next season he'll become a very good one.

it's kind of funny because for years i never thought blake would be better than kevin love, but now he is miles ahead. there's no way you can trade blake for love and not lose out a ton.

Post #317 » by **QRich3** » Tue Jun 14, 2016 8:14 am

Yeah, the only thing Love has over Blake is shooting, literally every other facet of the game Blake is superior or equal to him. Don't forget Blake used to be one of the best rebounders in the game until Doc decided he'd better have him run for early post-ups instead of crashing the glass. Which helps our offense greatly, but hurts Blake's rebounding numbers, making some people think he's regressed as a rebounder.

And he's not gonna be a defensive liability that teams can attack repeatedly like they do with Love, he's actually one of our best P&R defenders and his ability to switch into smaller guys now that it's become more and more important, will only make him a more important defensive player as time goes on.

Plus, just as Nick says, we might be just about to watch him expand his range and become a solid 3PT shooter too. Hopefully the injury doesn't come in the way of that this summer.

mattd13 · Post #318 » by **mattd13** » Tue Jun 14, 2016 12:36 pm

I agree completely with nick and Q on the value of blake. health is always an issue but that goes for everyone. on a different note, while watching the playoffs this year I have come to the conclusion that the nba is just controlled by the powers that be. I have loved watching this game for over 50 years and it has become harder and harder to be a fan. as much as I like watching the clips I have decided not to buy the league pass this year. sad to say but I have had it.

MartinToVaught · Post #319 » by **MartinToVaught** » Fri Jun 17, 2016 5:55 pm

Akklaim1 wrote:Has anyone noticed that Laker fans don't show any animosity towards GSW? It's Bay Area. LA fans aren't supposed to root for Bay Area. GSW fans would never root for the Lakers to win anything. But I guess they hate LeBron more because of the Kobe comparisons. Plus, the Lakers have never had an instense rivalry with GSW so any success of GSW does not affect Laker fans.

Before the Warriors got good, there were tons of bandwagon Laker "fans" in the Bay Area. Kobe used to get loud "MVP" chants all the time in Oracle. I think a lot of the Laker-to-Warrior bandwagon migration is coming from those clowns.

But you're right, even a lot of SoCal Laker "fans" have hopped on the bandwagon. It's probably because the Warriors keep clashing with opponents that Laker "fans" hate: the Clippers, the Spurs, and LeBron. Since the Lakers suck for the foreseeable future, they might as well live vicariously through the Dubs. It helps that the Warriors fit the profile of the cocky, arrogant, ref-coddled and media-hyped team like the Lakers are when they're good.

Akklaim1 · Post #320 » by **Akklaim1** » Sat Jun 18, 2016 4:05 am

You guys are so right about the Warriors' clashes with teams that Laker fans normally hate and the Warriors usually beat them so Laker fans ride along. They have never experienced an intense rivalry with the Warriors so any success the Warriors have is tolerable to them. It just sucks for us Clipper fans, why can't the Warriors AND the Lakers suck at the same time while we're a good team?