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2018 NBA Draft Talk

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What do you predict the Clippers will do on Draft Night? (vote for up to 2 options)

Poll ended at Thu Jun 21, 2018 8:37 am

Remain at 12 & 13
7
39%
Trade up into the 3-6 range
2
11%
Trade up into the 7-9 range
0
No votes
Trade down
2
11%
Buy into the 2nd round
7
39%
Trade picks to acquire a big name
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No votes
Danilo Gallinari is traded
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No votes
Tobias Harris is traded
0
No votes
 
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Re: 2018 NBA Draft Talk 

Post#301 » by madmaxmedia » Wed Mar 28, 2018 9:43 pm

madmaxmedia wrote:
nickhx2 wrote:kinda praying mikal bridges falls to us but dunno how possible that's gonna be


It's starting to look more possible...We are gonna end up with 10 or 11, Pistons are 12 right now but there's a wide gulf to 13, but 10 and 11 are nipping at the Pistons' heels. Plus Lakers at 11 don't keep their pick.

If I had to guess I would say we pick 11th, with a 30% chance at 10th.


Pistons beating the Lakers was a real gut punch the other night. Pistons would have passed the Hornets had they lost, and only 1/2 game behind the Lakers. Oh well, I still think we end up with #11.
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Re: 2018 NBA Draft Talk 

Post#302 » by madmaxmedia » Wed Mar 28, 2018 9:44 pm

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Forte IV wrote:I'm starting to think we should only go for wings in the draft. That's our biggest flaw, is our wing depth. We have guards, we have bigs, just no 3s/combo forwards



Yah. That's what was behind the desperation Jeff Green move and why ORL signed him away for $15M--and why even now, the Cavs give him 20+ mpg.

Why Boston passed over 6'4" combo guard Markelle Fultz for 6'8" Jayson Tatum. These guys are gold. If we had had Tobias during the CP/BG era I think we make the WCFs easy. Or more.

We were always a bullet short. That bullet. :cry: Ah, what might have been.


We have been dreaming about wings on this board since Mike Miller was reasonably young.
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Re: 2018 NBA Draft Talk 

Post#303 » by esqtvd » Wed Mar 28, 2018 9:57 pm

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esqtvd wrote:
Forte IV wrote:I'm starting to think we should only go for wings in the draft. That's our biggest flaw, is our wing depth. We have guards, we have bigs, just no 3s/combo forwards



Yah. That's what was behind the desperation Jeff Green move and why ORL signed him away for $15M--and why even now, the Cavs give him 20+ mpg.

Why Boston passed over 6'4" combo guard Markelle Fultz for 6'8" Jayson Tatum. These guys are gold. If we had had Tobias during the CP/BG era I think we make the WCFs easy. Or more.

We were always a bullet short. That bullet. :cry: Ah, what might have been.


We have been dreaming about wings on this board since Mike Miller was reasonably young.


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Re: 2018 NBA Draft Talk 

Post#304 » by esqtvd » Mon Apr 2, 2018 3:30 am

I don't believe in the "process," BTW. Philly's my hometown team and I thought ruining 3 years [37 wins] was disgusting.

And although I love Simmons, he's still a glorified Ricky Rubio. The Process depends on Embiid's feet. In fact, if Embiid had been healthy, he'd have gone #1 in the draft and the Sixers would have joyfully got stuck with their real target, Wiggins.

And they'd be...oh I dunno. Not The Process.


Not that it's stopped anybody, the copycat mutts that they are :droop:

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Re: 2018 NBA Draft Talk 

Post#305 » by MartinToVaught » Mon Apr 2, 2018 4:56 am

esqtvd wrote:And although I love Simmons, he's still a glorified Ricky Rubio.

:o Is that you, Skip Bayless?
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Re: 2018 NBA Draft Talk 

Post#306 » by esqtvd » Mon Apr 2, 2018 7:48 am

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esqtvd wrote:And although I love Simmons, he's still a glorified Ricky Rubio.

:o Is that you, Skip Bayless?


Hey, I like Ricky Rubio, and I love Simmons. I just wouldn't flush 3 seasons to get him. The Process rides on Embiid's health.
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Re: 2018 NBA Draft Talk 

Post#307 » by TheNewEra » Mon Apr 2, 2018 7:49 am

Excited about the potential of the two picks
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Re: 2018 NBA Draft Talk 

Post#308 » by Quake Griffin » Mon Apr 2, 2018 5:30 pm

One year of tanking is not #TheProcess.



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Re: 2018 NBA Draft Talk 

Post#309 » by Quake Griffin » Tue Apr 3, 2018 9:36 pm

Ethan Happ declaring for the draft - no agent hired.

Buy a second and draft this kid.
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Re: 2018 NBA Draft Talk 

Post#310 » by ejftw » Thu Apr 5, 2018 2:50 am

Surprised no one's said let's draft Ragu after his performance in the finals.
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Getting to Know Prospect Likely Out of Clips' Reach 

Post#311 » by Ranma » Thu Apr 5, 2018 5:03 am

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Re: 2018 NBA Draft Talk 

Post#312 » by nickhx2 » Thu Apr 5, 2018 6:32 am

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Taking a Peek at Mock Drafts 

Post#313 » by Ranma » Thu Apr 5, 2018 3:31 pm

I guess things can change but Mikal Bridges looks like a solid top-10 pick in the upcoming 2018 NBA Draft and barring a highly unlikely lottery win with our own draft pick, the Clippers look to be drafting 12th and 13th overall. He can go anywhere from 7th to 10th in my opinion. His ceiling may be limited to an extent but he has a pretty high floor. An argument can be made that he's a more attractive prospect than either Trae Young or Collin Sexton right now despite their respectively higher potential.
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Re: Taking a Peek at Mock Drafts 

Post#314 » by TucsonClip » Fri Apr 6, 2018 8:38 pm

Ranma wrote:I guess things can change but Mikal Bridges looks like a solid top-10 pick in the upcoming 2018 NBA Draft and barring a highly unlikely lottery win with our own draft pick, the Clippers look to be drafting 12th and 13th overall. He can go anywhere from 7th to 10th in my opinion. His ceiling may be limited to an extent but he has a pretty high floor. An argument can be made that he's a more attractive prospect than either Trae Young or Collin Sexton right now despite their respectively higher potential.


I would kill to add him to this roster moving forward. Yeah, the upside isnt that of a star, but hes a winning player. He does what we need, what we want, what we have been missing. He fits the direction of this franchise/lineup/roster construction.
Plus, why would I want to go to the NBA? Duke players suck in the pros.

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Re: 2018 NBA Draft Talk 

Post#315 » by Quake Griffin » Sat Apr 7, 2018 11:22 pm

Ranma wrote:I guess things can change but Mikal Bridges looks like a solid top-10 pick in the upcoming 2018 NBA Draft and barring a highly unlikely lottery win with our own draft pick, the Clippers look to be drafting 12th and 13th overall. He can go anywhere from 7th to 10th in my opinion. His ceiling may be limited to an extent but he has a pretty high floor. An argument can be made that he's a more attractive prospect than either Trae Young or Collin Sexton right now despite their respectively higher potential.

That’s why I said earlier, I am looking for 3 and D. It’s a mistake to think he’s the next Kawhi or even PG-13. That could setup unrealistic expectations for him.

I am wondering if there is more room in his body to take on more strength and explosiveness. That could help a lot in determining his draft value. My guess is there is but it’s just a guess.


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Brief Thoughts on Current Prospects in Our Range 

Post#316 » by Ranma » Mon Apr 9, 2018 5:15 am

While there are a few intriguing prospects in our range like Zhaire Smith, Robert Williams, Lonnie Walker, Kevin Knox, Dzanan Musa and Khyri Thomas, I'm still inclined to target Mikal Bridges and Anfernee Simons with our draft picks.

Smith has athletic ability and basketball IQ to go along with length and defensive instincts, but I want him to grow further beyond his 6'5" height as he's currently listed as a 2 guard lacking in a perimeter game. If he can eventually get to 6'7'" or 6'8", he'd be a nice-looking small forward prospect. One online scouting report compares him to K.J. McDaniels with more offensive upside and a more athletic John Starks. Right now, he's a fallback option for me.

Williams has tremendous athletic ability but question marks about his competitive drive. NBAdraft.net compares him to Stromile Swift and, after the Brice Johnson failure, I'm inclined to pass on him.

Walker sounds similar to Eric Gordon as an undersized shooting guard prospect with a perimeter shot and good body control driving to the basket, however, he seems to be lacking in intensity, especially on the defensive side, as well as an acumen or inclination to play off the ball. He has high-end potential as a scorer, but I'm not really excited about him as of yet despite the EJ comparison.

Knox is a versatile forward with good athleticism and skill to go along with great length, but he also possesses an inconsistent motor. NBAdraft.net compares him to Paul George and Tobias Harris, which sounds great, but I have doubts that he's actually as athletic as either of those two and he sounds more likely to be the bad version of Jeff Green. More information is needed, but I guess that really applies to all of these prospects.

MartinToVaught mentioned that he liked Musa and I'm certainly intrigued by his scoring ability and playmaking instincts, but he seems more like a potent scorer off the bench much like Lou Williams but in a different fashion. Plus, there are concerns about his inconsistent motor and emotions getting the better of him on the court. I'm more inclined to draft prospects with a better chance to eventually be starters, especially with lottery picks even if they are late-lotto selections.

Thomas has been a late bloomer who's been getting consideration recently around our draft slot, but he's a combo guard lacking in true point-guard ability. While he's undersized for a shooting guard at 6'3", he has a 6'10" wingspan. However, he's a junior for Creighton and will be 22 years-old in May, so his upside is limited as a competitive player who plays with composure but lacking in elite athletic ability. I'm afraid I'm leaning towards writing him off for consideration at this point.

TucsonClip has mentioned Chandler Hutchison as a good fit for our system as a solid, all-around swingman prospect, but he currently projects to be a late first-round selection or early second-rounder. He also seems like more of a fit for us off the bench.

Quake Griffin has also brought up Gary Trent, Jr. for consideration and I really haven't given him much thought other than knowing that his dad and namesake played in the NBA previously. Based on a scouting report, Trent, Jr.--unlike Doc's son Austin--is a fundamentally sound player who plays with toughness and physicality to go along with his sweet shooting touch. However, he is lacking in explosive athleticism and considered an average run/jump athlete. He's also an inefficient scorer from inside the arc while also not being inclined to pass as a shoot-first player. Sounds like a one-trick pony who doesn't provide much else, which does not suit my taste.

I've also introduced Hamidou Diallo for consideration as a late first-round pick if we happen to trade that far down given his profile as an athletic wonder with incredible tools but lacking in refined skills. He seems to be trending up given the showcase he put on display during the NCAA tournament, but he's still not a legitimate consideration for a lottery selection at this point.

Another player I want to discuss is Miles (not Mikal) Bridges, who has been projected to be drafted in the lottery shortly after Mikal. He's a powerful combo forward with tweener size at 6'7" 6'6" and decent but not great length with a 6'9"-ish wingspan. He plays with high energy as a true competitor possessing explosive athleticism. However, his perimeter skills are still a work in progress as he needs to further develop his ball-handling and shot. He could be a modern-day Jerome Kersey for us or even develop into a Caron-Butler-type player eventually. While he's not a bad prospect at all, I have him as sort of a last resort with one of our lottery picks.
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Trading Up for Mikal Bridges and Down for Anfernee Simons 

Post#317 » by Ranma » Mon Apr 9, 2018 6:56 am

I've mentioned before that I think Mikal Bridges will be just out of our reach with either of the 12th and 13th overall draft picks the Clippers currently possess, but I'd like to pose the possibility of trading up for him while using the latter selection to trade down a little in order to boost the former selection up a bit in order to nab Mikal.

I've said that he could go anywhere from 7th to 10th overall, but given the tiers of talent separation, our best bet could be to swap picks with the Knicks' 9th overall selection. Assuming that the Knicks won't go for a swap of picks in exchange for the "privilege" of having Doc Rivers be their coach next season on the condition of them also handing over a future first-round pick, we might have to acquire a second-round pick in this draft in order to exchange 12th overall for 9th overall.

Without a second-rounder in the upcoming draft and the uncertainty and unlikelihood of retaining our future second-round selections over the next few years, we could trade 13th overall to the Wizards for 17th overall and 47th overall in the second round of the 2018 NBA Draft in order to package the 12th and 47th picks for the 9th.

This would give us a better chance and decent likelihood of drafting Mikal Bridges, who seems to be the consensus favorite among this board, with the 9th overall selection. And it would allow for selecting Anfernee Simons (or whomever else) at 17th overall. It's just a matter of whether the Knicks would have their heart set on particular player(s) they hope to fall down to them at that spot.

Simons may be currently projected to be a first-round pick in the 20's or so, but as I've said before, I think he could shoot up the draft board after workouts, however, his withdrawal from 2 highly-scouted pre-draft camps combines raises some flags. Despite such concerns, I'm still high on this kid as I may have even underestimated his athleticism.

I'm actually concerned about moving too far down the draft board as I think the Hawks might swoop in to take him at 18th overall given that Travis Schlenk is their GM and contributed significantly to the Warrirors' draft success. Schlenk seems to share a lot of the same draft philosophy that I personally subscribe to. Even before hiring Schlenk, the Hawks sniped us in 2016 when they selected both Taurean Prince and DeAndre Bembry, who were players the Clippers were rumored to be interested in at the time and both of whom were advocated for by quite a few of us to varying degrees.

In any case, here is a recent mock draft--which despite having the Clippers' draft order incorrect when we have basically been locked into the 12th and 13th selection slots for the past few days--that provides a decent assessment of where players will be drafted as of now.

However, I do take issue with Schultz projecting Simons to the Warriors at 28th overall only because I think that is low for a kid with his potential. Plus, nobody should be drafting Simons with the intent of playing him in the NBA next season. The Warriors previously drafted 2 players I've wanted for the Clippers in recent proceedings--Jordan Bell and Patrick McCaw--so it wouldn't surprise me that they'd also be interested in another player I happen to like a lot at the moment, especially given their previous ties to Schlenk.

The good news is that we now have Jerry West as a consultant who also happens to have had a big hand in the Warriors' successful turnaround when he and Schlenk were in Golden State together. It's no coincidence that under West's watch, the Clippers have successfully drafted 2 rookies in Sindarius Thornwell and Jawun Evans who've contributed more than all of Doc's picks combined. On top of that, we successfully unearthed G-League talent in Jamil Wilson, Ty Wallace, and C.J. Williams who've also contributed greatly in keeping the team afloat during this season riddled with injuries and the departure of star players.

One last note, trading what turned out to be the last pick in the first round of the 2018 draft for the ability to sign Danilo Gallinari proved to still be a good move in spite of Gallo's continued struggles with injuries. While it's possible that a player drafted at that slot or later could turn out to be better than Gallo moving forward, that particular pick is basically an overpriced second-round selection, which can typically be bought for cash.


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10. Philadelphia 76ers: SG/SF Mikal Bridges, Jr., Villanova

The 6-7 Bridges is everything the 76ers covet: a versatile “3-and-D” wing with the potential not merely to be a third or fourth option, but perhaps a go-to guy at some point in his career. One GM has raved to me about him since the beginning of the season. Tough and hard-nosed, Bridges — with his 7-2 wingspan — is an effective cutter who can also play on the ball and extend a defense with his 43.5 percent 3-point shooting. The third-team All-American morphed from a reserve on Jay Wright’s national title team two years ago into one of the most coveted players in the whole draft.

12. Los Angeles Clippers: F Miles Bridges, Soph., Michigan State

After a hype-filled freshman season, Bridges — almost quietly — had a super-productive sophomore season, posting 17.1 points and seven rebounds per game while hitting 36 percent of his threes. The 6-6 wing is a sensational athlete who will need to show he can guard both the paint and the perimeter — both of which the Clippers need.

13. Denver Nuggets: PF/C Robert Williams, Soph., Texas A&M

Denver needs an active big man who can control the paint and allow the versatile Nikola Jokic to play more pick-and-pop and not always bang in the paint. Williams, at 6-10, 241 pounds, comes off a terrific sophomore season in which he averaged 10.4 points, 9.2 rebounds and 2.6 blocks per game. He is just scratching the surface of his enormous potential. He has a near 7-6 wingspan, excellent hands and — maybe most importantly for the Nuggets — the ability to run the floor and switch ball screens. Remember, Denver ranks just 23rd in points allowed this season. Williams will bolster that number from Day 1.

14. Los Angeles Clippers: G Khyri Thomas, Jr., Creighton

Thomas, who will turn 22 by the draft, has a lot of Gary Harris to his game. At 6-3, he isn’t especially big, but because of his sensational length (6-10 wingspan) and high-level athleticism, Thomas plays bigger. More importantly, he also plays with great balance and pace, able to come off screens and shoot, but he can also get into the teeth of the defense and make a play. Better yet, he plays with a control and pace that you rarely find in young combo guys. Thomas is a versatile offensive weapon who can guard both NBA backcourt spots. He is precisely what the Clippers need and represents great value at the tail end of the lottery.

15. Phoenix Suns: SG Zhaire Smith, Fr., Texas Tech

Smith comes off a stellar freshman year in which he showcased a pro-style game with versatility at both ends of the floor. At 6-5, 195 pounds, he is a prototypical NBA shooting guard. Still a bit streaky, he tends to disappear at times and he’s not that creative with the ball just yet. But he remains a big-time talent and sensational athlete who shoots 45 percent from 3-point range. “Smith is a future pro,” a Big 12 coach told Yahoo Sports. “He has a really high IQ and feel for the game. He’s an NBA athlete. Just look at how much his skills have improved.”

28. Golden State Warriors: G Anfernee Simons, IMG Academy

Simons, who already graduated from his Orlando, Florida, high school and spent a post-grad year at IMG Academy, would benefit from a year in college to develop his 18-year-old body. His raw tools, though, are why the Warriors should nab him in the first round. A true combo man with multiple ways to beat you, Simons stands about 6-4 with a 6-7 wingspan. He possesses a refined shooting stroke, capable of pulling up from virtually anywhere. Remember, Shaun Livingston is 32 years old and Patrick McCaw becomes a free agent this summer. Simons can become an ideal third guard for coach Steve Kerr, especially given his flexibility as an offensive player, though there will certainly be a steep learning curve.

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2018 NBA Draft Talk 

Post#318 » by Quake Griffin » Mon Apr 9, 2018 7:29 am

When you look at a kid like Chandler Hutchinson being mocked in the late 1st round, AGAIN, it makes you want that Rockets pick back that we threw in to complete the Gallo deal. It makes you wonder if we needed to throw it in.

I was against throwing the pick in at the time and I’ve echoed the sentiment all year long.

Now that the draft is reality, I wish we had it so we could try and take a flyer on a guy in the late 1st.

It would probably take trading up from the 30 hole to 24-25 but I don’t think it’s impossible.

Is 3 first round picks over kill? Maybe, particularly if we need to re-up all of them in 4 years but.....keep in mind if we get ANY better and make the playoffs next year (not that far fetched), goodbye 2019 1st rounder.



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Re: 2018 NBA Draft Talk 

Post#319 » by Quake Griffin » Mon Apr 9, 2018 7:43 am

P.S. this post is JUST to add color to the discussion.

Last year I was a fan of DJ Wilson in the draft. Of course, he was mocked to the 2nd round and surprisingly, the Bucks grabbed him with a non lottery pick in the teens. He did nothing this year.

He’s 6’11”. Long arms. Can shoot. Good foot dexterity for a big.

Some Bucks fans were upset and there was a sentiment on their forum that they were tired of their FO selecting people just for height/length.

That said....

Team Mikal and Team Chandler over here.



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DX's Updated Mock Draft via ESPN Insider (4/9) 

Post#320 » by Ranma » Mon Apr 9, 2018 3:11 pm

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