2019 - 2021 Free-Agents

Galloisdaman · Post #301 » by **Galloisdaman** » Mon Feb 4, 2019 7:49 pm

The Pelicans are not going to be interested in nothing players unless they are just contract related.

The Clipps basically have 6 players of value IMO. Tobias, Gallo, Lou, Trezz, SGA and Rome.

The rest of the guys can play a bit but they are never going to play a significant role in a trade for AD.

Ranma · Post #302 » by **Ranma** » Mon Feb 4, 2019 9:41 pm

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donemilio21 · Post #303 » by **donemilio21** » Mon Feb 4, 2019 9:47 pm

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Clippers have no assets except their current future pieces (Gilgeous-Alexander, Robinson, Motley, Wallace, Delgado, Thornwell), so this would have to be a farm trade of cataclysmic proportions. The Chris Paul-to-Rockets trade took seven players.

This one could take about 10. And some of them won't even be on the Pelicans, this could be a multi-team trade. Tyrone Wallace is ineligible to be traded to the Pelicans since the Clippers matched his contract.

and that would hardly work since Pelicans would have to either a) trade some of those players again or b) release some of their own players to make room on the roster.

Post #304 » by **mkwest** » Mon Feb 4, 2019 10:02 pm

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Ranma · Post #305 » by **Ranma** » Mon Feb 4, 2019 10:06 pm

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Ranma · Post #307 » by **Ranma** » Mon Feb 4, 2019 10:36 pm

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Wammy Giveaway · Post #308 » by **Wammy Giveaway** » Mon Feb 4, 2019 11:10 pm

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If Peter Vecsey's opinion is valid, then what the Lakers are plotting to do is make certain that they're the only team allowed to acquire Hall Of Fame superstar talent, with the rest of the league falling behind. What the Lakers aren't doing is just collusion, it's a monopoly.

The monopoly can become impregnable if they get Chris Paul. He is president of the National Basketball Players Association, not to mention a member of Team Banana Boat. Lakers get him, the league is ruined.

No wonder why David Stern vetoed the Lakers trade.

wco81 · Post #309 » by **wco81** » Mon Feb 4, 2019 11:36 pm

If that's true, you have to question AD's judgement.

Lebron is 34 and just had his most number of games missed due to injury. Odds are he's going to be more prone to injury going forward.

He really wants to win and thinks only Lebron is his best route?

Ranma · Post #310 » by **Ranma** » Mon Feb 4, 2019 11:53 pm

Wammy Giveaway wrote:If Peter Vecsey's opinion is valid, then what the Lakers are plotting to do is make certain that they're the only team allowed to acquire Hall Of Fame superstar talent, with the rest of the league falling behind. What the Lakers aren't doing is just collusion, it's a monopoly.

The monopoly can become impregnable if they get Chris Paul. He is president of the National Basketball Players Association, not to mention a member of Team Banana Boat. Lakers get him, the league is ruined.

No wonder why David Stern vetoed the Lakers trade.

I've never been a fan of Vecsey's and I've noted that a couple of times before on this board, but he was connected at one point and accurately reported the Clippers' trade of 1995 #2 overall pick Antonio McDyess for what amounted to Rodney Rogers and Brent Barry prior to the selection being made during a time before social media where breaking news happening before the official announcement of picks was rare.

Having said that, his connections seem to have dried up to the point of being few and far between. He no longer represents a major media outlet and hasn't been seen on the major reporting scene for quite a while. Furthermore, the dude is citing his opinion and not an actual report. Like Stephen A. Smith, his takes tend to be outdated and nonsensical when not backed by any reports of substantive value. Maybe he'll be proven right. Maybe he won't. In either case, his opinion is not significantly any more of value than anyone else's.

With regard to the vetoing of the Chris Paul deal, Demps jumped the gun in saying the deal was approved since David Stern actually had final authority serving as the de facto owner of the Hornets (now Pelicans) back then. The Lakers offer was seen by most to be a bad deal even at the time of the trade, so there wasn't anything nefarious behind Stern's decision. Demps just thought he had authority that he didn't actually possess and Stern prevented the Lakers from swindling him in that instance.

On top of that, Chris Paul going to the Lakers makes no sense at this point for the Lakers. He's overpaid and coming off an injury where he hasn't looked the same on top of being 33 years old. Why would the Lakers--or anybody else for that matter--want to lock themselves into an aging veteran whose best days are clearly behind him while paying him between $35 million and $44 million per over the next 3.5 seasons?

Ranma · Post #311 » by **Ranma** » Tue Feb 5, 2019 1:15 am

Paul Pierce shows why accomplished players typically don't make for good GMs. So teaming with an aging LeBron on the Lakers is better than Kawhi with the Clippers? Even if it was just Kawhi & AD + cap space, a front office with Jerry West advising it should be able to put together a championship-caliber team starting with that stout foundation.

I know Pierce qualified it by saying AD could play with LeBron right now instead of hoping that the Clippers will get someone else later, but did it gloss over the dude's head that the Clippers have been mentioned as a preferred destination in all of the talk from star players wanting to go to other teams? Kawhi, KD, Butler and, even to a lesser extent, Kyrie. It's not a coincidence, Half-Truth.

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Ranma · Post #312 » by **Ranma** » Tue Feb 5, 2019 4:42 am

Quake Griffin wrote:Kyrie wants his own team.
He makes a lot of sense as the guy who wants to take the challenge to bring the Clippers to glory.

I could see him and Shai working at the 1 and 2 oddly enough.

I was a big Kyrie Irving fan even before he went to Duke. I liked him so much that I didn't even want to trade the 2011 draft pick we had in order to unload Baron Davis's bloated butt and contract despite the remote odds of being able to draft him with that selection. As it turned out, the Cavs benefited from our would-be pick by taking him first overall that year.

Having said that, I've grown disenchanted with him for quite a while now. He's certainly skilled and tremendously talented as well as competitive, but I don't like his me-first attitude. I get it. He demands excellence from teammates, but despite having the talent to do so, he doesn't elevate his teammates. He takes after Kobe more so than he does LeBron.

Dude doesn't know what he wants. He wanted to succeed, but chafed at sharing the spotlight after LeBron joined forces with him to secure a championship in Cleveland. I just heard today from Windhorst on the Hoop Collective podcast that he resented Tyronn Lue for having LeBron primarily handle the facilitating duties despite Lue having his back for most of his time as a Cavalier. After initiating a messy breakup with LeBron that put the Cavs in turmoil, he's now making googly eyes at his former regal teammate because he can't deal with the youngsters in Boston.

He wanted the leadership role but then quickly turned into a malcontent when things don't go his way. He's publicly announced that he was going to re-sign with the Celtics on more than one occasion only to now back away from that and proclaim that he doesn't owe anybody anything. Yeah, I get that it was a bit manipulative of the Celtics to put him in that situation, but Kyrie has shown himself to be lacking in credibility or even good sense. The dude thinks the Earth is flat.

For as talented as he is, I'd steer clear away from pursuing him if I'm afforded other options, which the Clippers should have. He may be a great individual talent, but he's shown to be a headache for teams. Plus, his knee injuries are of particular concern for me. Kyrie may be "box office", as Stephe A. Smith puts it, but he's far from being a reliable player to build a team around as a pillar for a franchise.

Personally, I expect him to make his way to the Knicks this summer with the likelihood of Durant joining him there. Whatever the case, I doubt I'll regret missing out on him.

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Ranma · Post #313 » by **Ranma** » Tue Feb 5, 2019 5:15 am

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Quake Griffin · Post #315 » by **Quake Griffin** » Tue Feb 5, 2019 6:52 am

Get over it Demps.

You’re getting Hyundais back.
Maybe a Lexus if you’re lucky.

You don’t trade Anthony Davis and get an Anthony Davis In Return.

TucsonClip · Post #316 » by **TucsonClip** » Tue Feb 5, 2019 6:58 am

Quake Griffin wrote:Get over it Demps.

You’re getting Hyundais back.
Maybe a Lexus if you’re lucky.

You don’t trade Anthony Davis and get an Anthony Davis In Return.

I really don't think they care if they end up getting Hyundai's back, so long as it isn't the Lakers profiting by selling them said Hyundai's.

Ranma · Post #317 » by **Ranma** » Tue Feb 5, 2019 7:24 am

Yeah, I get the sense that they're punishing the Lakers for Magic and Klutch Sports's tampering shenanigans. Demps is probably holding out hope for Jayson Tatum to be included in an offer from Boston, but I also think that he's not really afraid of losing out on the Lakers' current highest offer. He's willing to risk getting less because it likely won't be that much less if so, but I think he's playing his hand well in making the Lakers sweat it out.

I also think he's doing this with advice from Gregg Popovic and Danny Ferry along with encouragement from other GMs not involved in the trade talks because I can't imagine Demps having the backbone or imagination to even come up with this simple hardline approach on his own.

Then again, he must surely realize that his days are likely numbered given how he's mismanaged Anthony Davis's time with the Pelicans, so he may have nothing to lose in being bold by countering with an overpayment demand. Successfully pulling that off might be the only way to keep his job if the Bensons retain ownership. He's practically toast if and when the franchise is sold.

Ranma · Post #318 » by **Ranma** » Tue Feb 5, 2019 8:32 am

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Don Tommy · Post #319 » by **Don Tommy** » Tue Feb 5, 2019 10:03 am

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Zach Kram, TheRinger.com (1/31/19)

Is Anthony Davis the Most Squandered Superstar in NBA History?

I’m starting to question if we should even be considering making a move like this. Do we want to move all of our assets, SGA, Jerome, Tobias, Harrell, multiple first round picks, for a guy that has a 36% winning percentage? We’ll suddenly be the Pelicans all over again. One good player (maybe two if we land Kawhi) but no young players to build with, and very few assets to try and improve our roster with.

Stay the course. Keep hoping the KL rumors are true. Stay away from Jimmy the Cancer. Look for Krhis Middleton instead and look for help at the five. That’s my goal for next year.

Galloisdaman · Post #320 » by **Galloisdaman** » Tue Feb 5, 2019 3:15 pm

AD may be making a Carmelo Anthony to the Knicks type of mistake. Instead of signing with a good team as a UFA he may force a team to gut itself to trade for him.

Who will be a member of the Clippers this summer?