Trade Idea Thread II

PG3 · Post #321 » by **PG3** » Wed May 30, 2012 5:33 am

Hey guys, here's my trade idea.

Clippers trade
Mo Williams
Ryan Gomes

Magic trade
Glen Davis
Jason Richardson

resign Nick Young with the MLE
sign a backup big man (Pryzbilla)
maybe bring back Chauncey 1 more year.

PG. Chris Paul/Eric Bledsoe/Chauncey Billups
SG. Jason Richardson/Travis Leslie
SF. Caron Butler/Tracy McGrady
PF. Blake Griffin/Glen Davis/Trey Thompkins
C. Deandre Jordan/Joel Pryzbilla

Post #322 » by **mkwest** » Wed May 30, 2012 7:12 am

PG3 wrote:Hey guys, here's my trade idea.

Clippers trade
Mo Williams
Ryan Gomes

Magic trade
Glen Davis
Jason Richardson

resign Nick Young with the MLE
sign a backup big man (Pryzbilla)
maybe bring back Chauncey 1 more year.

PG. Chris Paul/Eric Bledsoe/Chauncey Billups
SG. Jason Richardson/Travis Leslie
SF. Caron Butler/Tracy McGrady
PF. Blake Griffin/Glen Davis/Trey Thompkins
C. Deandre Jordan/Joel Pryzbilla

I'm going to tell you why you don't want to do that. Orlando has $22.9M in guaranteed salary on the books in the summer of 2013 (after waiving partially guaranteed contracts of Turkoglu & Duhon). That's not including roster charges, this years 1st rounder or next year's 1st. Let's say that they'll be at $28.8M with those taken into consideration. If the salary cap is at $63M, they are ~$34.2M under the cap. That's already enough to convince a max free-agent to join Howard if they decide roll the dice and not to trade Howard this season.

If we make this trade and they add no long term guaranteed salary between now and then, they would have $45.8M in cap space next summer. That would be enough to re-sign Howard, entice a player like CP3 to jump ship and still have enough to sign a decent 3rd wheel.

Post #323 » by **og15** » Wed May 30, 2012 11:53 am

It's just a lose situation for the Clippers. It's those kind of moves that get teams stuck with nowhere to go. Signing or trading for non impact players that will make you better, but not significantly, and won't take you over the top. I believe the team would also be getting into luxury tax level if re-signing Paul and extending Blake after those moves

Sofia · Post #324 » by **Sofia** » Sun Jun 24, 2012 2:40 am

Thoughts on getting Hickson through s+t, maybe for Mo?

Post #325 » by **og15** » Sun Jun 24, 2012 2:54 am

Not enough range, not a good defender, cant play C, so he doesn't really fill a role for the team. It would be like getting a poor mans Blake.

mike3 · Post #326 » by **mike3** » Mon Jun 25, 2012 9:57 am

The most important thing this offseason imo is making a move to solve our SF issue. I love Caron Butler but he's not the player he used to be, I can't see him putting up starters numbers even though he played well last season. I'm not sure if hes that type of veteran to demand a starting role and upset with anything less but I would love to see us pull a move (maybe a trade with mo, gomes etc for a solid Small Forward) and have Butler off the bench. When he gets hot hes great and off the bench we will get a huge spark when he does and when he cools off or gets tired its not gonna matter because he's the backup SF.

I just dont want to see us with another situation where we've got a huge whole at SF the whole season. We could do a lot worse than Butler but we could also do a lot better than relying on him too much.

Keatonsays · Post #327 » by **Keatonsays** » Mon Jun 25, 2012 12:19 pm

I think Clipper fans are far too quick to throw Caron Butler under the bus. He did struggle offensively for long stretches, but you have to remember that our team had no system in place and were basically forced to rely on natural talent to score. With a full training camp to get a system in place, you can expect better play from all of our players. Caron should get a lot more open looks from coming off screens and having plays actually run for him, rather than him just having the ball and having to do whatever he can with it. In addition, he played very good defense for us over this past season, and there's no better example of that than his work on Rudy Gay in the playoffs. The only good game Rudy Gay had all series, was the one where Caron had to sit out due to a broken hand, which he played with for the rest of the series. You don't trade good character guys like that, who bring that level of toughness to your team, unless you're bringing in a bonafide star. We could bring in somebody who we Think will be a better fit, but could struggle just as much if not worse than Caron has, so trading Caron should be more of a last resort, rather than a first option. Unless we're trading for guys like Rudy Gay, Luol Deng or Andre Igoudala, we should stick to what we know for the most part and work with what we already have. We should be focusing on finding suitable role players right now, not moving any of our starters.

madmaxmedia · Post #328 » by **madmaxmedia** » Fri Jun 29, 2012 6:06 pm

I agree, I don't think the Clippers should go out to try to dump Caron's salary.

If there's a trade for something we want then fine. But I think Caron will be contributor next year. He does a better job justifying his salary (at this point) than DeAndre.

TheNewEra · Post #329 » by **TheNewEra** » Sat Jun 30, 2012 11:45 pm

Jordan had a better season than Butler as far as impact goes and production

ClipperEric · Post #330 » by **ClipperEric** » Sun Jul 1, 2012 3:10 pm

We need a lot more beef down low. DJ's dunks may be exciting but he's not a championship type Center. Despite his block shots, he's actually really bad defensively and a huge liability at the end of games. There's a reason we went with Reggie Evans an KMart throughout the playoffs.

DJ
Caron Butler
Filler (Gomes)

for

Okafor
Ariza

Then we have to resign Reggie Evans. KMart is probably going to leave.

adiedanny · Post #331 » by **adiedanny** » Sun Jul 1, 2012 3:39 pm

ClipperEric wrote:We need a lot more beef down low. DJ's dunks may be exciting but he's not a championship type Center. Despite his block shots, he's actually really bad defensively and a huge liability at the end of games. There's a reason we went with Reggie Evans an KMart throughout the playoffs.

DJ
Caron Butler
Filler (Gomes)

for

Okafor
Ariza

Then we have to resign Reggie Evans. KMart is probably going to leave.

I beg to differ. What championship Center does miami have, Dallas had last year, and so on and so on? Honestly look at your championship teams of the past? The star Center formula for a championship has not been necessary for a long time. The center position is usually a role player, defender or rebounder. Dj just needs to improve his ft, jumper and defensive decisions. I think he is still the perfect compliment to Blake.

Sofia · Post #332 » by **Sofia** » Thu Jul 12, 2012 1:41 am

I just posted this on Suns board.

"Assuming Childress gets bashed with the amnesty hammer, how would a Lopez s+t for Gomes ($4m exp) and a 2nd rounder or 2 work for you guys?"

Thoughts? They seem pretty low on Lopez. Big body with 6 fouls is what we need right now.

mike3 · Post #333 » by **mike3** » Thu Jul 12, 2012 12:53 pm

^^ I actually saw that Lopez is available earlier today, I think he'd be a great guy to seriously consider signing. He started for a while with Suns and if DJ doesn't improve much he might be playing equal/more mins than DJ. I'd like us to go after him. Hell go for Childress and Lopez. We would need a backup SF and C.

SportsFan215 · Post #334 » by **SportsFan215** » Sun Jul 15, 2012 2:56 pm

I was just looking over the trade board and one trade between Memphis and Orlando got me thinking. Memphis is really low on Rudy Gay right now, because of his poor play against us in the playoffs and his contract.

I have always loved his game, and his potential. I think he would be a great 3rd star on our team with CP and Blake, especially if we don't have to give up much.

I was thinking Butler/Gomes/Bledsoe for Gay. The Griz would get an adequate replacement, an expiring, and a young emerging prospect, while I think this would elevate us to even another level than we were at last year. There were many times throughout the year that I felt we were missing that wing presence, and even though we have Crawford now, Gay would make even more of a difference. Yes his contract isn't friendly, but it's only one year longer than Butler's, but the question would be could we afford CP3 (extension assumed), Blake's new contract, DJ, and Gay is the future.

Thoughts?

LOJ · Post #335 » by **LOJ** » Sun Jul 15, 2012 5:42 pm

I would like it, but they can get better offers for Gay. Specially from a team like the Raptors.

Post #336 » by **og15** » Sun Jul 15, 2012 8:56 pm

Do you want to pay $16.5, $17.9 and $19.3M for Rudy Gay over the next three seasons? I sure don't. They already said that Sterling doesn't want to pay three max players in relation to Dwight being teamed up with Blake and Paul, so why would be pay a vastly inferior player?

Having Gay would give the Clippers a "big three" contract wise, but not production wise. This would mean that the roster would have to be rounded out with cheap players because Sterling isn't paying luxury.

Blake next season: $13.7M, Paul ~$18M + Gay = $49.6M

If the team traded for Gay, it basically means you are trading whomever you give up+Paul for Gay because Paul will not be re-signed (he might not want to return to such a cap situation). Paul + Blake + Rudy would be about $49.6 million of the cap taken, and increasing every year. If DJ was supposed to stay in that trade, then you would have 4 players putting you at about $61M. add Jamal Crawford, $65M. So there is a $6M gap before luxury assuming it is $71M next season.

Not happening for many reasons with the most important being that it doesn't improve the team since you would have to cut costs in other places. For example in a trade for him, you had Gomes/Butler/Bledsoe (8+4+1.7 = $13.7, +$2.8M, don't even know if the trade works money wise, but assuming it does).

The next season, to re-sign Paul and stay away from lottery, you would have to let Odom and Billups go. For this season, hope Billups is back early and you play Odom as backup SF because you still don't have on and have increased the payroll by almost $3M.

You could try to build off that next year, try to fill 7 roster spots with $6M. Add Thompkins and Leslie and it is 5 spots with $4.2M. That means time to go shopping in the second round. Trade 1st round pick to a team for two second round picks.

Paul / Cheap FA PG
Crawford / Leslie (0.9K)
Gay / 2nd Rd Pick
Blake / Thompkins (0.9K)
DJ / 2nd Rd Pick

With DJ's contract on the roster, no other high priced player can be added to Blake and Paul while having an owner that isn't going to pay luxury. Even in the above scenario, as they get their yearly raises, the team will go to luxury. Or you try to trade Crawford, then start Leslia? at SG. Worst bench in the NBA.

Neddy · Post #337 » by **Neddy** » Tue Sep 18, 2012 4:03 am

with barnes signing and hill for 2 years, i smell a trade for caron coming soon. hope we dump his salary for a backup SF, start hill with barnes getting most backup minutes and sign darko to compete with DJ for minutes. we can really use at least 1 true low post scorer on the bench.

mike3 · Post #338 » by **mike3** » Tue Sep 18, 2012 11:14 pm

I've liked what Caron has brought to our team, his veteran leadership, playing injured in playoffs etc. Don't really agree, I'd like to see him finish his career here with Billups etc.

Post #339 » by **mkwest** » Tue Sep 18, 2012 11:26 pm

Right now, Caron probably doesn't net more than a player with a longer/bigger contract that another team is trying to free themselves of. I think he does have trade value next season as an $8M expiring. At that point, Bledsoe will be entering the fourth season of his rookie contract and could be combined in a package with Butler to try to add a nice piece.

Like mike, I appreciate Caron's presence on the roster, but I'd move him if it improves the roster.

Post #340 » by **og15** » Wed Sep 19, 2012 4:38 pm

I'd move Caron if there was a better player to acquire, but that is only possible if he is packaged with someone like Bledsoe as mk mentioned. Outside of that, let him expire, and I wouldn't sign him back unless it was a minimum contract as a backup.

Neddy, Darko is a terrible post scorer....