Trade Idea Thread II

[Neddy]

I'd move Caron if there was a better player to acquire, but that is only possible if he is packaged with someone like Bledsoe as mk mentioned. Outside of that, let him expire, and I wouldn't sign him back unless it was a minimum contract as a backup.

Neddy, Darko is a terrible post scorer....

i appreciate caron's toughness, even went out and bought some caron's merchandise after the playoffs last year, but at this point his advanced stats are not looking good compared to our other options at SF and i think his salary can be used to improve this team significantly.

as far as darko is concerned, i dunno if im stereotyping but he reminds me a lot of zeljko rebraca.

maybe it's the greed? since our team has improved i want to go for the kill and build a dynasty out of this DTS' squad. would be nice if DJ can actually become a player worthy of this contract

[scoobs07]

With the max contracts of CP and Blake coming up and the near max contract of DJ, I think the Clips should look to add pieces through the draft. I'm talking about a long term small forward and/or long term shooting guard. I think Bledsoe will have a great year and avg like 8ppg/3rpg/4apg/1.5spg, he may establish himself as the best back up PG in the NBA, like Darren Collison did a few years back. Bledsoe's contracts is up soon and the Clips just might not be able to afford him. During the 2013 draft, the Clippers could look to shop him and their (hopefully late 20s first round pick). If the Clips could just get into the top ten and find a wing player that they really like, they won't have to worry about that contract for 4 years, this could end up being a James Harden type player.

[TheNewEra]

Agree with the above but I would rather try all avenues of trying to keep Bledsoe long -term first . Wouldnt hurt either to just stop trading our picks unless a prospect is coming back. Trading a 1st in the potential Dwight deal to get Brooks is a move that was worth thinking about but using it to swap salaries like Baron deal is terrible.

Would of been nice to have had a pick this last draft could of had Perry Jones, Quincy Miller or etc but then again that pick was Bledsoe so it made sense in this past draft why we didnt have a pick.

[scoobs07]

I am all for bringing back Bledsoe long term, but there are several questions about that:

1. Does Bledsoe want to be a starting PG in the NBA? If he does, its not going to happen with CP on the roster.

2. Would the Clippers want Bledsoe as their starting SG? He is certainly strong enough and he has the wing span to play the position, but do the Clippers want a more traditional SG (a 6-5 jump shooter type)

3. Would the Clippers be willing to pay Bledsoe 5-8 million per year to be the back up PG/SG?

I could see the Clippers trading Bledsoe for a low salary 6-5 jump shooter type draft pick. They kill two birds with one stone that way.

[og15]

^Crawford is signed for a four years, so he's now in the long term plans, which gives the option for the Clippers to do what some other teams do; a more defensive guy starts, and a more offensive guy comes off the bench.

Problem is that the team needs a dead eye shooter at either SG or SF to do that, and Bledsoe right now is a bad 3PT shooter, while Butler is mediocre and not really a guy for the future.

So if they go that option, Bledsoe's spot up 3PT shooting needs to show improvement, or a really good 3PT shooting SF needs to be added. EG: Dorell Wright is a FA after this season and Brandon Rush has a $4M player option, but Caron and Hill are signed for two years, so Caron would have to be gone to sign another SF. So in two seasons, that could be an option.

Also, being able to re-sign Odom for ~MLE type money or less if he performs well enough this season would help. Certainly isn't going to be given $8 million at this stage.

[scoobs07]

^Crawford is signed for a four years, so he's now in the long term plans, which gives the option for the Clippers to do what some other teams do; a more defensive guy starts, and a more offensive guy comes off the bench.

Problem is that the team needs a dead eye shooter at either SG or SF to do that, and Bledsoe right now is a bad 3PT shooter, while Butler is mediocre and not really a guy for the future.

So if they go that option, Bledsoe's spot up 3PT shooting needs to show improvement, or a really good 3PT shooting SF needs to be added. EG: Dorell Wright is a FA after this season and Brandon Rush has a $4M player option, but Caron and Hill are signed for two years, so Caron would have to be gone to sign another SF. So in two seasons, that could be an option.

Also, being able to re-sign Odom for ~MLE type money or less if he performs well enough this season would help. Certainly isn't going to be given $8 million at this stage.

Crawford's deal is only guarenteed for 2 years, the same time Butler and Hill's contract expires. That being said, I am down with Bledsoe as the starting SG of 2013-2014 and for the future. I agree that we would need a three point shooting SF. We could try to fill that role by drafting one and/or signing one with the MLE.

[GrapeApe]

Eric Bledsoe to Houston for Pat Patterson?

Bledsoe is buried on the bench. Patterson will likely start this season in Houston but they have 15 power forward and aren't winning anything this year away.

Patterson averaged 7.7 points 4.5 rebounds but only started one game. In that game he scored 8 and grabbed 7.

Bledsoe averaged 3.3 points and 1.7 assists. He started one game scoring 2 and dishing 5. But he did show flashes in the playoffs scoring 14 and 6 on game against Memphis and 23 and 2 against San Antonio.

[ejftw]

Eric Bledsoe to Houston for Pat Patterson?

Bledsoe is buried on the bench. Patterson will likely start this season in Houston but they have 15 power forward and aren't winning anything this year away.

Patterson averaged 7.7 points 4.5 rebounds but only started one game. In that game he scored 8 and grabbed 7.

Bledsoe averaged 3.3 points and 1.7 assists. He started one game scoring 2 and dishing 5. But he did show flashes in the playoffs scoring 14 and 6 on game against Memphis and 23 and 2 against San Antonio.

Not even close, why would the Clips trade arguably the best backup point guard in the league for a guy that plays the same position as Blake Griffin.

[Quake Griffin]

what do you guys think about signing Josh Smith in the offseason and putting him at the 3?

[thanumba2clippersfan]

what do you guys think about signing Josh Smith in the offseason and putting him at the 3?

That's come up quite a bit on this forum. I think Smith is at his best as a PF not a SF. He doesn't have the shooting.

[og15]

Eric Bledsoe to Houston for Pat Patterson?

Bledsoe is buried on the bench. Patterson will likely start this season in Houston but they have 15 power forward and aren't winning anything this year away.

Patterson averaged 7.7 points 4.5 rebounds but only started one game. In that game he scored 8 and grabbed 7.

Bledsoe averaged 3.3 points and 1.7 assists. He started one game scoring 2 and dishing 5. But he did show flashes in the playoffs scoring 14 and 6 on game against Memphis and 23 and 2 against San Antonio.

You do realize who the Clippers second best player is, right? The only reasonable trades for Bledsoe are for a SF in a package with Caron, or a future starting SG for the team. Hill is retiring after this year, Caron isn't that young, and Billups isn't a long term solution due to age.

About Josh Smith, numba2 is right, he's not a good SF, much better PF, and a poor fit for this team due to his lack of shooting. Also, don't even think the Clippers can afford him.

[scoobs07]

Eric Bledsoe to Houston for Pat Patterson?

Bledsoe is buried on the bench. Patterson will likely start this season in Houston but they have 15 power forward and aren't winning anything this year away.

Patterson averaged 7.7 points 4.5 rebounds but only started one game. In that game he scored 8 and grabbed 7.

Bledsoe averaged 3.3 points and 1.7 assists. He started one game scoring 2 and dishing 5. But he did show flashes in the playoffs scoring 14 and 6 on game against Memphis and 23 and 2 against San Antonio.

You do realize who the Clippers second best player is, right? The only reasonable trades for Bledsoe are for a SF in a package with Caron, or a future starting SG for the team. Hill is retiring after this year, Caron isn't that young, and Billups isn't a long term solution due to age.

About Josh Smith, numba2 is right, he's not a good SF, much better PF, and a poor fit for this team due to his lack of shooting. Also, don't even think the Clippers can afford him.

OG, i agree with your post. If Bledsoe were to be dealt, I would think it would be for a long term fit at. The 2 or 3, and sending Butler out as part of the deal would be a plus. Whoever they get better be a damn good shooter to compliment Blake/DJ on the inside with their developing post games, and of course CP's picking and rolling, etc.

[maljanNBAfan]

Eric Bledsoe to Houston for Pat Patterson?

Bledsoe is buried on the bench. Patterson will likely start this season in Houston but they have 15 power forward and aren't winning anything this year away.

Patterson averaged 7.7 points 4.5 rebounds but only started one game. In that game he scored 8 and grabbed 7.

Bledsoe averaged 3.3 points and 1.7 assists. He started one game scoring 2 and dishing 5. But he did show flashes in the playoffs scoring 14 and 6 on game against Memphis and 23 and 2 against San Antonio.

You do realize who the Clippers second best player is, right? The only reasonable trades for Bledsoe are for a SF in a package with Caron, or a future starting SG for the team. Hill is retiring after this year, Caron isn't that young, and Billups isn't a long term solution due to age.

About Josh Smith, numba2 is right, he's not a good SF, much better PF, and a poor fit for this team due to his lack of shooting. Also, don't even think the Clippers can afford him.

OG, i agree with your post. If Bledsoe were to be dealt, I would think it would be for a long term fit at. The 2 or 3, and sending Butler out as part of the deal would be a plus. Whoever they get better be a damn good shooter to compliment Blake/DJ on the inside with their developing post games, and of course CP's picking and rolling, etc.

You're right - a strong-shooting player would compliment Blake / DJ nicely.

[scoobs07]

Players that interest me as potential fits for the Clippers are Chase Buddinger, Aaron Afflalo and James Harden. All three of these guys are money from the corner three and all three happen to be from SoCal. Afflalo and Harden are great defenders two. Aflalo can even play some three, especially in VDNs small line up.

[Neddy]

Eric Bledsoe to Houston for Pat Patterson?

Bledsoe is buried on the bench. Patterson will likely start this season in Houston but they have 15 power forward and aren't winning anything this year away.

Patterson averaged 7.7 points 4.5 rebounds but only started one game. In that game he scored 8 and grabbed 7.

Bledsoe averaged 3.3 points and 1.7 assists. He started one game scoring 2 and dishing 5. But he did show flashes in the playoffs scoring 14 and 6 on game against Memphis and 23 and 2 against San Antonio.

i can see that this brother doesn't watch our games much.

good luck to your team and hope jeremy lin works out for you. you won't need our fan favorite.

[inquisitive]

Eric Bledsoe to Houston for Pat Patterson?

Bledsoe is buried on the bench. Patterson will likely start this season in Houston but they have 15 power forward and aren't winning anything this year away.

Patterson averaged 7.7 points 4.5 rebounds but only started one game. In that game he scored 8 and grabbed 7.

Bledsoe averaged 3.3 points and 1.7 assists. He started one game scoring 2 and dishing 5. But he did show flashes in the playoffs scoring 14 and 6 on game against Memphis and 23 and 2 against San Antonio.

This won't work. The Clippers would want more than that. Plus, the Rockets already have Lin. If they hadn't signed Lin, i would have been in favor of a trade for Bledsoe.

[scoobs07]

Clips get: Buddinger, Ridnour, Amundsen, 2013 Gst 1st, 2013 TWolves 1st

TWolves get: Burks and Milsap

Utah get: Bledsoe and Butler

Clips get expert corner three point shooter in Buddinger, save 6 million off next seasons payroll and get two 1st that could be used for a rookies to replace the likes of Odom, Hill and Billups.

[RaulLopez]

Jazz fan here, and after seeing what Bledsoe did last night and the fact that Mo Williams is OK but not great and the Jazz needing a long term solution at PG, not a 30 year old one. And the Clips basically have the best PG in the game, when will Bledsoe play. I came in here to ask what the Jazz have you would take for Bledsoe. I would say the Jazz would jump all over that deal you have listed. Burks and Millsap out for Bledsoe.

I came in to ask, is there any player or picks the Jazz could offer for Bledsoe. I also read in the posts you are looking for a long term wing player. Would you take either Burks or Hayward straight up for Bledsoe? The trade checker says it works.

Is there anyone you would trade for Bledsoe on the Jazz? I mean in my opinion, there is no one on the Jazz that could not be replaced and the Jazz really need future PG.

[Neddy]

when will Bledsoe play.

when CP3 sits.

as for the trade idea, bledsoe for kanter, straight up, after CP3 signs long term deal after this season.

[RaulLopez]

What I meant by play was. A amount of time he needs grow and become a great player. If CP3 plays 37 minutes a game. Does not leave much for Bledsoe. And when Billups gets healthy. Just saying, coaches like vets because they are more stable, you know what you will get every night, compared to a young guy.

I personally would do the Kanter swap, but salaries are not close, you would have to throw in Green to match up. I was scared you would ask for Favors, he has more upside. But they are both going to be great. Favors is D Howard, but can make a free throw. Kanter is Kevin Love, with out the 3. Both going to be fantastic in the league. Favors can change the game with his defense. Kanter can control a game with his rebounding. Both can score.

But I mean if you take Kanter, Jazz still have Jefferson, Millsap and Favors up front for PF/C. Jazz still have Williams, Hayward, Burks and Foye at the wings, who are awesome. And Bledsoe learns the offense this year under Mo and takes the starting job next year. I would be thrilled about that.

Dream come true. Wont happen. O well.