The Clipper General Board w/Random Thoughts, Youth Development, Ex Clippers Shinin', etc. Extravaganza

[Clemenza]

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Zu's contract is a hell of a bargin now. Hope he wins

[esqtvd]

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[Ballings7]

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Simmons and Lowe give Kawhi and LAC their flowers for 40+ minutes basically : )

Good listen heading into the next game. Some pretty special accomplishments, comparisons, and stats reeled off on Kawhi in there too.

[Ballings7]

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/280465/Sixers-Linked-With-Potential-Trade-Talks-For-Kevin-Durant-Lauri-Markkanen

Incredible.. so, PG13 may not even get a chance to redeem himself in Philly, and go to shaky Phoenix (until further), or lowly Utah. Or somewhere else.

Philly's all like "Y'all want #3? Gotta take Paul, too."

Man he may well be out of there, after 1 season and it just sucked for him.

[Clemenza]

I wonder what's going through the mind of L. Frank and Ballmer right now knowing they kicked SGA to the curb. Our moral will be cooked if he leads OKC to a championship.

[nickhx2]

my guess is they had those thoughts some time ago lol.

hopefully they're adaptive about it, learned something from it, and have moved on.

[ERClips]

Coming on 6 years since the trade I’m sure they’ve dealt with the mistake. But Kawhi wanted PG too so this falls just as heavily on him.
Oh well it’s history now. Gotta move on

[MartinToVaught]

I wonder what's going through the mind of L. Frank and Ballmer right now knowing they kicked SGA to the curb. Our moral will be cooked if he leads OKC to a championship.

Hopefully what's going through Ballmer's mind is to fire Frank and finally build a real front office.

[esqtvd]

Coming on 6 years since the trade I’m sure they’ve dealt with the mistake. But Kawhi wanted PG too so this falls just as heavily on him.
Oh well it’s history now. Gotta move on

Obtained a HOFer and a near-HOFer for a very good 2nd year player and some picks that projected to be in the 20s. Nobody knew Shai would be an All-Star let alone a possible HOFer himself. Hindsight is perfect.

Frank was the one who traded up for Shai in the first place, a great move. And 213 was Ballmer's baby all the way, make no mistake. He was impatient and arrogant and thought he'd eventually buy a chip. Remember, GSW was blowing through the sal cap and paying whatever lux tax it took to stay at the top. Ballmer thought he could do the same, until his fellow owners bushwhacked him [and GSW] with the new CBA.

This crying is tiresome. 6 YEARS later. 213 failed because of injuries and now the CBA, not design. The Celts managed one title but now Jaylen Brown has knee trouble and Jayson Tatum may never be the same after the Achilles tear--the Celts might be finished. So it goes.

[Clemenza]

A future star player without question. And for the record nobody can foresee a MVP for a player after one year in the league. Even Jordan and Bron had to take lumps and build respect and crediblity before winning their MVP's. This kid had it from day one and should been on the no trade list, period! Even our no development policy would not have derailed or sabotaged him. He was going to break through regardless.

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[esqtvd]

A future star player without question. And for the record nobody can foresee a MVP for a player after one year in the league. Even Jordan and Bron had to take lumps and build respect and crediblity before winning their MVP's. This kid had it from day one and should been on the no trade list, period! Even our no development policy would not have derailed or sabotaged him. He was going to break through regardless.

Read on Twitter

You have to give up something to get something. REWIND: We all knew he was good but yes, NOBODY predicted Shai as an All-NBA or MVP. #12 pick, not an elite pick like Bron or MJ.

Let's get real here. Obtained a HOFer and a near-HOFer for a very good 2nd year player and some picks that projected to be in the 20s. Nobody knew Shai would be an All-Star let alone a possible HOFer himself. Hindsight is perfect.

Folks, until this year OKC hasn't done jack in the playoffs either. One playoff series win against the Pelicans. Yes, the OKies are better positioned NOW with Shai and Jalen Williams instead of Kawhi and PG but first they went

44-28 [COVID year, first round loss]
22-50 [no playoffs]
24-48 [no playoffs]
40-42 [no playoffs]
____
57-25 [2nd round elimination]
68-14 [possible NBA champion]

255-207 .552

Ballmer took his shot. It didn't pan out. Over the same span the Clippers went

2019–20: 49-23 [Lost in Western Conference Semifinals]
2020–21: 47-25 [Lost in Western Conference Finals]
2021–22: 42-40 [No playoffs]
2022–23: 44-38 [Lost in First Round]
2023–24: 51-31 [Lost in First Round]
2024–25: 50-32 [Lost in First Round]

Total: 283-189 .600

NOBODY knows what's going to happen 6 years down the road. And Ballmer thought he could spend his way out of any 213 complications until his fellow owners AMBUSHED him with the new CBA. And Shai signed a team-friendly 5-yr/$173M extension in August 2021---with the OKies having no choice [ONLY $40 million a year, lol] and he didn't even become an All-Star until a year later.

So let's not pretend any of us knew what would happen, or that 213 was a total disaster. OKC paid their dirty dues to get where they are, and Ballmer [understandably] wasn't willing to pay them, with bottomless pockets and an LA location instead of BumFKKK, USA.

It's been SIX YEARS, folks. "I told you so" has a shelf life, an expiration date, and a statute of limitations. Even if you DID "tell us so," which you probably didn't, it's SIX years, ffs. Mercy.

[Clemenza]

A future star player without question. And for the record nobody can foresee a MVP for a player after one year in the league. Even Jordan and Bron had to take lumps and build respect and crediblity before winning their MVP's. This kid had it from day one and should been on the no trade list, period! Even our no development policy would not have derailed or sabotaged him. He was going to break through regardless.

Read on Twitter

You have to give up something to get something. REWIND: We all knew he was good but yes, NOBODY predicted Shai as an All-NBA or MVP. #12 pick, not a top pick.

Let's get real here. Obtained a HOFer and a near-HOFer for a very good 2nd year player and some picks that projected to be in the 20s. Nobody knew Shai would be an All-Star let alone a possible HOFer himself. Hindsight is perfect.

Folks, until this year OKC hasn't done jack in the playoffs either. One playoff series win against the Pelicans. Yes, the OKies are better positioned NOW with Shai and Jalen Williams instead of Kawhi and PG but first they went

44-28 [COVID year, first round loss]
22-50 [no playoffs]
24-48 [no playoffs]
40-42 [no playoffs]
____
57-25 [2nd round elimination]
68-14 [possible NBA champion]

255-207 .552

Ballmer took his shot. It didn't pan out. Over the same span the Clippers went

2019–20: 49-23 [Lost in Western Conference Semifinals]
2020–21: 47-25 [Lost in Western Conference Finals]
2021–22: 42-40 [No playoffs]
2022–23: 44-38 [Lost in First Round]
2023–24: 51-31 [Lost in First Round]
2024–25: 50-32 [Lost in First Round]

Total: 283-189 .600

NOBODY knows what's going to happen 6 years down the road. And Ballmer thought he could spend his way out of any 213 complications until his fellow owners AMBUSHED him with the new CBA. And Shai signed a team-friendly 5-yr/$173M extension in August, 2021 with the OKies having no choice [ONLY $40 million a year, lol] and he didn't even become an All-Star until a year later.

So let's not pretend any of us knew what would happen, or that 213 was a total disaster. OKC paid their dirty dues to get where they are, and Ballmer [understandably] wasn't willing to pay them, with bottomless pockets and an LA location instead of BumFKKK, USA.

Nobody can predict a MVP. Even Jordan and Bron had to go through the wringer to reach their MVP's and championships. So all that "But nobody knew he was going to be an MVP" talk is meaningless. This isn't even a hindsight 20/20 topic. MVP or not, that kid was absolutely perfect player for this franchise, period. We all saw it and we all knew it. PG wasn't even Kawhi's first choice for a running mate. It was KD or Jimmy Butler. So this whole thing was a farce from the jump. We know he had a couple of rough years early on in OKC. SGA didn't even looked good in the Bubble playing next to CP3 honesty, but he credits him in helping become a true pro for whatever that's worth. But they moved CP3 and SGA took off and the rest was history. We f*cked up period. Some players are supposed to be a "Clipper." Blake, SGA, Mann, etc. It is what it is. God forbid they win the championship. This right here is just child's play, if they win it all its meltdown-pondering the meaning of life status around these parts. Even your stat posting won't make a dent in the carnage that'll devour this forum.

[esqtvd]

A future star player without question. And for the record nobody can foresee a MVP for a player after one year in the league. Even Jordan and Bron had to take lumps and build respect and crediblity before winning their MVP's. This kid had it from day one and should been on the no trade list, period! Even our no development policy would not have derailed or sabotaged him. He was going to break through regardless.

Read on Twitter

You have to give up something to get something. REWIND: We all knew he was good but yes, NOBODY predicted Shai as an All-NBA or MVP. #12 pick, not a top pick.

Let's get real here. Obtained a HOFer and a near-HOFer for a very good 2nd year player and some picks that projected to be in the 20s. Nobody knew Shai would be an All-Star let alone a possible HOFer himself. Hindsight is perfect.

Folks, until this year OKC hasn't done jack in the playoffs either. One playoff series win against the Pelicans. Yes, the OKies are better positioned NOW with Shai and Jalen Williams instead of Kawhi and PG but first they went

44-28 [COVID year, first round loss]
22-50 [no playoffs]
24-48 [no playoffs]
40-42 [no playoffs]
____
57-25 [2nd round elimination]
68-14 [possible NBA champion]

255-207 .552

Ballmer took his shot. It didn't pan out. Over the same span the Clippers went

2019–20: 49-23 [Lost in Western Conference Semifinals]
2020–21: 47-25 [Lost in Western Conference Finals]
2021–22: 42-40 [No playoffs]
2022–23: 44-38 [Lost in First Round]
2023–24: 51-31 [Lost in First Round]
2024–25: 50-32 [Lost in First Round]

Total: 283-189 .600

NOBODY knows what's going to happen 6 years down the road. And Ballmer thought he could spend his way out of any 213 complications until his fellow owners AMBUSHED him with the new CBA. And Shai signed a team-friendly 5-yr/$173M extension in August, 2021 with the OKies having no choice [ONLY $40 million a year, lol] and he didn't even become an All-Star until a year later.

So let's not pretend any of us knew what would happen, or that 213 was a total disaster. OKC paid their dirty dues to get where they are, and Ballmer [understandably] wasn't willing to pay them, with bottomless pockets and an LA location instead of BumFKKK, USA.

Nobody can predict a MVP. Even Jordan and Bron had to go through the wringer to reach their MVP's and championships. So all that "But nobody knew he was going to be an MVP" talk is meaningless. This isn't even a hindsight 20/20 topic. MVP or not, that kid was absolutely perfect player for this franchise, period. We all saw it and we all knew it. PG wasn't even Kawhi's first choice for a running mate. It was KD or Jimmy Butler. So this whole thing was a farce from the jump. We know he had a couple of rough years early on in OKC. SGA didn't even looked good in the Bubble playing next to CP3 honesty, but he credits him in helping become a true pro for whatever that's worth. But they moved CP3 and SGA took off and the rest was history. We f*cked up period. Some players are supposed to be a "Clipper." Blake, SGA, Mann, etc. It is what it is. God forbid they win the championship. This right here is just child's play, if they win it all its meltdown-pondering the meaning of life status around these parts. Even your stat posting won't make a dent in the carnage that'll devour this forum.

All my "stat-posting" is the facts. Argue with them if you can, but you don't get to brush them off.

Should Ballmer have gone for CHARACTER instead? 4 CRAP seasons, like OKC's--in an NBA butthole that Harden, Durant, Westbrook and CP3 all abandoned?


44-28 [COVID year, first round loss]
22-50 [no playoffs]
24-48 [no playoffs]
40-42 [no playoffs]

Different question. You're not hearing me.

[donemilio21]

Ballmer took his shot. It didn't pan out. Over the same span the Clippers went

2019–20: 49-23 [Lost in Western Conference Semifinals]
2020–21: 47-25 [Lost in Western Conference Finals]
2021–22: 42-40 [No playoffs]
2022–23: 44-38 [Lost in First Round]
2023–24: 51-31 [Lost in First Round]
2024–25: 50-32 [Lost in First Round]

Total: 283-189 .600
.

I think the issue here is that Thunder has a legitimate chance to a dynasty while we are stuck in mediocrity. One play in exit, and three first round exits in the last 4 years, and there is not a single attempt to change anything. Mediocre front office, mediocre coach, mediocre former stars. There isn't a progress here. There is no hope.

[Clemenza]

You have to give up something to get something. REWIND: We all knew he was good but yes, NOBODY predicted Shai as an All-NBA or MVP. #12 pick, not a top pick.

Let's get real here. Obtained a HOFer and a near-HOFer for a very good 2nd year player and some picks that projected to be in the 20s. Nobody knew Shai would be an All-Star let alone a possible HOFer himself. Hindsight is perfect.

Folks, until this year OKC hasn't done jack in the playoffs either. One playoff series win against the Pelicans. Yes, the OKies are better positioned NOW with Shai and Jalen Williams instead of Kawhi and PG but first they went

44-28 [COVID year, first round loss]
22-50 [no playoffs]
24-48 [no playoffs]
40-42 [no playoffs]
____
57-25 [2nd round elimination]
68-14 [possible NBA champion]

255-207 .552

Ballmer took his shot. It didn't pan out. Over the same span the Clippers went

2019–20: 49-23 [Lost in Western Conference Semifinals]
2020–21: 47-25 [Lost in Western Conference Finals]
2021–22: 42-40 [No playoffs]
2022–23: 44-38 [Lost in First Round]
2023–24: 51-31 [Lost in First Round]
2024–25: 50-32 [Lost in First Round]

Total: 283-189 .600

NOBODY knows what's going to happen 6 years down the road. And Ballmer thought he could spend his way out of any 213 complications until his fellow owners AMBUSHED him with the new CBA. And Shai signed a team-friendly 5-yr/$173M extension in August, 2021 with the OKies having no choice [ONLY $40 million a year, lol] and he didn't even become an All-Star until a year later.

So let's not pretend any of us knew what would happen, or that 213 was a total disaster. OKC paid their dirty dues to get where they are, and Ballmer [understandably] wasn't willing to pay them, with bottomless pockets and an LA location instead of BumFKKK, USA.

Nobody can predict a MVP. Even Jordan and Bron had to go through the wringer to reach their MVP's and championships. So all that "But nobody knew he was going to be an MVP" talk is meaningless. This isn't even a hindsight 20/20 topic. MVP or not, that kid was absolutely perfect player for this franchise, period. We all saw it and we all knew it. PG wasn't even Kawhi's first choice for a running mate. It was KD or Jimmy Butler. So this whole thing was a farce from the jump. We know he had a couple of rough years early on in OKC. SGA didn't even looked good in the Bubble playing next to CP3 honesty, but he credits him in helping become a true pro for whatever that's worth. But they moved CP3 and SGA took off and the rest was history. We f*cked up period. Some players are supposed to be a "Clipper." Blake, SGA, Mann, etc. It is what it is. God forbid they win the championship. This right here is just child's play, if they win it all its meltdown-pondering the meaning of life status around these parts. Even your stat posting won't make a dent in the carnage that'll devour this forum.

All my "stat-posting" is the facts. Argue with them if you can, but you don't get to brush them off.

Should Ballmer have gone for CHARACTER instead? 4 CRAP seasons, like OKC's--in an NBA butthole that Harden, Durant, Westbrook and CP3 all abandoned?


44-28 [COVID year, first round loss]
22-50 [no playoffs]
24-48 [no playoffs]
40-42 [no playoffs]

Different question. You're not hearing me.

You stats are definitely facts, but you're posting like this is the first time we've discussed SGA on here when in fact this has been discussed ad nauseam for the past 3-4 years. This scenario playing out is now personal and even you know that. We're now finally coming to the endgame and finale of "the trade". The part where SGA takes a team deep into the playoffs and possible to a championship while we're at home and not knowing which way is up when it comes to our aging roster and depleted draft cupboard. I'm just saying, apply your stats to the context of what's finally happening in this 5 year long saga that's finally coming to a head or even a conclusion. We're not robots. The tension is high right now whether you want to acknowledge it or not. You can play Spock on Star Trek and give us the logical stats with a stoic demeanor, but after all that Captain Kirk is still going to want to know you REALLY feel about the situation.

And the OKC timeline with SGA probably would've been different with us. SGA, young Zu, all of our picks, and open cap space.. Ballmer has ADD and this is Los Angeles. He wouldn't take the long route like Presti did. Presti could've speed things up with all those picks but refused and played the long game.

[Clemenza]

Ballmer took his shot. It didn't pan out. Over the same span the Clippers went

2019–20: 49-23 [Lost in Western Conference Semifinals]
2020–21: 47-25 [Lost in Western Conference Finals]
2021–22: 42-40 [No playoffs]
2022–23: 44-38 [Lost in First Round]
2023–24: 51-31 [Lost in First Round]
2024–25: 50-32 [Lost in First Round]

Total: 283-189 .600
.

I think the issue here is that Thunder has a legitimate chance to a dynasty while we are stuck in mediocrity. One play in exit, and three first round exits in the last 4 years, and there is not a single attempt to change anything. Mediocre front office, mediocre coach, mediocre former stars. There isn't a progress here. There is no hope.

All of Frank's moves are basically him chasing the ghost of SGA/PG trade and trying to make right. Now its the breaking point where our core is old and now the final frontier is that they have to hit on a pick or a player already in the fold. And having a guy like Ty Lue defeats this purpose ten fold. These stacked young OKC, Indiana, Minnesota type teams going 10-12 deep coming at you in waves are here now with more on the way. Do we adapt for still keep trying to hype the fanbase on open cap space two years from now but still refusing to develop a soul for proper team building and the fact that younger players tend to have cheaper contracts which helps fight off the cap and the CBA aprons.

[esqtvd]

Ballmer. Not Frank. You're not hearing me. If you're looking for scapegoats, start at the top.

These stacked young OKC, Indiana, Minnesota

...teams have been crap in this same time span until the last year or two. Ballmer was not in for that.

Wearing me tf out, bro.

Ballmer took his shot. It didn't pan out. Over the same span the Clippers went

2019–20: 49-23 [Lost in Western Conference Semifinals]
2020–21: 47-25 [Lost in Western Conference Finals]
2021–22: 42-40 [No playoffs]
2022–23: 44-38 [Lost in First Round]
2023–24: 51-31 [Lost in First Round]
2024–25: 50-32 [Lost in First Round]

Total: 283-189 .600

[Clemenza]

Ballmer. Not Frank. You're not hearing me. If you're looking for scapegoats, start at the top.

These stacked young OKC, Indiana, Minnesota

...teams have been crap in this same time span until the last year or two. Ballmer was not in for that.

Wearing me tf out, bro.

Ballmer took his shot. It didn't pan out. Over the same span the Clippers went

2019–20: 49-23 [Lost in Western Conference Semifinals]
2020–21: 47-25 [Lost in Western Conference Finals]
2021–22: 42-40 [No playoffs]
2022–23: 44-38 [Lost in First Round]
2023–24: 51-31 [Lost in First Round]
2024–25: 50-32 [Lost in First Round]

Total: 283-189 .600

Wearing you out? I was replying to Donemilio21

I'm fully aware that Ballmer is behind this to a large extent. Those teams lost early on to win now. And now we could be doing the reversal. But it doesn't matter cause now their backs against wall in the team overall age and now they're forced to hit on a pick or a beloved G Leaguer shows somethings or else we will be doing the OKC, Indy, and Minny reversal. Even Adam Ausland is having a melt down on his Youtube show tonight and has the tone like he wants to un-live himself. Let people vent man. You can't police everything. And like I said this is just the tip of the iceberg. If they win the whole thing you might want to stay away from all things Clipper related on the internet for a couple of weeks.

[MartinToVaught]

I think the issue here is that Thunder has a legitimate chance to a dynasty while we are stuck in mediocrity. One play in exit, and three first round exits in the last 4 years, and there is not a single attempt to change anything. Mediocre front office, mediocre coach, mediocre former stars. There isn't a progress here. There is no hope.

It's not even just the trade or what OKC's doing, though that's bad enough. This team also chokes in the most embarrassing and painful ways every single year, and that was already the case long before the trade happened. It's gotten so bad that nobody even makes fun of the Clippers for it anymore because it's just the expected outcome of our season. And yet not only does the organization itself not seem to be particularly embarrassed by this, it's like they don't even care. As long as we're not tanking, that's apparently good enough for everyone to keep their jobs and no meaningful changes to be made.

If this was the Lakers, Celtics, Warriors, Heat, Spurs, etc. - you know, a franchise that actually wins things - and they put out that gutless "effort" in Game 7 against Denver, the whole front office and coaching staff would have already been fired and half the roster would be traded this summer. Instead all we're getting is the annual press conference where Frank blows smoke up our asses about "getting younger and more athletic" for the millionth year in a row. No accountability, no changes. We have the oldest team in the NBA, haven't won a playoff series in half a decade and have nothing to look forward to but more of the same.

[Ballings7]

A future star player without question. And for the record nobody can foresee a MVP for a player after one year in the league. Even Jordan and Bron had to take lumps and build respect and crediblity before winning their MVP's. This kid had it from day one and should been on the no trade list, period! Even our no development policy would not have derailed or sabotaged him. He was going to break through regardless.

Read on Twitter

You have to give up something to get something. REWIND: We all knew he was good but yes, NOBODY predicted Shai as an All-NBA or MVP. #12 pick, not an elite pick like Bron or MJ.

Let's get real here. Obtained a HOFer and a near-HOFer for a very good 2nd year player and some picks that projected to be in the 20s. Nobody knew Shai would be an All-Star let alone a possible HOFer himself. Hindsight is perfect.

Folks, until this year OKC hasn't done jack in the playoffs either. One playoff series win against the Pelicans. Yes, the OKies are better positioned NOW with Shai and Jalen Williams instead of Kawhi and PG but first they went

44-28 [COVID year, first round loss]
22-50 [no playoffs]
24-48 [no playoffs]
40-42 [no playoffs]
____
57-25 [2nd round elimination]
68-14 [possible NBA champion]

255-207 .552

Ballmer took his shot. It didn't pan out. Over the same span the Clippers went

2019–20: 49-23 [Lost in Western Conference Semifinals]
2020–21: 47-25 [Lost in Western Conference Finals]
2021–22: 42-40 [No playoffs]
2022–23: 44-38 [Lost in First Round]
2023–24: 51-31 [Lost in First Round]
2024–25: 50-32 [Lost in First Round]

Total: 283-189 .600

NOBODY knows what's going to happen 6 years down the road. And Ballmer thought he could spend his way out of any 213 complications until his fellow owners AMBUSHED him with the new CBA. And Shai signed a team-friendly 5-yr/$173M extension in August 2021---with the OKies having no choice [ONLY $40 million a year, lol] and he didn't even become an All-Star until a year later.

So let's not pretend any of us knew what would happen, or that 213 was a total disaster. OKC paid their dirty dues to get where they are, and Ballmer [understandably] wasn't willing to pay them, with bottomless pockets and an LA location instead of BumFKKK, USA.

It's been SIX YEARS, folks. "I told you so" has a shelf life, an expiration date, and a statute of limitations. Even if you DID "tell us so," which you probably didn't, it's SIX years, ffs. Mercy.

Agree with this.

The OKC glaring over to the other side of the street doesn't make much sense.