2017 Offseason Thread

"Dan Woike ✔ @DanWoikeSports
A DJ-Griffin-Gallinari frontcourt allows for creative combinations. The question, though, is Doc creative enough to take advantage of them?"

this is so damning lol

Ranma · Post #372 » by **Ranma** » Mon Jul 3, 2017 8:24 am

Personally, I favor Gay more than I do Gallinari. I've never really been a fan of Gallo's, though I recognize his offensive talents. Gay is just a more versatile talent who is capable of making teams better. His shot selection is questionable but he was a team player in college. I feel his experience in Memphis with O.J. Mayo pushed him to be more selfish. I blame the Grizzlies mishandling of that situation and Mayo for this.

Obviously, he's no longer with them, so why continue with bad habits? Even still, Gay averaged more points per game than Gallinari and even shot better from the floor last season. He also put up better rebounding, assist, steal, and block numbers. However, he did turnover the ball more, but Gay is only 2 years older than Gallinari is the better athlete and all-around talent. Overall, the both put up similar numbers across the board.

Now things will be dependent on their respective contract expectations, but with all things being equal, I have more faith in Rudy Gay than I do Danilo Gallinari.

Ranma · Post #373 » by **Ranma** » Mon Jul 3, 2017 8:28 am

Neddy wrote:man i sure hope we trade Jamal for danilo

The cool thing about Crawford's contract is that even if we can't include him in a sign-and-trade for Gallinari, he's basically an expiring contract with only $3 million guaranteed for 2018-19, which we can include cash to cover for another team to take him. He should be an attractive trade asset by the trade deadline with more and more teams putting themselves over the cap or we can hold onto him and trade him next summer to clear cap space off the books.

Quake Griffin · Post #374 » by **Quake Griffin** » Mon Jul 3, 2017 8:36 am

Ranma wrote:Personally, I favor Gay more than I do Gallinari. I've never really been a fan of Gallo's, though I recognize his offensive talents. Gay is just a more versatile talent who is capable of making teams better. His shot selection is questionable but he was a team player in college. I feel his experience in Memphis with O.J. Mayo pushed him to be more selfish. I blame the Grizzlies mishandling of that situation and Mayo for this.

Obviously, he's no longer with them, so why continue with bad habits? Even still, Gay averaged more points per game than Gallinari and even shot better from the floor last season. He also put up better rebounding, assist, steal, and block numbers. However, he did turnover the ball more, but Gay is only 2 years older than Gallinari is the better athlete and all-around talent. Overall, the both put up similar numbers across the board.

Now things will be dependent on their respective contract expectations, but with all things being equal, I have more faith in Rudy Gay than I do Danilo Gallinari.

He's going into his age 31 season and coming off an achilles tear in January. Not only are we not sure if he's going to be ready to start the year, we're not sure he'll ever be the same again.

He has Gallo beat on FG%. eFG% and TS% go to Gallo though and Gallo is the better 3 point shooter which means darn near everything since all of their other numbers are so close.

Mr. 5 for 173 needs floor spacers, not iso 2P FGA scorers that have never hit over 100 threes in a season.

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Ranma · Post #375 » by **Ranma** » Mon Jul 3, 2017 8:56 am

Quake Griffin wrote:He's going into his age 31 season and coming off an achilles tear in January. Not only are we not sure if he's going to be ready to start the year, we're not sure he'll ever be the same again.

He has Gallo beat on FG%. eFG% and TS% go to Gallo though and Gallo is the better 3 point shooter which means darn near everything since all of their other numbers are so close.

Mr. 5 for 173 needs floor spacers, not iso 2P FGA scorers that have never hit over 100 threes in a season.

While Gallinari is the better and more prolific 3-point shooter, he was only slightly better from beyond the arc percentage-wise. Gallo shot 38.9% for 3-point percentage while Gay shot 37.2%. Yes, Gallinari took about 2 more 3-point shots per game than Gay did last season, but I still prefer Rudy's all-around ability over Danilo's offensive instincts.

Even with the Achilles injury, I'm confident that Gay will be the more athletic and physical player over the next few years. Also, they both have August birthdays so Gallo will be 29 when the season starts, so the 2-year age gap is still fairly negligible.

I know Doc prefers Gallinari's perimeter game and finesse skills, but I think Gay will do more for us if they can be on the same page. My biggest concern is whether we can get Gay back to being the team player he was as a younger player.

I'll concede that Gallinari is likely the better scheme fit given that Doc is the coach, but I just like Gay's overall package of physical talent and versatile abilities. I prefer the player with more defensive capabilities and flexibility. To be honest, I'm less concerned about competing so his injury-risk does not trouble me as long as we don't sign either one to anything beyond 3 seasons. Also,
Gallinari himself has a tendency to miss a significant amount of games due to injury with regularity.

UKClipperfan · Post #376 » by **UKClipperfan** » Mon Jul 3, 2017 9:33 am

Happy with Either! Definitely prefer Gallo over Gay tho.

Hoping Austin is part of the S&T.

apet8945 · Post #377 » by **apet8945** » Mon Jul 3, 2017 5:09 pm

Would it be feasible to get both? Gay can play the 2 can't he?

Neddy · Post #378 » by **Neddy** » Mon Jul 3, 2017 5:36 pm

I am not sure where we are with this team right now, not sure which direction we are trying to go with. on one end, it looked for a short while we were trying to aggregate as much assets as possible, which is the right thing to do if you want to rebuild. but on the other end, hearing about Doc trying to wheel and deal for 30-ish players in Danilo and Gay seems we are still in it to win right now. if CP-Blake-Dj-JJ couldn't do it, I doubt Blake-DJ-Gay/Danilo-Patrick Bevely is going to get it done. in fact we are gonna have problems keeping up with speed of the game against small ball teams.

I was hoping to see everyone gets traded out, grab as many picks and draft rights to young foreign players and let the rebuild take 3-4 years to have the Warriors age out themselves. but now with all this going on, I am fearful that the precious picks we still hold and the pick we got from Houston, could all be traded out for veterans by the trade deadline... as Doc is desperately trying to win it now, before DJ is a FA, and by the end of 2017-2018 season that we have no assets, no draft picks, and aging and already declining Griffin and DJ on Max contracts, leaving us in the purgatory of playing for the 8th seed every year with no lottery picks to help from within, and no cap rooms to find help from the outside.

wassuphomeboy · Post #379 » by **wassuphomeboy** » Mon Jul 3, 2017 10:23 pm

More pennies on the dollar

If we want to go 36-46 the rest of the decade by all means sign Gallo to a 5 year 100 million deal

This is what I meant when I said we shouldn't assume rebuilds will necessarily work out 100%

Ranma · Post #380 » by **Ranma** » Mon Jul 3, 2017 10:51 pm

wassuphomeboy wrote:More pennies on the dollar

If we want to go 36-46 the rest of the decade by all means sign Gallo to a 5 year 100 million deal

This is what I meant when I said we shouldn't assume rebuilds will necessarily work out 100%

This is not a rebuild but more of a retool and something we and the media actually argued against as it is misguided. Like you said, committing long-term money to try to compete with a roster that was worse than what we had before doesn't make sense. We'd actually be wasting time and losing flexibility by not focusing on developing young talent and occupying cap space when we could actually make moves later down the line.

At the same time, I can see us trying to retool around Griffin to show that we can be competitive moving forward while rebuilding around him to accelerate the cycle. We'd sacrifice draft position in the meantime, which isn't necessarily a bad thing but it makes it that much harder to maintain balance.

I actually don't agree with giving Griffin the max contract, but I'm not really upset about it either. An argument could be made,
that we'd be better off if he did suffer a minimal short-term injury that impacts our regular season record but not hurt his trade value terribly.

I agree with you that committing to Gallinari for hypothetically 5 years for $100 million total is not what I would recommend at all,
but both he and Gay opted out of deals paying approximately $15 million for next season. They'll be looking to get at least that much and teams like Miami and Boston are likely to give it to them if and when they strike out on Hayward.