2017 Offseason Thread

wco81 · Post #41 » by **wco81** » Mon May 1, 2017 10:21 pm

Well if they're exercising their options this summer, they're looking to get paid.

But if they want to win, maybe hometown discounts would make a difference.

I'm probably the wrong person to assess what superstars are worth. I'm not sure the deal Curry will get (when he'll be 34 or 35 at the end of the deal) will be worth it, unless you consider a lot of it back payment for being underpaid the past 4 years.

nickhx2 · Post #42 » by **nickhx2** » Mon May 1, 2017 10:46 pm

so like, if you're the knicks and you want to do the carmelo trade, don't you take this past year's offer that includes austin rivers/jamal crawford and not anything having to do with jj redick?

like why in the world would that team want redick when he's older and on the decline vs a guy like austin rivers?

Post #43 » by **og15** » Mon May 1, 2017 11:08 pm

nickhx2 wrote:so like, if you're the knicks and you want to do the carmelo trade, don't you take this past year's offer that includes austin rivers/jamal crawford and not anything having to do with jj redick?

like why in the world would that team want redick when he's older and on the decline vs a guy like austin rivers?

No, they want Rivers/Redick instead of Rivers/ Crawford

wco81 wrote:Well if they're exercising their options this summer, they're looking to get paid.

But if they want to win, maybe hometown discounts would make a difference.

I'm probably the wrong person to assess what superstars are worth. I'm not sure the deal Curry will get (when he'll be 34 or 35 at the end of the deal) will be worth it, unless you consider a lot of it back payment for being underpaid the past 4 years.

Just go look at history and look at similar players. Curry is getting the max, for him the super max

nickhx2 · Post #44 » by **nickhx2** » Mon May 1, 2017 11:14 pm

yeah i mean that's the best choice for them for sure, but i was thinking about when they were asking for austin/crawford vs jj/crawford

Akklaim1 · Post #45 » by **Akklaim1** » Mon May 1, 2017 11:46 pm

What are the chances Curry leaves the Warriors if they don't win it all this year? I just want him off that team so bad.

wco81 · Post #46 » by **wco81** » Tue May 2, 2017 12:10 am

Well he loves his home town in North Carolina. Raves about Myrtle Beach.

Maybe the Hornets make a run at him, even though they have Kemba.

donemilio21 · Post #47 » by **donemilio21** » Tue May 2, 2017 12:42 am

Do we have to offer the max contracts to CP3 and Blake?

I'd rather have them stay than walk away for nothing, since we don't even gain cap space to replace them via free agency. So what if we offered them something below maximum? offer exact same as the highest offer they could get elsewhere, maybe a dollar more.
neither of them could sign with a contending team realistically. If they leave they will end up in a team worse than Clippers. so why offer more?
Give them 4 year $130 million each or around that.

Wammy Giveaway · Post #48 » by **Wammy Giveaway** » Tue May 2, 2017 3:05 am

There are technically two ways to keep Blake Griffin and Chris Paul around.

1. Sign to max deals. This caps the Clippers out. No money left to get free agents, they're stuck with veteran minimums.

2. Opt in. Paul and Griffin have early termination options. Paul's opting out to get the max. Griffin, due to being injured this year and the last, will be ineligible for a pay raise, so he may choose to opt in to get another shot at the CP3-max deal next season.

But I think there's a third way. It's never gonna be discussed in length because it is silly, but we have to take a look at this:

3. Renounce and re-sign. Paul and Griffin not only opt out, they agree to renounce their bird rights. This is probably the only way to clear cap space. Both players take a pay cut in exchange for bringing one of Paul George ($18.3 mil) or Carmelo Anthony ($24.5 mil). If the Clippers still can't lure a superstar to make a Fantastic 4 (or Furious 5), the last resort would be a 1+1 deal that LeBron James and Kevin Durant did in their free agency situations. This makes it so that Paul, Griffin, and Jordan can all depart at the same time - the greatest worst case scenario that might challenge Doc Rivers to either do right or do what he does the best, should Steve Ballmer agree to give the coach/GM/father one last chance.

I like to know all these scenarios. What are the pros and cons to a max deal signing, opting in, or a renounce and re-sign method? For this scenario, assume Doc's position as GM is relinquished. Let's avoid a GM name in this exercise because they'll trigger automatic notions (ex. David Griffin means reloading, Sam Hinkie means tanking) and focus on what the GM should do.

Quake Griffin · Post #49 » by **Quake Griffin** » Tue May 2, 2017 3:35 am

Is there any way back into this draft?

Buying a pick that doesn't beat women?

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Method28 · Post #50 » by **Method28** » Tue May 2, 2017 3:41 am

Quake Griffin wrote:Is there any way back into this draft?

Buying a pick that doesn't beat women?

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Huh? Lol

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Quake Griffin · Post #51 » by **Quake Griffin** » Tue May 2, 2017 4:11 am

We purchased a pick in 2015.

The guy got in trouble for hitting women.

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Method28 · Post #52 » by **Method28** » Tue May 2, 2017 4:14 am

Quake Griffin wrote:We purchased a pick in 2015.

The guy got in trouble for hitting women.

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Oh ok i was like i think you meant to post in thr nfl forum, those guys hit women

Lets buy Josh Jackson!

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Method28 · Post #53 » by **Method28** » Tue May 2, 2017 4:36 am

Does JJ have any reason at all to sign & trade with us? Any additional money we can offer or an extra year that others cant? Wondering if we can ship JJ and Austin to NY for Melo and keep our big 3 intact as well

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Don Tommy · Post #54 » by **Don Tommy** » Tue May 2, 2017 4:46 am

Quake Griffin wrote:We purchased a pick in 2015.

The guy got in trouble for hitting women.

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I thought that was dropped and he was clear of the mess? Just because a woman says something happened doesn't always mean it does... an athlete dumps a woman and suddenly he was beating her? I don't remember the specifics on this one other than no charges were filed... which could have meant he bought her off!

Don Tommy · Post #55 » by **Don Tommy** » Tue May 2, 2017 5:13 am

Method28 wrote:
TucsonClip wrote:
Quake Griffin wrote:OG can help me with this.
Is there ANY possibility that if one or both of them takes less, we'd have room to sign another player?

No, not happening.

I'm gonna guess and say CP3 is going to be getting a NTC

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I really don't think so. NTCs aren't as popular in the NBA like they are in the MLB. I think only Kobe, Dirk, and Duncan had one... no there was one more and I don't remember who it was. Maybe LeBron but I don't think so

mattd13 · Post #56 » by **mattd13** » Wed May 3, 2017 12:55 pm

does anyone really think doc is going to trade his own son. he has been getting him ready for the sg spot ever since he came to the clips. after giving him and jamal those awful contracts he is basically stuck with them. you could see it against Utah. jj was a non factor and I think I know why. he is done in clipper land. doc has handicapped this teams chance of building a real contender. I can see giving blake a long term contract but to give cp3 a 5 year deal for max money at his age and injury history is a tough call. he is a great player but I just think that is a big risk. it it were up to me I would fire doc and start over.

Post #57 » by **QRich3** » Wed May 3, 2017 2:13 pm

Quake Griffin wrote:Is there any way back into this draft?

Buying a pick that doesn't beat women?

I'd love it if we could buy a high 2nd rounder and get Hamidou Diallo, he looks like the kind of long defensive guard that you can use in any team. Of course, he'll probably go higher than what's gonna be available to buy, and our FO is not bright like that, but the Warriors bought the 38th pick last year for $2.4M, and Diallo is currently projected at 33rd on draftexpress. He'd probably take like half a decade to be playable, but that's the kind of low risk/high reward move we should be doing at the moment.

Quake Griffin · Post #58 » by **Quake Griffin** » Wed May 3, 2017 4:46 pm

QRich3 wrote:
Quake Griffin wrote:Is there any way back into this draft?

Buying a pick that doesn't beat women?

I'd love it if we could buy a high 2nd rounder and get Hamidou Diallo, he looks like the kind of long defensive guard that you can use in any team. Of course, he'll probably go higher than what's gonna be available to buy, and our FO is not bright like that, but the Warriors bought the 38th pick last year for $2.4M, and Diallo is currently projected at 33rd on draftexpress. He'd probably take like half a decade to be playable, but that's the kind of low risk/high reward move we should be doing at the moment.

But if we sign Chris, why go after a guy who is only playable after 5 years?

What about DJ Wilson in the 2nd? I've watched him int he B1G over this season. Nice build. Looks like he will commit to the defensive end (I can never tell if a player will or will not defend on the NBA level). Can hit the trey ball and my guess is will get better at it if pick and pop is his role.

Devin Robinson at Florida? I'm more in love with this guys physical stature plus the fact that he can shoot. 6'8". 6'11" arms. Looks reasonably strong. Should be able to guard on the wing and some small 4s.

Honestly, if all the Warriors paid was 2.4m for the #38 pick last year, I honestly want Ballmer to buy 2 seconds and draft both these guys.

wco81 · Post #59 » by **wco81** » Wed May 3, 2017 5:08 pm

donemilio21 wrote:Do we have to offer the max contracts to CP3 and Blake?

I'd rather have them stay than walk away for nothing, since we don't even gain cap space to replace them via free agency. So what if we offered them below minimum? offer exact same as the highest offer they could get elsewhere.
neither of them could sign with a contending team realistically. If they leave they will end up in a team worse than Clippers. so why offer more?
Give them 4 year $130 million each.

That would be a pretty drastic discount.

Warriors are looking at a situation where if they could get KD to take $3-4 million a year less, it would be the difference between re-signing key vets like Igudala and Livingston or letting them go elsewhere.

If CP3 and Blake's deals started at a few million less and it would help them sign some role players, the team should be making that case to them.

Or maybe retaining someone like Luc? He's not the ideal 3 and D wing but he seems to hit enough of his wide-open shots and defended some good wing players well.

Clemenza · Post #60 » by **Clemenza** » Wed May 3, 2017 6:54 pm

wco81 wrote:What's the max that another team could offer CP3? $35 million a year for 5 years?

Not too many teams which can offer him that much or are willing to. Maybe Brooklyn, but he wouldn't go to Brooklyn.

He'd help teams in need of PGs like Utah, Spurs or Milwaukee. Or Chicago.

Of those teams, only Milwaukee may be able to offer him big money because the Greek Freek isn't getting big money yet?

But I'd question whether they'd offer him that much, because they will have to pay Giannis and Jabari Parker in a year or two.

If CP3 was 28, teams would be lining up with max deals. But when he's almost 32? Hard to imagine too many 4-year offers at $30 million per year or more.

Can the Clippers risk lowballing him, like say 5 years at $32 million per? You don't hear too much about incentives in NBA contracts, since they give out guaranteed 9-figure deals left and right. But how about some base and then extra money for those years they get to the second round, the WCF, the Finals?

Again, if tanking were an option -- i.e. Clippers had their picks the next few years -- then they wouldn't be kind of stuck with no other choice but to give out $400 million in contracts.

Sign and trade for these players seem unlikely, unless they're a huge draw to sell tickets and jerseys for the new team, in addition to whatever they'd bring on court.

I think CP3 would stunt Giannis' growth. Part of what makes the Greek Freak a freak is that he's a point-forward. With Cp3 having the ball dribbling most of the time Giannis will turn into Blake on some pick n roll sh*t.

-And why hasn't Doc been let go yet :banghead: