esqtvd wrote:Clemenza wrote:esqtvd wrote:
What YOU think the Clippers should have done with
Boston
Diabate
Jordan
Kobe
KPJ
Bamba
Kai
and let's throw in
Bones
Dunn
DJJ
and I suppose even
Mann
Coffey
Can't keep 'em all. Set the goalposts. Own it.
I have no idea what two-way Trentyn Flowers is about, except he's 6'9" and only 19, so that's enough for me. And I'm not trying to trap you: Cam Christie is on a new CBA thing where his $$ doesn't count against the sal cap or apron, etc. so you're not on the hook for that one, but he does take up a slot on the 15-man roster. So does PJ Tucker, whom the Clippers are holding onto in the bizarre hope they can dump him and his expiring for something [anything!] of value.
So have at it. Let's get specific. Own it.
I already said if they resigned BBJ and Diabate then they probably don't sign KPJ, Bamba, or Dunn. Maybe they don't pick up Flowers who went undrafted but got an instant two-way spot. They weren't moving Bones, Kobe is still on the roster. Maybe they don't bring Kai back, who knows. I don't know what the f*ck you want from me with this hypothetical. This sh*t can go down a million different rabbit holes, paths, and directions. KPJ is from Seattle and played with Ballmer's kid when they were little. Maybe he was the guy to pull that trigger and say that BBJ was out and KPJ is in. I'll give my opinion on who would've stayed and who should've been let go, but its just water under the bridge at this point. With L. Frank and Lue at the helm I don't know what's what anymore. We know nothing, Kawhi's status.. who knows? Its all smoke and mirrors and double speak. You want to hang your hat on this, while we just want to see these dudes ball out on their new teams. I'm just a fan of the team, not part of the front office. I don't know what the f*ck you're getting at with all of this?
C'mon bruh, I'm certainly not going to let myself be accused of dishonesty, of moving the goalposts. That's offensive, ok? I think I've been quite polite and logical about the whole thing. I'm giving you and everyone here the chance to set the goalposts and bring the receipts.
Debates have a topic. This is ours:IF Boston or Diabate becomes a playoff rotation starter somewhere OR even a starter on a crap team, they will be the FIRST this century.
I think I've made my case. With the follow-up question, "Who would you have got rid of instead?" I even gave you a factual escape hatch, that Cam Christie and PJ Tucker are on the 15-man roster for CBA/financial reasons. We just couldn't keep everybody. Floor's yours.
I'm done that who stays, who goes.You're trying to take this in a different direction that's unnecessary. The debate or the issue is that we liked BBJ and Diabate, you didn't care for them and their numbers, and that's fine. But now they've "went against the grain" and are showing much improvement on new teams and you have a problem with that. "IF Boston or Diabate becomes a playoff rotation starter somewhere OR even a starter on a crap team, they will be the FIRST this century." -Now look at the wording you're using. "If Boston or Diabate become a playoff rotation starter"??? When did we make this pact? That right there is textbook goalpost moving. "First of this century?" -isn't SGA a starter, playoff starter, and a MVP candidate? Reggie Bullock, Sean Livingston, Al Farque Aminu, Eric Gordan have all been starters and playoff starters.
But screw the goal post thing. You're too angry on this subject. Your plus/minus and feeling on them should've meant that BBJ and Diabate were supposed to fall off and be playing in the Philippines or Puerto Rico by now. But they foiled your plans, your numbers, and narrative by getting another opportunity and improving their play on new teams. Now you're doubling down and still moving the narrative, waiting for a bad game, gaslighting us to try to get us to question why would we like a two-player on Charlotte and a guy that even the Spurs didn't want in BBJ. Whether the teams they play on suck or not is baseless. In the real world we call that "hater sh*t" or simply being a hater.
You love Trez, I didn't care for him in the end and most of that was due to Doc and how he played him in the bubble. But I'm not going to go on a campaign trail to gaslight people on how you shouldn't like Trez or question yourself for liking a player like, "how can you like a NBA flameout who now plays in Australia?" I don't do that sort of thing. I'm trying to keep this friendly and civil my damn self, but you have a serious issue with us still pulling for BBJ and Diabate. Stop it!
And who's angry? Not me bro. Getting all personal again.
