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Post#61 » by NickP » Tue Dec 15, 2020 7:07 pm

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NickP wrote:If PG was out in the open market as a FA then there would be plenty of teams with cap space in line to sign him for the Max deal. Clippers included. Hayward signed a near Max deal. There are guys signing Max deals that have no business signing Max deals. In a so called bad year PG averaged close to 22 ppg. If he returns to his true form then the gamble pays off.



Yes, Nick, you're certainly correct that SOME teams would have scooped PG up at that price. Gordon Hayward at the butt end of the NBA universe in Charlotte is the perfect example. And both are better than Tobias Harris, who got the near-max as the Sixers' 3rd wheel.

What we're saying here is that a deep-pockets contender [and the Clippers have the deepest] would not have bought him at market price, at least not as their foundational FA. If Kawhi weren't already here and RESPONSIBLE for the Clippers trading away the farm to acquire PG in the first place, no, I don't think they make this deal.

As I wrote and so did Andrew Greif and every other dispassionate observer, there is no confidence Kawhi will re-sign with the Clips, only hope.

True, but how long do these Clippers have? George’s extension locks him in through at least the 2023-2024 season, but Leonard —the larger of the two pillars — can opt out at the end of this season. The two-time Finals MVP already forced his way out of San Antonio, leaving a $221-million supermax deal behind, then said goodbye to the championship confetti and $190-million max deal in Toronto a year later. Predicting Leonard’s next move is tricky to say the least. If money or a chance to repeat isn’t enough to keep him, what will?



If money or a chance to repeat isn’t enough to keep him, what will?

Well, I think the Clippers are hoping that PG will. They don't have much else beyond Serge, since Phoenix is just as close to Kawhi's mansion in San Diego by air/car as Staples is.

And Serge's contract next year is a PLAYER option. They could both be with the Suns this time next year. Just sayin', bro. I'm not here to fight with you.

I don't see Kawhi leaving at all. The only threat to me was the Lakers but they threw all their dough at Bron & AD and rightfully so. Both him and PG are home literally and figuratively and right where they want to be in life. He's finally in LA, the team is his, the front office caters to him, his oddball personality & load management, for better or worse, is already accepted within the team's structure, and if we win there's big money to be made in LA. Go to Phoenix and he's gotta deal with the oddball owner Sarver, its Booker's team, CP3 is second in the pecking order, new teammates, new coach, new offense, its not Southern California anymore which he fought and manipulated to get to, etc. Unless we somehow have an even worse meltdown than last season's bubble and all the players want to strangle each other Kawhi's is not going anywhere. Its easier said than done.. Plus he needs to ball out this season, take some leadership up with the team and not to mention we gotta see how his leg is holding up in a year or so. Ibaka is old. Why would the Suns want him? Ballmer wants to win first and foremost. If we don't have a nice playoff run the coddling of players and massaging egos will be over with.

Yep. You have to use the process of elimination. Ask yourself where Kawhi would go. He's not a ring chaser because he has the hardware. He's not going to be 3rd fiddle on LeBron's team. He loves to be in his hometown. I just don't see a viable scenario where he leaves this team.
There's a lot to prove this year. I think PG and Kawhi are up to the challenge.
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Re: Paul George Signs 4 Year $190 Mil Extension 

Post#62 » by madmaxmedia » Tue Dec 15, 2020 7:28 pm

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I think people get too stuck on the "max contract" label. Basically all the top 20-25 players in the league are going to get max contracts. This is more a commentary on the best of the best players being underpaid than anything else. Paul George is easily in the top 20 players in the NBA. I always find it funny that people get surprised at top 20-ish players getting the max contract that they are eligible for as if there is some precedent for it not to happen.

EDIT: Meant to say underpaid not overpaid


Right- every team has room to sign at least 1 max contract (most structure their payroll to have room for two), the idea you have to be some sort of AAA superstar to earn a max contract makes no economic sense. There are not enough transcendant superstars to go around, its a simple matter of supply and demand. The best value in the NBA is a AAA superstar, the 2nd best value is a great young player on a rookie contract (which are hard to come by as well.) We are doing pretty good with our payroll.

Paul George is a max contract player, Kawhi is worth more than a max contract (assuming in reasonably good health.) If Kawhi re-signs with us, I would ride that combo until the end.



You guys have hit on perhaps THE key part of the equation that is seldom mentioned--yes, there is great value in young players outplaying their rookie contracts but perhaps the greatest value is that handful of megastars who are outplaying even a max contract--LeBron, Steph, Giannis and probably Kawhi and a few others. Without one, a championship is unlikely, almost impossible.

I have to think the Clippers signed PG with almost the sole purpose of getting Kawhi to stay. Forget the massive amount we spent to acquire PG, which is a sunk cost.

If he were just a standard Free Agent on the open market without Kawhi being a factor, do you think the Clippers would have signed him to this contract? Does anybody out there think so?


Right- the megastar players deliver such huge ROI that having at least 1 is almost a prerequisite to winning a title. Basketball is a strong-link sport in which success is most dependent on your best players, rather than weak-link sports where depth and consistency is more important. The only other comparable scenario in American pro sports would be the importance of having a great quarterback in the NFL.

Obviously the Paul George trade was effectively a 2-for-1 to get both George and Kawhi, without Kawhi we don't come close to giving up so much for Paul George. But I think George is in the category of players good enough to be solid value max players, which are themselves in short supply in the league. So I do think the Clippers would sign George to the same contract regardless of Kawhi, IF it didn't prevent us from going after another FA or trade to bring in that truly 'foundational' player.
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Re: Paul George Signs 4 Year $190 Mil Extension 

Post#63 » by MartinToVaught » Tue Dec 15, 2020 7:41 pm

esqtvd wrote:I have to think the Clippers signed PG with almost the sole purpose of getting Kawhi to stay.

This makes no sense unless you think PG had no qualms with signing long-term without any assurances of Kawhi staying. This runs counter to the actions/mindset of nearly every star in the league in this era, so I don't think it's very likely.
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Re: Paul George Signs 4 Year $190 Mil Extension 

Post#64 » by Roscoe Sheed » Tue Dec 15, 2020 8:21 pm

could the Suns even afford Kawhi? Don't they already have 2 guys on supermax contracts in Booker and CP3?
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Re: Paul George Signs 4 Year $190 Mil Extension 

Post#65 » by esqtvd » Tue Dec 15, 2020 8:41 pm

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Right- every team has room to sign at least 1 max contract (most structure their payroll to have room for two), the idea you have to be some sort of AAA superstar to earn a max contract makes no economic sense. There are not enough transcendant superstars to go around, its a simple matter of supply and demand. The best value in the NBA is a AAA superstar, the 2nd best value is a great young player on a rookie contract (which are hard to come by as well.) We are doing pretty good with our payroll.

Paul George is a max contract player, Kawhi is worth more than a max contract (assuming in reasonably good health.) If Kawhi re-signs with us, I would ride that combo until the end.



You guys have hit on perhaps THE key part of the equation that is seldom mentioned--yes, there is great value in young players outplaying their rookie contracts but perhaps the greatest value is that handful of megastars who are outplaying even a max contract--LeBron, Steph, Giannis and probably Kawhi and a few others. Without one, a championship is unlikely, almost impossible.

I have to think the Clippers signed PG with almost the sole purpose of getting Kawhi to stay. Forget the massive amount we spent to acquire PG, which is a sunk cost.

If he were just a standard Free Agent on the open market without Kawhi being a factor, do you think the Clippers would have signed him to this contract? Does anybody out there think so?


Right- the megastar players deliver such huge ROI that having at least 1 is almost a prerequisite to winning a title. Basketball is a strong-link sport in which success is most dependent on your best players, rather than weak-link sports where depth and consistency is more important. The only other comparable scenario in American pro sports would be the importance of having a great quarterback in the NFL.

Obviously the Paul George trade was effectively a 2-for-1 to get both George and Kawhi, without Kawhi we don't come close to giving up so much for Paul George. But I think George is in the category of players good enough to be solid value max players, which are themselves in short supply in the league. So I do think the Clippers would sign George to the same contract regardless of Kawhi, IF it didn't prevent us from going after another FA or trade to bring in that truly 'foundational' player.



I can't agree after last year's playoffs. I don't think PG is respected enough around the league either on or off the court where if he were the foundational FA, an even better FA would come join him. Sorry.


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A lot of people laughing at this deal--at least for now. Hopefully by this time next year they won't be...which almost certainly means Kawhi re-signed. :wink:
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Re: Paul George Signs 4 Year $190 Mil Extension 

Post#66 » by NickP » Tue Dec 15, 2020 8:56 pm

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You guys have hit on perhaps THE key part of the equation that is seldom mentioned--yes, there is great value in young players outplaying their rookie contracts but perhaps the greatest value is that handful of megastars who are outplaying even a max contract--LeBron, Steph, Giannis and probably Kawhi and a few others. Without one, a championship is unlikely, almost impossible.

I have to think the Clippers signed PG with almost the sole purpose of getting Kawhi to stay. Forget the massive amount we spent to acquire PG, which is a sunk cost.

If he were just a standard Free Agent on the open market without Kawhi being a factor, do you think the Clippers would have signed him to this contract? Does anybody out there think so?


Right- the megastar players deliver such huge ROI that having at least 1 is almost a prerequisite to winning a title. Basketball is a strong-link sport in which success is most dependent on your best players, rather than weak-link sports where depth and consistency is more important. The only other comparable scenario in American pro sports would be the importance of having a great quarterback in the NFL.

Obviously the Paul George trade was effectively a 2-for-1 to get both George and Kawhi, without Kawhi we don't come close to giving up so much for Paul George. But I think George is in the category of players good enough to be solid value max players, which are themselves in short supply in the league. So I do think the Clippers would sign George to the same contract regardless of Kawhi, IF it didn't prevent us from going after another FA or trade to bring in that truly 'foundational' player.



I can't agree after last year's playoffs. I don't think PG is respected enough around the league either on or off the court where if he were the foundational FA, an even better FA would come join him. Sorry.


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A lot of people laughing at this deal--at least for now. Hopefully by this time next year they won't be...which almost certainly means Kawhi re-signed. :wink:


And what exactly are these idiots laughing at? PG averaged 20 ppg in the playoffs. He had games where he scored 26, 32 and 37 points in the playoffs.
You seem to somehow get off on the fact that there are these idiots that would look at an opportunity to put the Clippers down no matter what. We wasted his good games no thanks to Doc and his undying love for trez.
Sure you can laugh all you want at some of his quotes and his choice of words. I didn't see you putting such expectations on your boy Doc over the last 8 years? I didn't hear you say that if this year Doc doesn't move beyond the 2nd round then I'm done with Doc?
PG scored 26 and 37 points in the Denver series. Both wasted by Doc. Guys that score these many points in the playoffs don't come by the dozen.
And what's wrong with those PG quotes that you posted? How many times have I heard cp3 say those same exact words?
PG has lost respect on and off the court? LMFAO.
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Re: Paul George Signs 4 Year $190 Mil Extension 

Post#67 » by TucsonClip » Tue Dec 15, 2020 9:01 pm

The same people laughing about the PG deal are the ones who would be spit roasting the entire organization if we low balled PG on the extension offer and then he walked next summer, even if we resigned Kawhi.

Fact of the matter is, PG wasnt good enough when it mattered in portions of the playoffs last year. He had a pretty darn good regular season though, and was coming off the best year of his career. To simply say his market value is not at the max level next summer, or that teams wouldnt be willing to fight for him at the max just doesnt add up to me. It doesnt take a team with cap space to forge a bond with a free agent star player, because they can coax a sign and trade to where he wants to go.

Hes a star based on his skill level and two way attributes, plus his size and length. Even as his athleticism fades his skill level will continue to prop him up throughout the life of this contract. Not to mention, if he hit free agency, we are looking at the potential of him demanding a five year deal, especially if he has a good year.
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Re: Paul George Signs 4 Year $190 Mil Extension 

Post#68 » by esqtvd » Tue Dec 15, 2020 9:03 pm

NickP wrote:
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Right- the megastar players deliver such huge ROI that having at least 1 is almost a prerequisite to winning a title. Basketball is a strong-link sport in which success is most dependent on your best players, rather than weak-link sports where depth and consistency is more important. The only other comparable scenario in American pro sports would be the importance of having a great quarterback in the NFL.

Obviously the Paul George trade was effectively a 2-for-1 to get both George and Kawhi, without Kawhi we don't come close to giving up so much for Paul George. But I think George is in the category of players good enough to be solid value max players, which are themselves in short supply in the league. So I do think the Clippers would sign George to the same contract regardless of Kawhi, IF it didn't prevent us from going after another FA or trade to bring in that truly 'foundational' player.



I can't agree after last year's playoffs. I don't think PG is respected enough around the league either on or off the court where if he were the foundational FA, an even better FA would come join him. Sorry.


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A lot of people laughing at this deal--at least for now. Hopefully by this time next year they won't be...which almost certainly means Kawhi re-signed. :wink:


And what exactly are these idiots laughing at? PG averaged 20 ppg in the playoffs. He had games where he scored 26, 32 and 37 points in the playoffs.
You seem to somehow get off on the fact that there are these idiots that would look at an opportunity to put the Clippers down no matter what. We wasted his good games no thanks to Doc and his undying love for trez.
Sure you can laugh all you want at some of his quotes and his choice of words. I didn't see you putting such expectations on your boy Doc over the last 8 years? I didn't hear you say that if this year Doc doesn't move beyond the 2nd round then I'm done with Doc?
PG scored 26 and 37 points in the Denver series. Both wasted by Doc. Guys that score these many points in the playoffs don't come by the dozen.



You gotta get out of my face and up my ass 5 minutes after I post anything, bro. I'm not even talking to you. We're all entitled to our opinions.

For the record, I agreed with Doc's firing because he either lost the team or never get control of it in the first place. And now that's he's been gone for TWO MONTHS, I'm sick of the talk of it. If he was the problem, then everything should be hunky-dory from now on.
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Re: Paul George Signs 4 Year $190 Mil Extension 

Post#69 » by og15 » Tue Dec 15, 2020 9:06 pm

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esqtvd wrote:I have to think the Clippers signed PG with almost the sole purpose of getting Kawhi to stay.

This makes no sense unless you think PG had no qualms with signing long-term without any assurances of Kawhi staying. This runs counter to the actions/mindset of nearly every star in the league in this era, so I don't think it's very likely.
The lesson that every team has learned or is learning is that bigger stars don't tend to want to join your team unless you have another star or the pieces to acquire another star.

The current salary cap is around $109 million. Minus Kawhi, the Clippers in the coming off-season will have around $89 million in salary.

Player option:
Ibaka $9.7M

Team option:
Kabengele $2.2M

Beverley would be an expiring with $14.3M. Let's say the cap stays the same, a 35% max salary would start at around $38M, supermax. The Clippers without adding empty spot roster charges would be $20 million under the cap. They could trade Beverley for cap space and of course if Ibaka declines his option, there's max cap space.

Now, is the FA crop outside of Kawhi enticing though? Not really, LeBron isn't going anywhere, Giannis re-signed.

What does open up is the option of getting a guy in 2022. Harden, Durant if the Kyrie fit doesn't work and he's still great, though age is a factor now. Bradley Beal while not the same level of star as others, still another option. Jimmy Butler could be an option.

So you basically sign short contracts to fill the roster and "tank" the 21-22 season, but you are in position to sign another star with the attraction of pairing with George.

The other option you have is the ability to use Paul George in a trade for a disgruntled star you consider better, and then pitch that star that you will look to get some future star FA, but that's a tougher option. The Clippers wouldn't be in the position to trade for a disgruntled star and pitch the pairing with George because there aren't trade assets available for that.

What not re-signing George does though is give you fewer options, and I'm not sure why anyone thinks fewer options is a better outcome.

George is still an asset, both as a "come play with the co-star guy", and as a trade piece.
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Post#70 » by esqtvd » Tue Dec 15, 2020 9:15 pm

TucsonClip wrote:The same people laughing about the PG deal are the ones who would be spit roasting the entire organization if we low balled PG on the extension offer and then he walked next summer, even if we resigned Kawhi.

Fact of the matter is, PG wasnt good enough when it mattered in portions of the playoffs last year. He had a pretty darn good regular season though, and was coming off the best year of his career. To simply say his market value is not at the max level next summer, or that teams wouldnt be willing to fight for him at the max just doesnt add up to me. It doesnt take a team with cap space to forge a bond with a free agent star player, because they can coax a sign and trade to where he wants to go.

Hes a star based on his skill level and two way attributes, plus his size and length. Even as his athleticism fades his skill level will continue to prop him up throughout the life of this contract. Not to mention, if he hit free agency, we are looking at the potential of him demanding a five year deal, especially if he has a good year.



I'm not predicting disaster on this, but it's naive to discount the possibility. I wish I felt better about PG the person. I will hope his impending marriage and long-term contract will turn things around. But if he walked next summer and the Clippers still kept Kawhi, I would not see it as a loss. I still submit that if no Kawhi, this deal doesn't happen until next summer [if at all].


https://www.latimes.com/sports/clippers/story/2020-12-10/column-paul-georges-new-extension-hinges-on-kawhi-leonard-staying-with-the-clippers
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Re: Paul George Signs 4 Year $190 Mil Extension 

Post#71 » by madmaxmedia » Tue Dec 15, 2020 9:31 pm

esqtvd wrote:
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You guys have hit on perhaps THE key part of the equation that is seldom mentioned--yes, there is great value in young players outplaying their rookie contracts but perhaps the greatest value is that handful of megastars who are outplaying even a max contract--LeBron, Steph, Giannis and probably Kawhi and a few others. Without one, a championship is unlikely, almost impossible.

I have to think the Clippers signed PG with almost the sole purpose of getting Kawhi to stay. Forget the massive amount we spent to acquire PG, which is a sunk cost.

If he were just a standard Free Agent on the open market without Kawhi being a factor, do you think the Clippers would have signed him to this contract? Does anybody out there think so?


Right- the megastar players deliver such huge ROI that having at least 1 is almost a prerequisite to winning a title. Basketball is a strong-link sport in which success is most dependent on your best players, rather than weak-link sports where depth and consistency is more important. The only other comparable scenario in American pro sports would be the importance of having a great quarterback in the NFL.

Obviously the Paul George trade was effectively a 2-for-1 to get both George and Kawhi, without Kawhi we don't come close to giving up so much for Paul George. But I think George is in the category of players good enough to be solid value max players, which are themselves in short supply in the league. So I do think the Clippers would sign George to the same contract regardless of Kawhi, IF it didn't prevent us from going after another FA or trade to bring in that truly 'foundational' player.



I can't agree after last year's playoffs. I don't think PG is respected enough around the league either on or off the court where if he were the foundational FA, an even better FA would come join him. Sorry.


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A lot of people laughing at this deal--at least for now. Hopefully by this time next year they won't be...which almost certainly means Kawhi re-signed. :wink:


Just to clarify- it's not that I think Paul George is such a draw to other free agents, it's just that IMO he's worth the money he's making so you sign him/keep him at this price (but I'm not trying to change your mind if you think otherwise.) It's not a surefire lock that he'll outplay his contract, but I think he has a good chance to rebound this upcoming season.

I think it's far worse to be in NYK purgatory where you have plenty of cap room (at the expense of a decent team), but no one wants to sign up anyway. That's when you really start reaching...
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Re: Paul George Signs 4 Year $190 Mil Extension 

Post#72 » by NickP » Tue Dec 15, 2020 10:14 pm

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I can't agree after last year's playoffs. I don't think PG is respected enough around the league either on or off the court where if he were the foundational FA, an even better FA would come join him. Sorry.


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A lot of people laughing at this deal--at least for now. Hopefully by this time next year they won't be...which almost certainly means Kawhi re-signed. :wink:


And what exactly are these idiots laughing at? PG averaged 20 ppg in the playoffs. He had games where he scored 26, 32 and 37 points in the playoffs.
You seem to somehow get off on the fact that there are these idiots that would look at an opportunity to put the Clippers down no matter what. We wasted his good games no thanks to Doc and his undying love for trez.
Sure you can laugh all you want at some of his quotes and his choice of words. I didn't see you putting such expectations on your boy Doc over the last 8 years? I didn't hear you say that if this year Doc doesn't move beyond the 2nd round then I'm done with Doc?
PG scored 26 and 37 points in the Denver series. Both wasted by Doc. Guys that score these many points in the playoffs don't come by the dozen.



You gotta get out of my face and up my ass 5 minutes after I post anything, bro. I'm not even talking to you. We're all entitled to our opinions.

For the record, I agreed with Doc's firing because he either lost the team or never get control of it in the first place. And now that's he's been gone for TWO MONTHS, I'm sick of the talk of it. If he was the problem, then everything should be hunky-dory from now on.

Lol. You quoted me a few posts above. Bro! I quoted you 15 minutes after you posted. Had no idea there was a wait protocol.
But I see you're getting mad when you say someone's crawling up your ass. Take it easy. This is a message board. You keep repeating yourself over and over again with the same rhetoric and how the Clippers and PG have become a laughing stock. You need to get over yourself.
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Re: Paul George Signs 4 Year $190 Mil Extension 

Post#73 » by esqtvd » Tue Dec 15, 2020 10:40 pm

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Right- the megastar players deliver such huge ROI that having at least 1 is almost a prerequisite to winning a title. Basketball is a strong-link sport in which success is most dependent on your best players, rather than weak-link sports where depth and consistency is more important. The only other comparable scenario in American pro sports would be the importance of having a great quarterback in the NFL.

Obviously the Paul George trade was effectively a 2-for-1 to get both George and Kawhi, without Kawhi we don't come close to giving up so much for Paul George. But I think George is in the category of players good enough to be solid value max players, which are themselves in short supply in the league. So I do think the Clippers would sign George to the same contract regardless of Kawhi, IF it didn't prevent us from going after another FA or trade to bring in that truly 'foundational' player.



I can't agree after last year's playoffs. I don't think PG is respected enough around the league either on or off the court where if he were the foundational FA, an even better FA would come join him. Sorry.


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A lot of people laughing at this deal--at least for now. Hopefully by this time next year they won't be...which almost certainly means Kawhi re-signed. :wink:


Just to clarify- it's not that I think Paul George is such a draw to other free agents, it's just that IMO he's worth the money he's making so you sign him/keep him at this price (but I'm not trying to change your mind if you think otherwise.) It's not a surefire lock that he'll outplay his contract, but I think he has a good chance to rebound this upcoming season.

I think it's far worse to be in NYK purgatory where you have plenty of cap room (at the expense of a decent team), but no one wants to sign up anyway. That's when you really start reaching...



I don't want to turn this into a PG-bash but some people are more than the sum of their numbers [say Jimmy Butler] and some are not.


https://www.latimes.com/sports/clippers/story/2020-12-10/column-paul-georges-new-extension-hinges-on-kawhi-leonard-staying-with-the-clippers


    Whatever Leonard has or hasn’t told them, George’s deal represents a gargantuan leap of faith, as there’s nothing the Clippers can do at this point to safeguard against the Leonard’s possible departure.

    George was entering the third year of a deal he originally signed with the Oklahoma City Thunder, which made him eligible for an extension. Leonard is starting the second year of his contract with the Clippers, which makes him ineligible.

    In other words, they couldn’t extract any guarantees from Leonard before extending George’s deal. But if they didn’t offer George a new deal, they were in danger of sending the wrong message to Leonard, who was the driving force behind his acquisition.


    ...

    There’s plenty of downside to George’s contract, as it only makes sense for the Clippers if they manage to re-sign Leonard. On his own, George isn’t a maximum-contract player.

    George is 30 with a history of major injuries.

    When Leonard and George were on the court together last season, the Clippers were 13 points per 100 possessions better than their opponents, according to the Elias Sports Bureau. When Leonard played without George, that figure was 11.4 points. The number dropped to 0.4 points when George played without Leonard.

    George has shot 25% or worse in nine postseason games, the third-most of any player in the shot-clock era.

    In a loss to the Denver Nuggets in Game 7 of the Western Conference semifinals, George committed five turnovers while making only four baskets. He was 0-for-6 shooting in the fourth quarter.


    Leonard has to be a part of the package. The Clippers essentially wagered $226 million they can convince him to be. They are betting on new coach Tyronn Lue. And they are betting on George, whom Frank called “a partner.”

    George was the key to the Clippers winning the free-agent sweepstakes for Leonard last year. He could also be the key to retaining him next year.



As for the Knicks, that seems to be a special case. Ballmer is not Dolan. :lol: The Clippers org was in great shape when Kawhi decided to come here in the first place--IIRC the first team to make the playoffs without a single player ever having made an All-Star team.
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Re: Paul George Signs 4 Year $190 Mil Extension 

Post#74 » by donemilio21 » Wed Dec 16, 2020 11:02 pm

coming off two shoulder surgeries in the offseaon, I think PG had a pretty stellar regular season. Per 36min he averaged 26.2 pts, 6.9 reb, 4.7 ast, 1.7 stl while shooting 41% from 3. Arguably the 2nd best season of his career, after the previous season where he finished 3rd in MVP voting. His horrible performance in 3 playoff games was enough to erase all that.
PG can easily put up 27-8-5 next year, but he will only silence critics, if he carries that into post-season.
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Re: Paul George Signs 4 Year $190 Mil Extension 

Post#75 » by esqtvd » Thu Dec 17, 2020 7:18 am

most encouraging clue from the sphinx so far
own it, Kawhi

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Re: Paul George Signs 4 Year $190 Mil Extension 

Post#76 » by MartinToVaught » Sun Dec 20, 2020 3:23 pm

PG's contract now looks like a bargain compared to what the Jazz just paid Rudy Gobert. $205 million for a traditional big man in today's game who has no offensive skills besides dunking, are they out of their minds?
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Re: Paul George Signs 4 Year $190 Mil Extension 

Post#77 » by esqtvd » Mon Dec 21, 2020 8:21 pm

uh huh

    Kawhi Leonard plans to test free agency in 2021, though he said he is "just focused on this season."

    Leonard has a player option for 21-22 with the Los Angeles Clippers worth $36 million.

    "If I stay healthy, the best decision is to decline the player option but it doesn't mean I'm staying or leaving."


https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/260922/Kawhi-Leonard-Plans-To-Become-Free-Agent-In-2021
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Re: Paul George Signs 4 Year $190 Mil Extension 

Post#78 » by NickP » Mon Dec 21, 2020 8:53 pm

esqtvd wrote:uh huh

    Kawhi Leonard plans to test free agency in 2021, though he said he is "just focused on this season."

    Leonard has a player option for 21-22 with the Los Angeles Clippers worth $36 million.

    "If I stay healthy, the best decision is to decline the player option but it doesn't mean I'm staying or leaving."


https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/260922/Kawhi-Leonard-Plans-To-Become-Free-Agent-In-2021

Uh huh what?
You seem to be taking joy in this? Just follow your boy Doc already man.
Kawhi is not going anywhere.
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Post#79 » by esqtvd » Mon Dec 21, 2020 8:57 pm

NickP wrote:
esqtvd wrote:uh huh

    Kawhi Leonard plans to test free agency in 2021, though he said he is "just focused on this season."

    Leonard has a player option for 21-22 with the Los Angeles Clippers worth $36 million.

    "If I stay healthy, the best decision is to decline the player option but it doesn't mean I'm staying or leaving."


https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/260922/Kawhi-Leonard-Plans-To-Become-Free-Agent-In-2021

Uh huh what?
You seem to be taking joy in this? Just follow your boy Doc already man.
Kawhi is not going anywhere.



not what he just said Shemp
and your heads my ass again lol


no joy in this but not feeling the warm & fuzzies either :roll:
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Re: Paul George Signs 4 Year $190 Mil Extension 

Post#80 » by NickP » Mon Dec 21, 2020 9:27 pm

esqtvd wrote:
NickP wrote:
esqtvd wrote:uh huh

    Kawhi Leonard plans to test free agency in 2021, though he said he is "just focused on this season."

    Leonard has a player option for 21-22 with the Los Angeles Clippers worth $36 million.

    "If I stay healthy, the best decision is to decline the player option but it doesn't mean I'm staying or leaving."


https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/260922/Kawhi-Leonard-Plans-To-Become-Free-Agent-In-2021

Uh huh what?
You seem to be taking joy in this? Just follow your boy Doc already man.
Kawhi is not going anywhere.



not what he just said Shemp
and your heads my ass again lol


no joy in this but not feeling the warm & fuzzies either :roll:

You're being a clown. Someone was right about you.

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