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Re: GAME 39: Clippers (24-14) vs Warriors (19-18)—Thurs 7PM PST on TNT 

Post#61 » by NickP » Fri Mar 12, 2021 6:16 pm

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RingColluder wrote:When are we making a trade.

This was like playing a G league team (with no Wiseman, till the 4th where he destroyed Zubac). The Pelicans are another bad team, but after Van Gundy called the loss to the Twolves, "embarrassing" maybe they'll show up against us.

Paul George continues to be an absolute nightmare and I am dreading him in the playoffs. The ultimate front runner.


We desperately need a PG. Paul George cannot be our PG on the 2nd team, he has bad handles and is a sloppy passer. A great shooter (sometimes) yes, but we should have really gotten a max guard to pair with Kawhi.

And it's not for lack of effort. I think everyone is playing together and buying into Ty Lue. We just dont' have the talent but at least defensively we show heart.
Huh? 20 mpg rookie Wiseman being out takes the Warriors from a .500 team to a G-League team? That's a wild take if I've ever heard one, lol

Lol. Exactly what I was thinking. Also the take about PG being a nightmare in the playoffs? Wow!
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Post#62 » by MartinToVaught » Fri Mar 12, 2021 6:31 pm

They're not wrong about Playoff P. Just go back and watch the Mavs series. It's impossible to trust this guy in any important game.

Meanwhile...

Read on Twitter


It's getting harder and harder to make the case that we wouldn't be a better team with SGA instead of Playoff P.
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Post#63 » by og15 » Fri Mar 12, 2021 7:05 pm

MartinToVaught wrote:They're not wrong about Playoff P. Just go back and watch the Mavs series. It's impossible to trust this guy in any important game.

Meanwhile...

Read on Twitter


It's getting harder and harder to make the case that we wouldn't be a better team with SGA instead of Playoff P.
Last playoffs was basically the worst of PG's career and the Mavs series was his worst. Statistically almost everything about last playoffs was an outlier for him when it came to percentage of bad games and consistency.

How are you making any case by citing SGA leading Thunder to a win against the Mavs without Luka or KP? Even if those two were there, your argument would be based on a single regular season game.

SGA averaged 16/5/4 last playoffs. After being tied 2-2, he averaged 11/3/5 and 3.7 turnovers over the last three games. I like SGA, not saying this to put him down, but saying this to figure out where this take comes from that there's some definitive proof that the Clippers would be better based on SGA’s play.
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Post#64 » by madmaxmedia » Fri Mar 12, 2021 7:16 pm

og15 wrote:
MartinToVaught wrote:They're not wrong about Playoff P. Just go back and watch the Mavs series. It's impossible to trust this guy in any important game.

Meanwhile...

Read on Twitter


It's getting harder and harder to make the case that we wouldn't be a better team with SGA instead of Playoff P.
Last playoffs was basically the worst of PG's career and the Mavs series was his worst. Statistically almost everything about last playoffs was an outlier for him when it came to percentage of bad games and consistency.

How are you making any case by citing SGA leading Thunder to a win against the Mavs without Luka or KP? Even if those two were there, your argument would be based on a single regular season game.

SGA averaged 16/5/4 last playoffs. After being tied 2-2, he averaged 11/3/5 and 3.7 turnovers over the last three games. I like SGA, not saying this to put him down, but saying this to figure out where this take comes from that there's some definitive proof that the Clippers would be better based on SGA’s play.


I guess you could make the argument that the Clippers could be better had they only signed Kawhi and not made the PG trade, and made other moves with the assets we moved for PG- but not a straight swap PG/SGA improvement. Hypothetically we might have been able to trade for Lowry and get another 1 or 2 pieces, that kind of thing. But we've already re-lived that plenty of times! :lol:

I'm personally optimistic that PG will have a good mindset going into the playoffs, but we'll see. Half his shot attempts are 3PA's (which is not a bad thing considering his 3PG% this year), but it's going to lead to some hot and cold games I think.
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Post#65 » by Clemenza » Fri Mar 12, 2021 7:52 pm

MartinToVaught wrote:They're not wrong about Playoff P. Just go back and watch the Mavs series. It's impossible to trust this guy in any important game.

Meanwhile...

Read on Twitter


It's getting harder and harder to make the case that we wouldn't be a better team with SGA instead of Playoff P.

Of course we miss SGA but Kawhi didn't want to play with him. What part of this do you not understand??? :banghead:

Not to mention there are no other stars on the Thunder and he has the green light to shoot!
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Post#66 » by RingColluder » Fri Mar 12, 2021 8:53 pm

NickP wrote:
og15 wrote:
RingColluder wrote:When are we making a trade.

This was like playing a G league team (with no Wiseman, till the 4th where he destroyed Zubac). The Pelicans are another bad team, but after Van Gundy called the loss to the Twolves, "embarrassing" maybe they'll show up against us.

Paul George continues to be an absolute nightmare and I am dreading him in the playoffs. The ultimate front runner.


We desperately need a PG. Paul George cannot be our PG on the 2nd team, he has bad handles and is a sloppy passer. A great shooter (sometimes) yes, but we should have really gotten a max guard to pair with Kawhi.

And it's not for lack of effort. I think everyone is playing together and buying into Ty Lue. We just dont' have the talent but at least defensively we show heart.
Huh? 20 mpg rookie Wiseman being out takes the Warriors from a .500 team to a G-League team? That's a wild take if I've ever heard one, lol

Lol. Exactly what I was thinking. Also the take about PG being a nightmare in the playoffs? Wow!


wait.... you're saying Paul George ISNT a nightmare in the playoffs? Have you been watching him the last 3 playoff series he's been in? Playoff P? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Good lord, I thought this board was better than Reddit.
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Post#67 » by RingColluder » Fri Mar 12, 2021 8:55 pm

og15 wrote:
RingColluder wrote:When are we making a trade.

This was like playing a G league team (with no Wiseman, till the 4th where he destroyed Zubac). The Pelicans are another bad team, but after Van Gundy called the loss to the Twolves, "embarrassing" maybe they'll show up against us.

Paul George continues to be an absolute nightmare and I am dreading him in the playoffs. The ultimate front runner.


We desperately need a PG. Paul George cannot be our PG on the 2nd team, he has bad handles and is a sloppy passer. A great shooter (sometimes) yes, but we should have really gotten a max guard to pair with Kawhi.

And it's not for lack of effort. I think everyone is playing together and buying into Ty Lue. We just dont' have the talent but at least defensively we show heart.
Huh? 20 mpg rookie Wiseman being out takes the Warriors from a .500 team to a G-League team? That's a wild take if I've ever heard one, lol


I thought our 2nd team lineup was bad, but other than Curry (and Wiseman) there is not a single offensive threat on that team besides Mannion who just came up a day ago. It is scary how bad they look, practically every FA they got they swung and missed on (Oubre, Wiggins). Did you see their offense? They were chucking up awful bricks and going wildly into the paint like it was.. a G league game!! G league teams have better chemistry than the Warriors. It was an awful showing.

Some fo that is on our defense, but given how poorly we've looked as recently as the Wizards, it says more about their talent level.
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Post#68 » by RingColluder » Fri Mar 12, 2021 8:57 pm

MartinToVaught wrote:They're not wrong about Playoff P. Just go back and watch the Mavs series. It's impossible to trust this guy in any important game.

Meanwhile...

Read on Twitter


It's getting harder and harder to make the case that we wouldn't be a better team with SGA instead of Playoff P.


It's impossible to trust him in a a PRIMETIME game let alone a playoff game :cry: :cry: :cry:


Yes I totally agree. With SGA, more cap space, draft picks and Kawhi, we'd be much better off than Paul George. The definition of a regular season player. :noway: :noway:
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Post#69 » by esqtvd » Fri Mar 12, 2021 11:45 pm

RingColluder wrote:
It's impossible to trust him in a PRIMETIME game let alone a playoff game :cry: :cry: :cry:


Yes I totally agree. With SGA, more cap space, draft picks and Kawhi, we'd be much better off than Paul George. The definition of a regular season player. :noway: :noway:



No Paul George, Kawhi no come. If the org had had a plan, they might have gone after Jimmy Butler first and hoped Kawhi would follow. I think the org was pretty reactive to the whole Kawhi thing, not proactive, which is how Sam Presti of OKC was able to squeeze the Clippers so hard in the PG trade. It MAY have been possible to get Kawhi and Butler and still keep SGA and all those picks.

But hey, this is our team, hell or high water. What we need to do over the next 6 weeks is practice playing hard on the defensive end and continuing to pound the paint. Last year's team never believed they couldn't turn on the faucet when the time came. But they couldn't. Nobody can. The defending champion Lakers are out there busting ass every night, just like last year.

Hey folks, the Clippers are now 19-5 in games with both Kawhi and PG. .760 translates to a 61½ win season. The most the Clippers ever won was 57. There's still room to enjoy this one if we let ourselves. :D

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“Time is going up now,” Ibaka said during his postgame interview following the Clippers’ blowout win over the Golden State Warriors. “Personally, and as a team, we have to be ready. The moment is now when you have to pick your pace up. Every game counts now and you know you’re going to be there in the playoffs, so your mindset is working right now so you can be ready in the playoffs. Everything you do right now, all of the small things matter."


    Obviously, the little details can vary from night to night, and from opponent to opponent. But there is no denying that the most crucial aspect that the Clippers must improve on is their defense. LA currently ranks 14th in the league in defensive rating, which is not going to cut it if the Clippers want to win a championship. Other than the 2017-18 Warriors (who, let’s be honest, were a cheat code), no NBA champion has ranked outside of the top 10 in defensive rating since the 2000-01 Los Angeles Lakers (also a cheat code).

https://www.si.com/nba/clippers/news/serge-ibaka-stresses-importance-of-second-half-of-season
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Post#70 » by clipperlover » Sat Mar 13, 2021 1:48 am

og15 wrote:
MartinToVaught wrote:They're not wrong about Playoff P. Just go back and watch the Mavs series. It's impossible to trust this guy in any important game.

Meanwhile...

Read on Twitter


It's getting harder and harder to make the case that we wouldn't be a better team with SGA instead of Playoff P.
Last playoffs was basically the worst of PG's career and the Mavs series was his worst. Statistically almost everything about last playoffs was an outlier for him when it came to percentage of bad games and consistency.

How are you making any case by citing SGA leading Thunder to a win against the Mavs without Luka or KP? Even if those two were there, your argument would be based on a single regular season game.

SGA averaged 16/5/4 last playoffs. After being tied 2-2, he averaged 11/3/5 and 3.7 turnovers over the last three games. I like SGA, not saying this to put him down, but saying this to figure out where this take comes from that there's some definitive proof that the Clippers would be better based on SGA’s play.


He's not comparing apples to apples. PG in his third season was 2nd Team All-NBA Defense, 3rd Team All-NBA and his team went 7 games in the ECF. He played a vital role for e legit contender in his 2nd and 3rd seasons vs the Heat. Shai has put up stats on feel good teams with no legitimate shot to make the NBA Finals. Shai in his 3rd season will not make the playoffs, nor an All-NBA Team.
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Post#71 » by RingColluder » Sat Mar 13, 2021 1:54 am

esqtvd wrote:
RingColluder wrote:
It's impossible to trust him in a PRIMETIME game let alone a playoff game :cry: :cry: :cry:


Yes I totally agree. With SGA, more cap space, draft picks and Kawhi, we'd be much better off than Paul George. The definition of a regular season player. :noway: :noway:



No Paul George, Kawhi no come. If the org had had a plan, they might have gone after Jimmy Butler first and hoped Kawhi would follow. I think the org was pretty reactive to the whole Kawhi thing, not proactive, which is how Sam Presti of OKC was able to squeeze the Clippers so hard in the PG trade. It MAY have been possible to get Kawhi and Butler and still keep SGA and all those picks.

But hey, this is our team, hell or high water. What we need to do over the next 6 weeks is practice playing hard on the defensive end and continuing to pound the paint. Last year's team never believed they couldn't turn on the faucet when the time came. But they couldn't. Nobody can. The defending champion Lakers are out there busting ass every night, just like last year.

Hey folks, the Clippers are now 19-5 in games with both Kawhi and PG. .760 translates to a 61½ win season. The most the Clippers ever won was 57. There's still room to enjoy this one if we let ourselves. :D

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LATE ADD:

“Time is going up now,” Ibaka said during his postgame interview following the Clippers’ blowout win over the Golden State Warriors. “Personally, and as a team, we have to be ready. The moment is now when you have to pick your pace up. Every game counts now and you know you’re going to be there in the playoffs, so your mindset is working right now so you can be ready in the playoffs. Everything you do right now, all of the small things matter."


    Obviously, the little details can vary from night to night, and from opponent to opponent. But there is no denying that the most crucial aspect that the Clippers must improve on is their defense. LA currently ranks 14th in the league in defensive rating, which is not going to cut it if the Clippers want to win a championship. Other than the 2017-18 Warriors (who, let’s be honest, were a cheat code), no NBA champion has ranked outside of the top 10 in defensive rating since the 2000-01 Los Angeles Lakers (also a cheat code).

https://www.si.com/nba/clippers/news/serge-ibaka-stresses-importance-of-second-half-of-season

They should have called his bluff. He was not going to go to the Lakers if that's what they were worried about.

Worst case Kawhi would have done a. 1 + 1 in Toronto. The Clippers trading 6 picks for PG or whatever is awful. This is our last year to win a championship. Beverly is done, Kennard is done, Morris is done in 2 years, Ibaka and Batum are close to it.

And no cap space.

T-Mann cannot replace Bev talent wise next year, we need to win it this year and a finals appearance losing 4-1 to the Nets is the minimum. Any WCF loss is bad.
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Post#72 » by RingColluder » Sat Mar 13, 2021 7:26 am

Today Montrez went 8-11 in 32 minutes, 6 rebounds, 3 blocks 17 points
Kuzma went 8-18 (3-6 from 3) 30 minutes 13 rebounds 24 points

I can only dream of Zu ever once hitting those numbers once in a season
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Re: GAME 39: Clippers (24-14) vs Warriors (19-18)—Thurs 7PM PST on TNT 

Post#73 » by og15 » Sat Mar 13, 2021 1:46 pm

RingColluder wrote:
og15 wrote:
RingColluder wrote:When are we making a trade.

This was like playing a G league team (with no Wiseman, till the 4th where he destroyed Zubac). The Pelicans are another bad team, but after Van Gundy called the loss to the Twolves, "embarrassing" maybe they'll show up against us.

Paul George continues to be an absolute nightmare and I am dreading him in the playoffs. The ultimate front runner.


We desperately need a PG. Paul George cannot be our PG on the 2nd team, he has bad handles and is a sloppy passer. A great shooter (sometimes) yes, but we should have really gotten a max guard to pair with Kawhi.

And it's not for lack of effort. I think everyone is playing together and buying into Ty Lue. We just dont' have the talent but at least defensively we show heart.
Huh? 20 mpg rookie Wiseman being out takes the Warriors from a .500 team to a G-League team? That's a wild take if I've ever heard one, lol


I thought our 2nd team lineup was bad, but other than Curry (and Wiseman) there is not a single offensive threat on that team besides Mannion who just came up a day ago. It is scary how bad they look, practically every FA they got they swung and missed on (Oubre, Wiggins). Did you see their offense? They were chucking up awful bricks and going wildly into the paint like it was.. a G league game!! G league teams have better chemistry than the Warriors. It was an awful showing.

Some fo that is on our defense, but given how poorly we've looked as recently as the Wizards, it says more about their talent level.

Warriors played poorly because Curry was taken out of the game offensively. Wiseman being out doesn't make them "comparable to a G-League team", the young man doesn't have that much impact on the team, especially offensively.

He's played 30% of their minutes, he's played 414/553 minutes WITH Curry, their best offensive player, yes the offense is terrible when he's on the floor and about 10 pts/100 better with him off than on. The stating lineup is negative with him on the court.

I'm not saying he's a bad player, but he's a rookie, it's expected that he will not be a high impact player.
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Re: GAME 39: Clippers (24-14) vs Warriors (19-18)—Thurs 7PM PST on TNT 

Post#74 » by og15 » Sat Mar 13, 2021 1:47 pm

RingColluder wrote:
esqtvd wrote:
RingColluder wrote:
It's impossible to trust him in a PRIMETIME game let alone a playoff game :cry: :cry: :cry:


Yes I totally agree. With SGA, more cap space, draft picks and Kawhi, we'd be much better off than Paul George. The definition of a regular season player. :noway: :noway:



No Paul George, Kawhi no come. If the org had had a plan, they might have gone after Jimmy Butler first and hoped Kawhi would follow. I think the org was pretty reactive to the whole Kawhi thing, not proactive, which is how Sam Presti of OKC was able to squeeze the Clippers so hard in the PG trade. It MAY have been possible to get Kawhi and Butler and still keep SGA and all those picks.

But hey, this is our team, hell or high water. What we need to do over the next 6 weeks is practice playing hard on the defensive end and continuing to pound the paint. Last year's team never believed they couldn't turn on the faucet when the time came. But they couldn't. Nobody can. The defending champion Lakers are out there busting ass every night, just like last year.

Hey folks, the Clippers are now 19-5 in games with both Kawhi and PG. .760 translates to a 61½ win season. The most the Clippers ever won was 57. There's still room to enjoy this one if we let ourselves. :D

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LATE ADD:

“Time is going up now,” Ibaka said during his postgame interview following the Clippers’ blowout win over the Golden State Warriors. “Personally, and as a team, we have to be ready. The moment is now when you have to pick your pace up. Every game counts now and you know you’re going to be there in the playoffs, so your mindset is working right now so you can be ready in the playoffs. Everything you do right now, all of the small things matter."


    Obviously, the little details can vary from night to night, and from opponent to opponent. But there is no denying that the most crucial aspect that the Clippers must improve on is their defense. LA currently ranks 14th in the league in defensive rating, which is not going to cut it if the Clippers want to win a championship. Other than the 2017-18 Warriors (who, let’s be honest, were a cheat code), no NBA champion has ranked outside of the top 10 in defensive rating since the 2000-01 Los Angeles Lakers (also a cheat code).

https://www.si.com/nba/clippers/news/serge-ibaka-stresses-importance-of-second-half-of-season

They should have called his bluff. He was not going to go to the Lakers if that's what they were worried about.

Worst case Kawhi would have done a. 1 + 1 in Toronto. The Clippers trading 6 picks for PG or whatever is awful. This is our last year to win a championship. Beverly is done, Kennard is done, Morris is done in 2 years, Ibaka and Batum are close to it.

And no cap space.

T-Mann cannot replace Bev talent wise next year, we need to win it this year and a finals appearance losing 4-1 to the Nets is the minimum. Any WCF loss is bad.

You just made the "everyone sucks" post that esqtvd was looking for and projecting onto others :wink: :lol:
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Post#75 » by RingColluder » Sat Mar 13, 2021 7:39 pm

og15 wrote:
RingColluder wrote:
esqtvd wrote:

No Paul George, Kawhi no come. If the org had had a plan, they might have gone after Jimmy Butler first and hoped Kawhi would follow. I think the org was pretty reactive to the whole Kawhi thing, not proactive, which is how Sam Presti of OKC was able to squeeze the Clippers so hard in the PG trade. It MAY have been possible to get Kawhi and Butler and still keep SGA and all those picks.

But hey, this is our team, hell or high water. What we need to do over the next 6 weeks is practice playing hard on the defensive end and continuing to pound the paint. Last year's team never believed they couldn't turn on the faucet when the time came. But they couldn't. Nobody can. The defending champion Lakers are out there busting ass every night, just like last year.

Hey folks, the Clippers are now 19-5 in games with both Kawhi and PG. .760 translates to a 61½ win season. The most the Clippers ever won was 57. There's still room to enjoy this one if we let ourselves. :D

___________________________

LATE ADD:



    Obviously, the little details can vary from night to night, and from opponent to opponent. But there is no denying that the most crucial aspect that the Clippers must improve on is their defense. LA currently ranks 14th in the league in defensive rating, which is not going to cut it if the Clippers want to win a championship. Other than the 2017-18 Warriors (who, let’s be honest, were a cheat code), no NBA champion has ranked outside of the top 10 in defensive rating since the 2000-01 Los Angeles Lakers (also a cheat code).

https://www.si.com/nba/clippers/news/serge-ibaka-stresses-importance-of-second-half-of-season

They should have called his bluff. He was not going to go to the Lakers if that's what they were worried about.

Worst case Kawhi would have done a. 1 + 1 in Toronto. The Clippers trading 6 picks for PG or whatever is awful. This is our last year to win a championship. Beverly is done, Kennard is done, Morris is done in 2 years, Ibaka and Batum are close to it.

And no cap space.

T-Mann cannot replace Bev talent wise next year, we need to win it this year and a finals appearance losing 4-1 to the Nets is the minimum. Any WCF loss is bad.

You just made the "everyone sucks" post that esqtvd was looking for and projecting onto others :wink: :lol:


This team isn't very good lol, that's just my opinion from watching every single game this entire season.

Obviously a fully healthy team (which seems impossible now w Bev's constant injuries) gives us at least a 25% to compete with most any team, but again the trash play of PG in the playoffs rearing it's ugly head EVERY SINGLE POSTSEASON the last 3 or so years is the main deterrent from me having confidence in us moving forward.


This is still the best I've seen PG's 3 point shot look as a Clipper, but every time he plays in a primetime game disaster strikes in his mindset and wanting to, "be the man".


You really feel confident in this team in a round 1 series vs the Trailblazers, Nuggest, or Mavericks? :cry: This team is worse than last year's team and it isn't even very close.

We'll be relying on Ibaka to play like he did last night, Morris as well, Lou to be hot consistently, and then one of Batum/Bev/Reggie/Kennard to pick up the slack spotting up. A strong PG would solve a lot of our problems.

Not happening but watching the Pacers/Lakers game, some sort of Brogdon and Sabonis (not happening probably) for PG and ... idk maybe Ibaka or Morris plus filler would be ideal for the team.

Kawhi obviously is the main factor in us doing anything, and the best player in the NBA as far as I'm concerned.
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Post#76 » by og15 » Sat Mar 13, 2021 8:11 pm

RingColluder wrote:
og15 wrote:
RingColluder wrote:They should have called his bluff. He was not going to go to the Lakers if that's what they were worried about.

Worst case Kawhi would have done a. 1 + 1 in Toronto. The Clippers trading 6 picks for PG or whatever is awful. This is our last year to win a championship. Beverly is done, Kennard is done, Morris is done in 2 years, Ibaka and Batum are close to it.

And no cap space.

T-Mann cannot replace Bev talent wise next year, we need to win it this year and a finals appearance losing 4-1 to the Nets is the minimum. Any WCF loss is bad.

You just made the "everyone sucks" post that esqtvd was looking for and projecting onto others :wink: :lol:


This team isn't very good lol, that's just my opinion from watching every single game this entire season.

Obviously a fully healthy team (which seems impossible now w Bev's constant injuries) gives us at least a 25% to compete with most any team, but again the trash play of PG in the playoffs rearing it's ugly head EVERY SINGLE POSTSEASON the last 3 or so years is the main deterrent from me having confidence in us moving forward.


This is still the best I've seen PG's 3 point shot look as a Clipper, but every time he plays in a primetime game disaster strikes in his mindset and wanting to, "be the man".


You really feel confident in this team in a round 1 series vs the Trailblazers, Nuggest, or Mavericks? :cry: This team is worse than last year's team and it isn't even very close.

We'll be relying on Ibaka to play like he did last night, Morris as well, Lou to be hot consistently, and then one of Batum/Bev/Reggie/Kennard to pick up the slack spotting up. A strong PG would solve a lot of our problems.

Not happening but watching the Pacers/Lakers game, some sort of Brogdon and Sabonis (not happening probably) for PG and ... idk maybe Ibaka or Morris plus filler would be ideal for the team.

Kawhi obviously is the main factor in us doing anything, and the best player in the NBA as far as I'm concerned.

Why would I not feel confident in the team against the Blazers or Mavericks? The Mavericks are a bad defense (worse than last season), have regressed on offense (their bench shooters/scorers killed the Clippers), and KP is out every other day. The Blazers don't have any forwards or bigs to really punish the Clippers (without getting lit up, eg: Kanter) and are an absolutely trash defense, but that can certainly change depending on how Nurkic returns.

The Nuggets beat the Clippers last year and are the 5th seed after a slow start, with a 5.22 SRS (Clippers 5.67) and just two games behind the Clippers. Jokic is playing like an MVP averaging 27/11/9. Their defense which people were worried about with the loss of Grant and Craig has picked up and is about as good as it was last year (average defense). The Clippers so far are a similar defense (average) and a better offense due to 3PT shooting, but don't have a dynamic playmaker among their stars like the Nuggets have with Jokic, and even Murray if we look past just apg is a better playmaker than both Kawhi and George, or at worst, just as good. In a series, based on current play the Clippers would have to rely on their 3PT shooting holding up over the series, or being better defensively.

So yea, I haven no irrational confidence that the Clippers would just beat the Nuggets, but that doesn't change with last seasons team. In fact, Harrell the main difference from last season to now doesn't match up well vs the Nuggets. Zubac actually ends up being the best big vs the Nuggets based on last season, and that is a lot to do with his size. In game 5 he was one of only two players who the team was + when they were on the court, the other was Williams, and Zubac played 11 more minutes than Williams and was the only + player in the second half. In game 6 he was the only player who the team was + for his total minutes on the court, but that primarily came from the first half.

No big trade is happening. Paul George signed an extension in December, a player can't be traded until 6 months after signing an extension. PG is not eligible to be traded until June, so until the off-season. If he was, we would have seen the Clippers look into trading him for Harden in order to get a top level playmaker among their stars, but there's a reason the Clippers weren't even mentioned in relation to Harden, it wasn't possible.
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Re: GAME 39: Clippers (24-14) vs Warriors (19-18)—Thurs 7PM PST on TNT 

Post#77 » by esqtvd » Sat Mar 13, 2021 8:55 pm

RingColluder wrote:Today Montrez went 8-11 in 32 minutes, 6 rebounds, 3 blocks 17 points
Kuzma went 8-18 (3-6 from 3) 30 minutes 13 rebounds 24 points

I can only dream of Zu ever once hitting those numbers once in a season



Production is a tricky business. Trezz and Kuzma were also only plus+2 or 3. On the other hand, you have to keep the scoreboard ticking. If the best defenders can't put the ball in the hole, you're still going to end up in the minus. And sometimes, if your bench can just keep it close, that's the most you can ask.

Zubac is problematic because he doesn't even have a post game. You can't just hand him the ball and hope for some points. Ain't gonna happen. Starting him along with our top scorers maximized his utility, but Serge didn't come here to play alongside T-Mann and neither am I sure he'd be any better than Zu on the second unit. This year is proving how dependent we were on the Lou and Trezz Show, which basically made something out of nothing.

[Lou-Trezz was plus+3.3; Zu paired with our best player Kawhi was only a bit better @ plus+4.0. Lou-Zu this year is only plus+1.0. Trezz-Kawhi last year was plus+4.5.]
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Re: GAME 39: Clippers (24-14) vs Warriors (19-18)—Thurs 7PM PST on TNT 

Post#78 » by Clemenza » Sat Mar 13, 2021 10:02 pm

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MartinToVaught wrote:They're not wrong about Playoff P. Just go back and watch the Mavs series. It's impossible to trust this guy in any important game.

Meanwhile...

Read on Twitter


It's getting harder and harder to make the case that we wouldn't be a better team with SGA instead of Playoff P.


It's impossible to trust him in a a PRIMETIME game let alone a playoff game :cry: :cry: :cry:


Yes I totally agree. With SGA, more cap space, draft picks and Kawhi, we'd be much better off than Paul George. The definition of a regular season player. :noway: :noway:

And how do we know SGA isn't just a 'regular season player' as well? I was pissed at trading him away just as much as the next guy but he didn't have a good bubble performance either with CP3 on the team last season. He definitely has upside I still have to see him perform when the lights are bright for a team that has expectations placed on them
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Re: GAME 39: Clippers (24-14) vs Warriors (19-18)—Thurs 7PM PST on TNT 

Post#79 » by RingColluder » Sun Mar 14, 2021 12:30 am

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RingColluder wrote:
og15 wrote:You just made the "everyone sucks" post that esqtvd was looking for and projecting onto others :wink: :lol:


This team isn't very good lol, that's just my opinion from watching every single game this entire season.

Obviously a fully healthy team (which seems impossible now w Bev's constant injuries) gives us at least a 25% to compete with most any team, but again the trash play of PG in the playoffs rearing it's ugly head EVERY SINGLE POSTSEASON the last 3 or so years is the main deterrent from me having confidence in us moving forward.


This is still the best I've seen PG's 3 point shot look as a Clipper, but every time he plays in a primetime game disaster strikes in his mindset and wanting to, "be the man".


You really feel confident in this team in a round 1 series vs the Trailblazers, Nuggest, or Mavericks? :cry: This team is worse than last year's team and it isn't even very close.

We'll be relying on Ibaka to play like he did last night, Morris as well, Lou to be hot consistently, and then one of Batum/Bev/Reggie/Kennard to pick up the slack spotting up. A strong PG would solve a lot of our problems.

Not happening but watching the Pacers/Lakers game, some sort of Brogdon and Sabonis (not happening probably) for PG and ... idk maybe Ibaka or Morris plus filler would be ideal for the team.

Kawhi obviously is the main factor in us doing anything, and the best player in the NBA as far as I'm concerned.


Why would I not feel confident in the team against the Blazers or Mavericks? The Mavericks are a bad defense (worse than last season), have regressed on offense (their bench shooters/scorers killed the Clippers), and KP is out every other day. The Blazers don't have any forwards or bigs to really punish the Clippers (without getting lit up, eg: Kanter) and are an absolutely trash defense, but that can certainly change depending on how Nurkic returns.

The Nuggets beat the Clippers last year and are the 5th seed after a slow start, with a 5.22 SRS (Clippers 5.67) and just two games behind the Clippers. Jokic is playing like an MVP averaging 27/11/9. Their defense which people were worried about with the loss of Grant and Craig has picked up and is about as good as it was last year (average defense). The Clippers so far are a similar defense (average) and a better offense due to 3PT shooting, but don't have a dynamic playmaker among their stars like the Nuggets have with Jokic, and even Murray if we look past just apg is a better playmaker than both Kawhi and George, or at worst, just as good. In a series, based on current play the Clippers would have to rely on their 3PT shooting holding up over the series, or being better defensively.

So yea, I haven no irrational confidence that the Clippers would just beat the Nuggets, but that doesn't change with last seasons team. In fact, Harrell the main difference from last season to now doesn't match up well vs the Nuggets. Zubac actually ends up being the best big vs the Nuggets based on last season, and that is a lot to do with his size. In game 5 he was one of only two players who the team was + when they were on the court, the other was Williams, and Zubac played 11 more minutes than Williams and was the only + player in the second half. In game 6 he was the only player who the team was + for his total minutes on the court, but that primarily came from the first half.

No big trade is happening. Paul George signed an extension in December, a player can't be traded until 6 months after signing an extension. PG is not eligible to be traded until June, so until the off-season. If he was, we would have seen the Clippers look into trading him for Harden in order to get a top level playmaker among their stars, but there's a reason the Clippers weren't even mentioned in relation to Harden, it wasn't possible.


Luka Doncic is a better player than PG. Dame Lillard is a better player than PG.

You're telling me to believe in Kawhi Leonard to outperform McCollum and Lillard, or Luka/Porzingis while dealing with PG's inconsistent shooting games for 7 brutal games. The team has little depth, it's very difficult to see that at the current roster.

You say rely on 3pt shooting, I question wide open Batum, Bev, Kennard, Reggie shots for a 7 game series. I have zero confidence for 7 games. Maybe 1 or 2.

No more Montrez talk, he had personal issues, if you don't believe that hindered his bubble game we disagree.

We won't make it past the 2nd round without a trade. There are plenty of big men who are going to end up getting released. We need to sign someone in FA who gets released soon. I can't emphasize enough how badly a trade is needed to have a chance to even play the Lakers in the WCF.


I also don't believe a 7 game series loss against the Lakers is serviceable. Last season, we would have beaten the Lakers in 5-6 games in a series. Now, I'm unsure.
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Re: GAME 39: Clippers (24-14) vs Warriors (19-18)—Thurs 7PM PST on TNT 

Post#80 » by RingColluder » Sun Mar 14, 2021 12:32 am

esqtvd wrote:
RingColluder wrote:Today Montrez went 8-11 in 32 minutes, 6 rebounds, 3 blocks 17 points
Kuzma went 8-18 (3-6 from 3) 30 minutes 13 rebounds 24 points

I can only dream of Zu ever once hitting those numbers once in a season



Production is a tricky business. Trezz and Kuzma were also only plus+2 or 3. On the other hand, you have to keep the scoreboard ticking. If the best defenders can't put the ball in the hole, you're still going to end up in the minus. And sometimes, if your bench can just keep it close, that's the most you can ask.

Zubac is problematic because he doesn't even have a post game. You can't just hand him the ball and hope for some points. Ain't gonna happen. Starting him along with our top scorers maximized his utility, but Serge didn't come here to play alongside T-Mann and neither am I sure he'd be any better than Zu on the second unit. This year is proving how dependent we were on the Lou and Trezz Show, which basically made something out of nothing.

[Lou-Trezz was plus+3.3; Zu paired with our best player Kawhi was only a bit better @ plus+4.0. Lou-Zu this year is only plus+1.0. Trezz-Kawhi last year was plus+4.5.]


Imagine having Ibaka, Trez + Lou on the same roster. At 9 million for Harrell I'm sick. :banghead: :banghead:

Ibaka at his best can get us to a WCF. He's still a great player, and if they truly are relying on Morris on the 2nd lineup, we'll need Ibaka to consistently look like the 3rd best player in the starting lineup.

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