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Re: The Clipper General Board w/Random Thoughts, Youth Development, Ex Clippers Shinin', etc. Extravaganza 

Post#61 » by og15 » Fri Nov 22, 2024 9:28 pm

MartinToVaught wrote:What a douchey thing to say about your own teammate, especially in public:

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The word "consistent" shouldn't even come out of PG's mouth anyway. The only things that are consistent with him are turnovers and disappointment.

Unless I have no idea about context or understanding the English language, the issue I would have here would be "we", not that the we is wrong, but that he should just say "I". He should say, "I should step up...".

This is actually a compliment to McCain not a diss. What is being said here is that the veterans should be matching the consistency and performance of the rookie, not anything negative about the rookie lol

The real problem is including the we, not because it's incorrect, but because, it's always better to speak about yourself in a public forum when it comes to something like this. That's the only part you can control, so speak on that.


esqtvd wrote:The Pels just picked up Elfrid Peyton, who started alongside BBJ and put up better numbers. Rookie Antonio Reeves played 40 minutes and put up 34 points. Once Dejounte Murray and CJ McCollum make it back, it's hard to see where Boston fits.

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He had a good run. The NBA is all about consistency, lots of NBA players can have a good game, a few good games, what seperates the wheat from the chaff is those who do it consistently. Same thing that separates superstar/tier 1 star from All-Star/tier 2 or 3 star.

Last 6 games he's at 12/6/5 in 34 mpg on 34/28 FG. The most intriguing thing is the assists, but he's regressed to the mean of his NBA ability as a scorer and shooter.
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Post#62 » by esqtvd » Fri Nov 22, 2024 11:48 pm

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MartinToVaught wrote:What a douchey thing to say about your own teammate, especially in public:

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The word "consistent" shouldn't even come out of PG's mouth anyway. The only things that are consistent with him are turnovers and disappointment.

Unless I have no idea about context or understanding the English language, the issue I would have here would be "we", not that the we is wrong, but that he should just say "I". He should say, "I should step up...".

This is actually a compliment to McCain not a diss. What is being said here is that the veterans should be matching the consistency and performance of the rookie, not anything negative about the rookie lol

The real problem is including the we, not because it's incorrect, but because, it's always better to speak about yourself in a public forum when it comes to something like this. That's the only part you can control, so speak on that.


esqtvd wrote:The Pels just picked up Elfrid Peyton, who started alongside BBJ and put up better numbers. Rookie Antonio Reeves played 40 minutes and put up 34 points. Once Dejounte Murray and CJ McCollum make it back, it's hard to see where Boston fits.

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He had a good run. The NBA is all about consistency, lots of NBA players can have a good game, a few good games, what seperates the wheat from the chaff is those who do it consistently. Same thing that separates superstar/tier 1 star from All-Star/tier 2 or 3 star.

Last 6 games he's at 12/6/5 in 34 mpg on 34/28 FG. The most intriguing thing is the assists, but he's regressed to the mean of his NBA ability as a scorer and shooter.


Diabate maybe carving out a place for himself in the NBA as a no-score rebound machine, but that creature doesn't really exist anymore. 0 points, 16 rebounds, 7 of them offensive in a win last night. But jeez, that really clogs the lane for your own scorers. [He was also going up against the Pistons, who have 2 young centers who put up numbers as good or better than his.]

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Post#63 » by TrueLAfan » Sat Nov 23, 2024 12:23 am

I'm happy for Moussa--really. I also think that if Kai Jones were getting those minutes, Kai Jones would be putting up numbers similar in raw value--less rebounding, simlar shooting and defensive metrics, more range. And I think it would have about the same impact ... which on a better team (which we are, right now at least), it's kind of a nothing burger. He's putting up better numbers on a worse team. Kai is getting 10-11th man minutes. That's what Moussa would get here.

The player who's coming up faster than I thought he would is Kevin Porter Jr.

KPJ: First 8 games
15.9 mpg, 6.5 ppg, 3.8 rpg, 3.0 apg, 33% FG%, 10% 3P%

Last 8 games
18.6 mpg, 10.0 ppg, 2.3 rpg, 3.0 apg, 51% FG%, 38% 3P%

He’s actually shooting lousy from the line—probably needs to get his rhythm back—but he’s doing pretty much exactly what I figured he would and shaking off the rust. He’s what we expected and wanted—we’re 5-3 in those last 8 games. If you’ve got a bench guy coming and giving you 10-2.5-3 with good efficiency in under 20 mpg, it’s a (big) plus.

It’s also easy to forget just how young he still is too. He’s 24. He’s only five months older than Bones, who’s still seen as a project. He’s younger than Kobe, who we want to develop. Again—this is a 10-2.5-3 guy that’s shooting well and helping us right now.
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Post#64 » by Ballings7 » Sat Nov 23, 2024 1:04 am

Neat game from Moussa.. maybe he'll be back one day

What will be especially fun is how he plays against this team : )

Big nights for the campaign haha

TrueLAfan wrote:I'm happy for Moussa--really. I also think that if Kai Jones were getting those minutes, Kai Jones would be putting up numbers similar in raw value--less rebounding, simlar shooting and defensive metrics, more range. And I think it would have about the same impact ... which on a better team (which we are, right now at least), it's kind of a nothing burger. He's putting up better numbers on a worse team. Kai is getting 10-11th man minutes. That's what Moussa would get here.

The player who's coming up faster than I thought he would is Kevin Porter Jr.

KPJ: First 8 games
15.9 mpg, 6.5 ppg, 3.8 rpg, 3.0 apg, 33% FG%, 10% 3P%

Last 8 games
18.6 mpg, 10.0 ppg, 2.3 rpg, 3.0 apg, 51% FG%, 38% 3P%

He’s actually shooting lousy from the line—probably needs to get his rhythm back—but he’s doing pretty much exactly what I figured he would and shaking off the rust. He’s what we expected and wanted—we’re 5-3 in those last 8 games. If you’ve got a bench guy coming and giving you 10-2.5-3 with good efficiency in under 20 mpg, it’s a (big) plus.

It’s also easy to forget just how young he still is too. He’s 24. He’s only five months older than Bones, who’s still seen as a project. He’s younger than Kobe, who we want to develop. Again—this is a 10-2.5-3 guy that’s shooting well and helping us right now.


Well said.

Yeah knew it would take some time, given his game-type, time away from the league, and maybe a bit wary mentally with the off-court investigation.

Really good that he's getting into a rhythm, earning trust and looking energetic out there.
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Post#65 » by Clemenza » Sat Nov 23, 2024 2:49 am

og15 wrote:
MartinToVaught wrote:What a douchey thing to say about your own teammate, especially in public:

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The word "consistent" shouldn't even come out of PG's mouth anyway. The only things that are consistent with him are turnovers and disappointment.

Unless I have no idea about context or understanding the English language, the issue I would have here would be "we", not that the we is wrong, but that he should just say "I". He should say, "I should step up...".

This is actually a compliment to McCain not a diss. What is being said here is that the veterans should be matching the consistency and performance of the rookie, not anything negative about the rookie lol

The real problem is including the we, not because it's incorrect, but because, it's always better to speak about yourself in a public forum when it comes to something like this. That's the only part you can control, so speak on that.


esqtvd wrote:The Pels just picked up Elfrid Peyton, who started alongside BBJ and put up better numbers. Rookie Antonio Reeves played 40 minutes and put up 34 points. Once Dejounte Murray and CJ McCollum make it back, it's hard to see where Boston fits.

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He had a good run. The NBA is all about consistency, lots of NBA players can have a good game, a few good games, what seperates the wheat from the chaff is those who do it consistently. Same thing that separates superstar/tier 1 star from All-Star/tier 2 or 3 star.

Last 6 games he's at 12/6/5 in 34 mpg on 34/28 FG. The most intriguing thing is the assists, but he's regressed to the mean of his NBA ability as a scorer and shooter.

As for the PG speaking on McCain, he's technically not wrong, but again, it's something that didn't need to be said publicly. PG needs to let some things go, not speak on it, and simply let it play out. It was also a comment that raised eyebrows because he best friend Reggie didn't want to pass to the hot shooting McCain on several plays in a couple of games last week when his hype started to grow.. so low key there is something there about the rook outshining and getting more props than the $200 million dollar superstar vets.

On another note, here's another team that might be imploding in the West which is good for us. They screwed up big time with the Randle for KAT trade.


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Post#66 » by MartinToVaught » Sat Nov 23, 2024 2:59 pm

og15 wrote:This is actually a compliment to McCain not a diss.

Doesn't sound that way. He makes it sound like it's shameful for McCain to be the Sixers' best player right now, a problem that needs to be fixed. A good teammate would be happy that McCain is stepping up. There's a way to say the rest of the team meeds to step up without putting McCain in his place because he's not a big name or "supposed to" be good.

Like always, PG is incapable of thinking before he speaks and creates even more drama for his team.
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Post#67 » by MartinToVaught » Sat Nov 23, 2024 3:04 pm

Clemenza wrote:Since we were a 45-50 win team, that gave PG some leeway to do a in-season podcast without much blow back. Can't do an in-season podcast with a 2-12 record and you're constantly injured. Reading the room and awareness is not PG's strong suit. It's going to be interesting to see how this plays out.

If I was Silver, I'd put my foot down and say no more podcasts during the season. It's a terrible look for the NBA to have a player essentially grifting off his own team's downfall with clickbait content. It reinforces so many of the problems with this league that are tanking its ratings.
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Post#68 » by og15 » Sat Nov 23, 2024 6:00 pm

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og15 wrote:This is actually a compliment to McCain not a diss.

Doesn't sound that way. He makes it sound like it's shameful for McCain to be the Sixers' best player right now, a problem that needs to be fixed. A good teammate would be happy that McCain is stepping up. There's a way to say the rest of the team meeds to step up without putting McCain in his place because he's not a big name or "supposed to" be good.

Like always, PG is incapable of thinking before he speaks and creates even more drama for his team.

Yea, but he didn't say "he can't be good" or he's not supposed to be good, he said can't be the MOST consistent, that's a very important part. If you're a 2-12 or whatever their record was at the time team, and your rookie is playing very well, AND your most consistent player, then yes, he really can't be, because that's a sign that everyone else is not matching even that level of consistent production.

The Sixers aim is a championship, or at least a deep playoff run (I think??), if a rookie is your most consistent player, not that your rookie is as consistent as your stars, but MOST consistent in that everyone else is lagging, then you're not any sort of high level team. McCain has been great over their last 8 games (25/3/4 on 49/46/93), and the Sixers are 2-6, why? Because he's been the most consistent player and no one else is matching.

If Chet was more consistent than SGA last season (and Chet was technically a second year guy like Blake as he had the NBA development for a year already), and he was pretty consistent, but the Thunder would not have been the team they were.

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“Jared’s been awesome, he just plays with such a swag. He knows he belongs, it don’t matter who’s on the floor, he knows he belongs and he plays like it. To be quite frank, he’s been our most consistent player on the team so far. He should be a candidate. We definitely got to step our s*** up. He can’t be our most consistent player. We all gotta step our s*** up and match that energy. He’s got a great future.”


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Yea, it is very positive to McCain. PG is an easy guy to go after because he's aloof, because he talks a lot due to the podcast, so there will be stuff to quote, and because he seems to be oblivious to perception of certain things. In this case, this is not a negative comment in any way about McCain, unless people simply want to find a way to make it so because, well it is PG and I don't like him anyways.

The issue I would have with his comment, and I know this is just him saying it in passing, and the we might also be because Reggie Jackson a teammate is also in the conversation, but because of his poor play too, PG should be saying, "I", not "we". The rest of the made up supposed outrage is just the regular social media, people won't read past the one line, don't care for any context and will look to misunderstand or portray things in a certain way regardless, if they already don't like the person.
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Post#69 » by esqtvd » Sat Nov 23, 2024 9:05 pm

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og15 wrote:This is actually a compliment to McCain not a diss.

Doesn't sound that way. He makes it sound like it's shameful for McCain to be the Sixers' best player right now, a problem that needs to be fixed. A good teammate would be happy that McCain is stepping up. There's a way to say the rest of the team meeds to step up without putting McCain in his place because he's not a big name or "supposed to" be good.

Like always, PG is incapable of thinking before he speaks and creates even more drama for his team.

Yea, but he didn't say "he can't be good" or he's not supposed to be good, he said can't be the MOST consistent, that's a very important part. If you're a 2-12 or whatever their record was at the time team, and your rookie is playing very well, AND your most consistent player, then yes, he really can't be, because that's a sign that everyone else is not matching even that level of consistent production.

The Sixers aim is a championship, or at least a deep playoff run (I think??), if a rookie is your most consistent player, not that your rookie is as consistent as your stars, but MOST consistent in that everyone else is lagging, then you're not any sort of high level team. McCain has been great over their last 8 games (25/3/4 on 49/46/93), and the Sixers are 2-6, why? Because he's been the most consistent player and no one else is matching.

If Chet was more consistent than SGA last season (and Chet was technically a second year guy like Blake as he had the NBA development for a year already), and he was pretty consistent, but the Thunder would not have been the team they were.

Here's the full quote:
“Jared’s been awesome, he just plays with such a swag. He knows he belongs, it don’t matter who’s on the floor, he knows he belongs and he plays like it. To be quite frank, he’s been our most consistent player on the team so far. He should be a candidate. We definitely got to step our s*** up. He can’t be our most consistent player. We all gotta step our s*** up and match that energy. He’s got a great future.”


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Yea, it is very positive to McCain. PG is an easy guy to go after because he's aloof, because he talks a lot due to the podcast, so there will be stuff to quote, and because he seems to be oblivious to perception of certain things. In this case, this is not a negative comment in any way about McCain, unless people simply want to find a way to make it so because, well it is PG and I don't like him anyways.

The issue I would have with his comment, and I know this is just him saying it in passing, and the we might also be because Reggie Jackson a teammate is also in the conversation, but because of his poor play too, PG should be saying, "I", not "we". The rest of the made up supposed outrage is just the regular social media, people won't read past the one line, don't care for any context and will look to misunderstand or portray things in a certain way regardless, if they already don't like the person.


I listen to Philly's WIP sportstalk on and off all day. Absolutely zero splashback about PG's comment here. Everyone knew what he meant. In fact the city has totally given up on the Sixers and have completely turned against Embiid. He sat out AGAIN last night. It was unthinkable to trade him just a month ago now but everybody's ready to start over. The Process is dead.
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Post#70 » by MartinToVaught » Sat Nov 23, 2024 11:01 pm

We'll have to agree to disagree, but PG should have just stopped at "he knows he belongs and plays like it." Everything he says after that undermines the compliments. Again, this all comes back to PG never thinking before he speaks.
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Post#71 » by Clemenza » Sun Nov 24, 2024 1:49 am

Tired of seeing this sh*t on my Twitter timeline. Its either Kuzma or Lavine every time. Personally I'm enjoying the progression of Coffey, KPJ, and Miller. A trade like this does open up some roster spots though.

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Post#72 » by Clemenza » Sun Nov 24, 2024 1:58 am

MartinToVaught wrote:We'll have to agree to disagree, but PG should have just stopped at "he knows he belongs and plays like it." Everything he says after that undermines the compliments. Again, this all comes back to PG never thinking before he speaks.

He might be just fishing for headlines and content. Make a controversial statement and sound tone def, but its actually just an ad and promotion for his podcast on some, "Tune in where we'll get into the controversy of me saying McCain shouldn't be the best player on the team". Come to think of it, The Wall and ClipperNation booing him on his return game at Intuit gave him a good bag of content for his podcast. Got to diss Clipper fans and say our attendance is low. Basically anything good or bad that will happen to the Sixers will be used as content for his podcast.
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Post#73 » by Ballings7 » Sun Nov 24, 2024 5:35 pm

Clemenza wrote:Tired of seeing this sh*t on my Twitter timeline. Its either Kuzma or Lavine every time. Personally I'm enjoying the progression of Coffey, KPJ, and Miller. A trade like this does open up some roster spots though.

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For Kuzma, I'm all in, dig his versatile game and size at forward, and rebounding.. but next thing would be to definitely get a draft pick or two in the next couple seasons somehow..

Harden
Dunn
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Zubac

Plus the bench mob with guys who can spot start and finish? Thats a really good team again.. even without Kawhi, its a definite step up..

Harden
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LaVine? I'd be questionable at best on, and pretty "meh"... contract is not worth where is at and I think he doesn't seem to have a consistently balanced game on either end of the floor, especially defensively. Just from what I've seen and heard about him, I may be off on that. He is shooting well this year though, so far.

I think LaVine needs to be a 3rd or maybe 2nd option at most on a playoff team, and not anything more than that at this point and I don't think he can accept that yet.

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Post#74 » by MartinToVaught » Sun Nov 24, 2024 8:13 pm

A decent chunk of our fanbase is no better than our front office when it comes to chasing "names" vs. building a team. Trading any more draft picks would also be moronic even by Frank's low standards.

Besides Tucker, the only player we should be looking to trade right now is the $150 million albatross.
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Post#75 » by madmaxmedia » Mon Nov 25, 2024 1:41 am

MartinToVaught wrote:We'll have to agree to disagree, but PG should have just stopped at "he knows he belongs and plays like it." Everything he says after that undermines the compliments. Again, this all comes back to PG never thinking before he speaks.


He should have stopped before turning on the mic. :lol:
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Post#76 » by madmaxmedia » Mon Nov 25, 2024 1:45 am

Ballings7 wrote:
Clemenza wrote:Tired of seeing this sh*t on my Twitter timeline. Its either Kuzma or Lavine every time. Personally I'm enjoying the progression of Coffey, KPJ, and Miller. A trade like this does open up some roster spots though.

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For Kuzma, I'm all in, dig his versatile game and size at forward, and rebounding.. but next thing would be to definitely get a draft pick or two in the next couple seasons somehow..

Harden
Dunn
Kawhi
Kuzma
Zubac

Plus the bench mob with guys who can spot start and finish? Thats a really good team again.. even without Kawhi, its a definite step up..

Harden
Dunn/Powell
DJJ
Kuzma
Zubac

LaVine? I'd be questionable at best on, and pretty "meh"... contract is not worth where is at and I think he doesn't seem to have a consistently balanced game on either end of the floor, especially defensively. Just from what I've seen and heard about him, I may be off on that. He is shooting well this year though, so far.

I think LaVine needs to be a 3rd or maybe 2nd option at most on a playoff team, and not anything more than that at this point and I don't think he can accept that yet.

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I guess I'd have to wait and see how he'd fit, but I'd be skeptical of the fit over the season and next.


The interesting thought question is, should we take into consideration our race with Houston this year in terms of evaluating trades this year? Also, we absolutely cannot do Nico dirty like that another time...
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Post#77 » by og15 » Mon Nov 25, 2024 2:09 am

Lol @ Lavine.

Kuzma isn't good enough for the Clippers to be getting rid of draft picks for him. The Clippers aren't a team in the position to be trading draft picks in general. Draft pick can be traded if you're getting like a superstar in his early to mid 20's, but that's not happening, sooo....

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MartinToVaught wrote:Doesn't sound that way. He makes it sound like it's shameful for McCain to be the Sixers' best player right now, a problem that needs to be fixed. A good teammate would be happy that McCain is stepping up. There's a way to say the rest of the team meeds to step up without putting McCain in his place because he's not a big name or "supposed to" be good.

Like always, PG is incapable of thinking before he speaks and creates even more drama for his team.

Yea, but he didn't say "he can't be good" or he's not supposed to be good, he said can't be the MOST consistent, that's a very important part. If you're a 2-12 or whatever their record was at the time team, and your rookie is playing very well, AND your most consistent player, then yes, he really can't be, because that's a sign that everyone else is not matching even that level of consistent production.

The Sixers aim is a championship, or at least a deep playoff run (I think??), if a rookie is your most consistent player, not that your rookie is as consistent as your stars, but MOST consistent in that everyone else is lagging, then you're not any sort of high level team. McCain has been great over their last 8 games (25/3/4 on 49/46/93), and the Sixers are 2-6, why? Because he's been the most consistent player and no one else is matching.

If Chet was more consistent than SGA last season (and Chet was technically a second year guy like Blake as he had the NBA development for a year already), and he was pretty consistent, but the Thunder would not have been the team they were.

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“Jared’s been awesome, he just plays with such a swag. He knows he belongs, it don’t matter who’s on the floor, he knows he belongs and he plays like it. To be quite frank, he’s been our most consistent player on the team so far. He should be a candidate. We definitely got to step our s*** up. He can’t be our most consistent player. We all gotta step our s*** up and match that energy. He’s got a great future.”


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Yea, it is very positive to McCain. PG is an easy guy to go after because he's aloof, because he talks a lot due to the podcast, so there will be stuff to quote, and because he seems to be oblivious to perception of certain things. In this case, this is not a negative comment in any way about McCain, unless people simply want to find a way to make it so because, well it is PG and I don't like him anyways.

The issue I would have with his comment, and I know this is just him saying it in passing, and the we might also be because Reggie Jackson a teammate is also in the conversation, but because of his poor play too, PG should be saying, "I", not "we". The rest of the made up supposed outrage is just the regular social media, people won't read past the one line, don't care for any context and will look to misunderstand or portray things in a certain way regardless, if they already don't like the person.

I listen to Philly's WIP sportstalk on and off all day. Absolutely zero splashback about PG's comment here. Everyone knew what he meant. In fact the city has totally given up on the Sixers and have completely turned against Embiid. He sat out AGAIN last night. It was unthinkable to trade him just a month ago now but everybody's ready to start over. The Process is dead.

Oh, okay, yea, if they aren't interpreting it that way, then that's basically all we need to know.
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Re: The Clipper General Board w/Random Thoughts, Youth Development, Ex Clippers Shinin', etc. Extravaganza 

Post#78 » by esqtvd » Mon Nov 25, 2024 4:52 am

og15 wrote:Lol @ Lavine.

Kuzma isn't good enough hot the Clippers to be getting rid of draft picks for him. The Clippers aren't a team in the position to be trading draft picks in general. Draft pick can be traded if you're getting like a superstar in his early to mid 20's, but that's not happening, sooo....

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og15 wrote:Yea, but he didn't say "he can't be good" or he's not supposed to be good, he said can't be the MOST consistent, that's a very important part. If you're a 2-12 or whatever their record was at the time team, and your rookie is playing very well, AND your most consistent player, then yes, he really can't be, because that's a sign that everyone else is not matching even that level of consistent production.

The Sixers aim is a championship, or at least a deep playoff run (I think??), if a rookie is your most consistent player, not that your rookie is as consistent as your stars, but MOST consistent in that everyone else is lagging, then you're not any sort of high level team. McCain has been great over their last 8 games (25/3/4 on 49/46/93), and the Sixers are 2-6, why? Because he's been the most consistent player and no one else is matching.

If Chet was more consistent than SGA last season (and Chet was technically a second year guy like Blake as he had the NBA development for a year already), and he was pretty consistent, but the Thunder would not have been the team they were.

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Yea, it is very positive to McCain. PG is an easy guy to go after because he's aloof, because he talks a lot due to the podcast, so there will be stuff to quote, and because he seems to be oblivious to perception of certain things. In this case, this is not a negative comment in any way about McCain, unless people simply want to find a way to make it so because, well it is PG and I don't like him anyways.

The issue I would have with his comment, and I know this is just him saying it in passing, and the we might also be because Reggie Jackson a teammate is also in the conversation, but because of his poor play too, PG should be saying, "I", not "we". The rest of the made up supposed outrage is just the regular social media, people won't read past the one line, don't care for any context and will look to misunderstand or portray things in a certain way regardless, if they already don't like the person.


I listen to Philly's WIP sportstalk on and off all day. Absolutely zero splashback about PG's comment here. Everyone knew what he meant. In fact the city has totally given up on the Sixers and have completely turned against Embiid. He sat out AGAIN last night. It was unthinkable to trade him just a month ago now but everybody's ready to start over. The Process is dead.


Oh, okay, yea, if they aren't interpreting it that way, then that's basically all we need to know.


So far in Philly, PG was never there. That's why they're not upset at his podcast. Embiid-PG-Maxey have played under 10 minutes together. Nick Nurse might still make something out of it, but anybody who was saying Ty should be fired and NN should be hired owes us all an apology.
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Post#79 » by Clemenza » Mon Nov 25, 2024 5:21 pm

Excellent!! (*in Mr. Burns voice*)
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Post#80 » by Ballings7 » Tue Nov 26, 2024 1:21 am

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Clemenza wrote:Tired of seeing this sh*t on my Twitter timeline. Its either Kuzma or Lavine every time. Personally I'm enjoying the progression of Coffey, KPJ, and Miller. A trade like this does open up some roster spots though.

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For Kuzma, I'm all in, dig his versatile game and size at forward, and rebounding.. but next thing would be to definitely get a draft pick or two in the next couple seasons somehow..

Harden
Dunn
Kawhi
Kuzma
Zubac

Plus the bench mob with guys who can spot start and finish? Thats a really good team again.. even without Kawhi, its a definite step up..

Harden
Dunn/Powell
DJJ
Kuzma
Zubac

LaVine? I'd be questionable at best on, and pretty "meh"... contract is not worth where is at and I think he doesn't seem to have a consistently balanced game on either end of the floor, especially defensively. Just from what I've seen and heard about him, I may be off on that. He is shooting well this year though, so far.

I think LaVine needs to be a 3rd or maybe 2nd option at most on a playoff team, and not anything more than that at this point and I don't think he can accept that yet.

Zach LaVine8
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200 lbs
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$43,031,940

I guess I'd have to wait and see how he'd fit, but I'd be skeptical of the fit over the season and next.


The interesting thought question is, should we take into consideration our race with Houston this year in terms of evaluating trades this year? Also, we absolutely cannot do Nico dirty like that another time...


I agree about Batum.. good point. I think he not being in the deal wouldn't be a deal breaker, though.

I also don't think that deal would be enough to get Kuzma, anyway. Mainly in terms of the players involved.
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