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Re: RD 1 GAME 7: LAC (3-3) @ DEN (3-3)—SAT 5/3 4:30 PM, TNT 

Post#61 » by TheNewEra » Sun May 4, 2025 3:39 am

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TheNewEra wrote:not even mad at this outcome it’s time to move on

Zu and Kawhi are the only ones with any trade value to the rest of the league, and Zu had a career year. The rest are everybody else's rejects.

I have no idea what everyone expected. Ballmer wanted to open the Ballmerdome with a splash and he did. We can back up the truck but there's nothing to put in it.

I had a helluva time this year. Sorry to go out like this, but it's hard to say THESE aren't the real Clippers.


I think Orlando would be desperate enough to get our guards
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Post#62 » by Ballings7 » Sun May 4, 2025 3:48 am

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esqtvd wrote:
TheNewEra wrote:not even mad at this outcome it’s time to move on

Zu and Kawhi are the only ones with any trade value to the rest of the league, and Zu had a career year. The rest are everybody else's rejects.

I have no idea what everyone expected. Ballmer wanted to open the Ballmerdome with a splash and he did. We can back up the truck but there's nothing to put in it.

I had a helluva time this year. Sorry to go out like this, but it's hard to say THESE aren't the real Clippers.


I think Orlando would be desperate enough to get our guards


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Orlando and Chicago are teams I think would be good trade partners.
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Re: RD 1 GAME 7: LAC (3-3) @ DEN (3-3)—SAT 5/3 4:30 PM, TNT 

Post#63 » by nickhx2 » Sun May 4, 2025 5:59 am

overall "good" season, all things considered. i'd say we exceeded expectations but i think any clipper fan pretty much knew the deal: we had a formidable team all along that just needed a couple things to go our way.

one thing really went our way, which was that kawhi that got healthy and stayed healthy. another was zubac's improvement, which was a huge difference. lastly, the supporting cast also showed us that this whole thing could work.

but unfortunately, the sum of it wasn't enough. and i don't think anything's there to really build upon without major change. if we ran it back, we'd need zu to turn into a legit mvp candidate. we'd need james harden to come back in the greatest conditioning of his life, while dropping a good 15 pounds. jones jr to become shawn marion-lite.

and these are a bunch of things that just seem super unlikely. as such, i would be very surprised if the team doesn't look at this and simply go "yeah, we're kind of capped out, despite our best efforts, and it's time for a different kind of team."

it'll make for a curious offseason.
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Re: RD 1 GAME 7: LAC (3-3) @ DEN (3-3)—SAT 5/3 4:30 PM, TNT 

Post#64 » by wco81 » Sun May 4, 2025 7:03 am

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KL2 wrote:Spot on.

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This was always the strategy. Winning 50 games and a decent showing in the playoffs for the opening of the Ballmerdome was the absolute ceiling. Did anyone think otherwise?



Looks like the Clippers FRP, which they owed OKC, will be #24. Better that than a lottery pick

Seems like the fans enjoyed the new stadium.

I know that Ballmer is touting how going for payroll flexibility was the right decision because the Second Apron rules were just too punitive.

But that's a strange flex coming from the richest owner in the league, maybe in all of sports, if you're not counting the sovereign wealth funds which own some soccer teams in Europe.

Imagine if he owned the Celtics right now. They're going for a repeat title and next season, they'd be well into the Second Apron. He has the financial resources to pay the $450 or 500 million payroll for next season, to go for a three peat.

Would he do it?


In any event, for the Clippers they may have a better chance trying to rebuild rather than keep the core of Harden, Kawhi and Zubac, keep trying for the next couple of seasons.

Ballmer's wealth allows the team to pursue either path.

Just a question of whether he becomes impatient.
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Re: RD 1 GAME 7: LAC (3-3) @ DEN (3-3)—SAT 5/3 4:30 PM, TNT 

Post#65 » by og15 » Sun May 4, 2025 10:32 am

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og15 wrote:Well, this has been an embarrassment

Coaching change is nice and all, but what's the goal for this team? Coaching change is just putting a bandaid on the situation as the real issue is a roster that isn't strong enough.


Change in approach. Change in philosophy.

It doesn’t fix all the problems. But Ballmer has stood firm in wanting to put a competitive team out there. He’s not interested in a rebuild like many want here.

If we’ve gone as far as we can with this roster the same can be said for the coach too.

I don't mean that as in I'm against a coaching change. I mean it as in, if the biggest change is a coaching change, it's fools gold, they certainly need to do more than that even if they can't actually get a dominant team.
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Re: RD 1 GAME 7: LAC (3-3) @ DEN (3-3)—SAT 5/3 4:30 PM, TNT 

Post#66 » by MartinToVaught » Sun May 4, 2025 1:11 pm

wco81 wrote:I know that Ballmer is touting how going for payroll flexibility was the right decision because the Second Apron rules were just too punitive.

They aren't punitive for Ballmer financially. They're punitive for the front office's ability to build a roster due to all the restrictions on trades, signings, and draft picks you incur by staying over the apron too long. It would only ever be worth dealing with this for a dynasty in its prime - not the oldest team in the league, who can't even win a playoff series anymore.

It's also hard to criticize the Clippers for letting PG walk when we all saw how much of a disaster he was this season in Philly.
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Post Mortem -- Game 7 and 2024-5 

Post#67 » by TrueLAfan » Sun May 4, 2025 1:16 pm

Yes, I hated Game 7. Yes, Harden messed it up (again). Yes, we looked listless. But this season was, for me, pretty awesome. Didn’t think we’d be doing anything. Denver played their a$$es off and we went 7 with them. (They’ve got a puncher’s chance against the Thunder too.) If you start out with minimal expectations, even moderate success is a win. Even though I didn’t like the ending, I enjoyed the 2024-5 season.

I agree that a coaching change is almost certainly not a game changer or needle mover. We got a lot out of our players this year and won 50 games. You may not like the last 48 minutes, but Lue did (a lot) of good things this year even if they aren’t loud or shouty. And please don’t ask for “proof” or examples … just look at our lineup on Nov. 1. We won 50 games.

The big number for me is 85. What is 85? It’s the amount in millions we’ll have in contracts after next season. Kawhi, Zu, DJJ, couple of rookies. We are (slowly) coming out of the PG trade eclipse. Enough to have some flexibility and sign some FAs and make more significant changes. I kinda think another season like this one will be good enough for management; I think they’ll wait for 85. But maybe not. Depends on how much and if we want to accelerate the change, and what we can in the draft and get with the MLE this off season.

The player that has some value is Harden. But not much value, especially after his game 7. Good regular season performer, played 79 games last year. As an expiring deal, it’s conceivable we could get something for him. But I think we're just as likely to keep and let him or try to resign him cheap after next year.
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Post#68 » by Clemenza » Sun May 4, 2025 1:48 pm

Even if we somehow got past Denver our bench was cooked. Once Dunn got benched in game 6 his confidence was completely shot. Ben Simmons was supposed to relieve Zu and play small ball center and/or relieve Harden and run some point. He wouldn't turn and face the basket at center and wouldn't shoot from the perimeter= unplayable and benched. Bogdan wasn't happening. We knew this right after we acquired him. Coffey shelved. Patty Mills and Eubanks we're brought in to wave towels and be cheerleaders. And of course Lue wasn't playing Kobe, Miller, and Cam Christie... and if you ask me they should've got a look. We couldn't run a 6-7 man rotation against OKC who will throw 10-12 guys at us all game long. It was a wrap.
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Post#69 » by wco81 » Sun May 4, 2025 1:59 pm

MartinToVaught wrote:
wco81 wrote:I know that Ballmer is touting how going for payroll flexibility was the right decision because the Second Apron rules were just too punitive.

They aren't punitive for Ballmer financially. They're punitive for the front office's ability to build a roster due to all the restrictions on trades, signings, and draft picks you incur by staying over the apron too long. It would only ever be worth dealing with this for a dynasty in its prime - not the oldest team in the league, who can't even win a playoff series anymore.

It's also hard to criticize the Clippers for letting PG walk when we all saw how much of a disaster he was this season in Philly.


PG had a poor, injury-riddled season.

But last season, he was all- NBA level. That is why 76ers gave him a big contract.

Looking at next season, what kind of players could the Clippers add to take more of the scoring load from
KL and Harden?

Can they add an MLE or higher salary player? Will the player they could sign be a #3 in the playoffs next season?

More importantly, would the players they could add be better than the 2023-24 PG? I will concede that PG may never be that player again. Either he’s fallen off a cliff, never to regain 2023-24 form, or he’s going to have a strong bounce back next season.

Clippers had a season well above what most expected of them. Some prognosticators said before the start of the playoffs that Clippers could not only mak the WCF but give OKC a challenge. Now can they add better role players?
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Re: Post Mortem -- Game 7 and 2024-5 

Post#70 » by Clemenza » Sun May 4, 2025 2:04 pm

TrueLAfan wrote:Yes, I hated Game 7. Yes, Harden, messed it up (again). Yes, we looked listless. But this season was, for me., pretty awesome. Didn’t think we’d be doing anything. Denver played their a$$es off and we went 7 with them. (They’ve got a puncher’s chance against the Thunder too.) If you start out with minimal expectations, even moderate success is a win. Even though I didn’t like the ending, I enjoyed the 2024-5 season.

I agree that a coaching change is almost certainly not a game changer or needle mover. We got a lot out of our players this year and won 50 games. You may not like the last 48 minutes, but Lue did (a lot) of good things this year even if they aren’t loud or shouty. And please don’t ask for “proof” or examples … just look at our lineup on Nov. 1. We won 50 games.

The big number for me is 85. What is 85? It’s the amount in millions we’ll have in contracts after next season. Kawhi, Zu, DJJ, couple of rookies. We are (slowly) coming out of the PG trade eclipse. Enough to have some flexibility and sign some FAs and make more significant changes. I kinda think another season like this one will be good enough for management; I think they’ll wait for 85. But maybe not. Depends on how much and if we want to accelerate the change, and what we can in the draft and get with the MLE this off season.

The player that has some value is Harden. But not much value, especially after his game 7. Good regular season performer, played 79 games last year. As an expiring deal, it’s conceivable we could get something for him. But I think we're just as likely to keep and let him or try to resign him cheap after next year.

If it's not Giannis then there's nobody out there to save us bro. That name chasing is what got us in the mess that were currently in. Although not really a mess as we're still a 50 win team. But that open cap space talk scares me when it comes to our front office. In my mind we'll be ready to throw $50 million a year to a guy that doesn't move the needle in wins, team chemistry, nor the box office. If Golden State doesn't pull off this series with Houston then this old guard of stars are pretty much done. And these new kids don't really want to be stars. I don't know what magical player will emerge for us when we have cap space but starting to believe it'll be nobody. The new way of team building now seems to be the OKC, Detroit, Houston, Orlando, Minnesota, etc. model of 3-4 solid vets/aging stars surrounded by young athletic kids that are either role players or potential future stars. We have the veteran aging star core for the next year or so, what we do next is going to mean everything going forward.
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Re: RD 1 GAME 7: LAC (3-3) @ DEN (3-3)—SAT 5/3 4:30 PM, TNT 

Post#71 » by Clemenza » Sun May 4, 2025 2:09 pm

wco81 wrote:
MartinToVaught wrote:
wco81 wrote:I know that Ballmer is touting how going for payroll flexibility was the right decision because the Second Apron rules were just too punitive.

They aren't punitive for Ballmer financially. They're punitive for the front office's ability to build a roster due to all the restrictions on trades, signings, and draft picks you incur by staying over the apron too long. It would only ever be worth dealing with this for a dynasty in its prime - not the oldest team in the league, who can't even win a playoff series anymore.

It's also hard to criticize the Clippers for letting PG walk when we all saw how much of a disaster he was this season in Philly.


PG had a poor, injury-riddled season.

But last season, he was all- NBA level. That is why 76ers gave him a big contract.

Looking at next season, what kind of players could the Clippers add to take more of the scoring load from
KL and Harden?

Can they add an MLE or higher salary player? Will the player they could sign be a #3 in the playoffs next season?

More importantly, would the players they could add be better than the 2023-24 PG? I will concede that PG may never be that player again. Either he’s fallen off a cliff, never to regain 2023-24 form, or he’s going to have a strong bounce back next season.

Clippers had a season well above what most expected of them. Some prognosticators said before the start of the playoffs that Clippers could not only mak the WCF but give OKC a challenge. Now can they add better role players?

Forget about us, what are you guys going to do if you don't beat Houston tonight? Kerr still has his anti-bigman philosophy, Kuminga has to go, Curry and Draymond way up in age, and $60 million a season to Jimmy Butler? Man I thought you guys were set for life and really "light years ahead" having Curry, Klay, Dray, and then being able to draft WIseman, Moody, and Kuminga. Get that win tonight!
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Post#72 » by Captain Ballmer » Sun May 4, 2025 2:16 pm

This game was starting at 2.30 am in my timezone and I was planning to get up middle on my sleep to watch it, then I saw the ending of game 6 win live like last 6 minutes or so. I knew this team will be a no show for game 7 and skipped this game.

I knew them very well, they all thought they did very well with taking this to game 7, contend with this. They all played their game, make it a series and keep homecourt win. They find their comfort zone amd settled in. Ending of that game 6 was it.

This team needs hungry players. Love Batum, ok with rooks. Hoping this summer will be a sellers market so we can get opportunistic with the rest of vets. They are good ball players but none of them leaders. Just with huge belly.
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Re: Post Mortem -- Game 7 and 2024-5 

Post#73 » by MartinToVaught » Sun May 4, 2025 2:25 pm

TrueLAfan wrote:We got a lot out of our players this year and won 50 games. You may not like the last 48 minutes, but Lue did (a lot) of good things this year even if they aren’t loud or shouty. And please don’t ask for “proof” or examples … just look at our lineup on Nov. 1. We won 50 games.

We won 50 games because Norm played way above his level in the first half and Kawhi stayed healthy in the second half. Lue did nothing of note and was just along for the ride. He then got pantsed in the playoffs by an interim coach who had only been in the job for a couple weeks.

The best coaching we saw all year was when Lue was out and Shaw was coaching the games in his place. Lue has set the bar so low that, just by doing something as obvious as benching players who weren't playing well that night, Shaw looked like Red Auerbach compared to him. Keep in mind, Shaw himself was a failed coach in Denver, so that makes Lue look even worse.

A coaching change wouldn't solve all our problems, but coaching is one of our problems and Lue isn't the solution.
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Post#74 » by Clemenza » Sun May 4, 2025 2:36 pm

Yes sir, a Lawrence Frank and Ty Lue masterclass!!

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Post#75 » by donemilio21 » Sun May 4, 2025 3:10 pm

Highest paid coach in the league came out blamed the first round exit on Kawhi missing 45 games during the season.
When are we gonna be done with doc rivers excuses and this clown ****. ?
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Post#76 » by TrueLAfan » Sun May 4, 2025 4:34 pm

In terms of court production, Powell 2025 looks/looked almost exactly the same as … Powell 2023. And Powell 2021. Which were (very) slightly better than Powell 2020 and 2022. I mean, in terms of on-court play, Powell didn’t step up as much as play more every game. It’s great that he maintained his productivity, and I totally get his “addition by subtraction” comment about PG … But, no. He wasn’t the main driver of our exceeding expectations. He was a part of it … like Harden playing 79 games and finishing 5th in the league in minutes played. And Zu having a career year. Those things don’t happen in a vacuum and they matter less looked at separately. Lue’s work with the team—and that means working with Van Gundy as well, which I think was a big plus, was a factor. I’m always leery of people that blame coaches because of “what they see.” Coaches see more and know more about players than we ever will, and sometimes take the heat for their players. Lue is a good coach … good enough so replacing him is unlikely to help in any real or meaningful way, and is—at least—as likely to hurt us, IMO.

I’m not sure what we should do in the offseason. An offensively productive big would be a huge deal. I just don’t know what we can get for the MLE. Santi Aldama is pretty out of reach. Maybe take a flyer on Yabusele? He played well this year--but it was on a crap team. Boucher? Will Portis maybe want to move? Is John Collins out of reach?

My guess/feeling is that the plan will be to modify the supporting pieces some. Coffey and Simmons are FAs; I suspect we’ll try to keep Coffey. Among our young players, I think Cam Christie is the biggest hope; I think it’ll be a dogfight for one team position between Flowers, Baldwin and Lundy. I don’t see a lot of plus movement from Kobe Brown; maybe a bit more from Jordan Miller, but not much. Thing is, the ceiling for most of those guys is Amir Coffey. The problem is a) we’ve already got an Amir Coffey-level player named … Amir Coffey. And, b) it’s very much a crapshoot if they even get to that level. A grade B Amir Coffey is not going to help us.

A player I continue to want—even though he didn’t play a minute last year—is Saddiq Bey. The Wizards chose to keep him out because why the f$%& not when you’re the worst team in the league. He can play some small ball 4. He’s tough as nails. Smart player. I’d dangle a couple of our newer 2nd round picks and someone like Jordan Miller and/or maybe Eubanks to get him.

But, yeah, lot of questions. Still, like I said, I still enjoyed the year.
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Post#77 » by jengmann3 » Sun May 4, 2025 5:21 pm

Lost to the higher seed with the best player in the world in 7. Not too bad, but still a bit disappointed. Giannis, Luka, maybe even Steph will all probably be out in the first round. It happens. But I could understand either philosophy, blow up vs tweak. I don't think Kawhi playing 60 will make them the number 1 seed or have a higher upside than Minnesota or Okc. I will say the league is pretty talented. Out of the 8 remaining playoff teams, I think Den, Bos, Cleveland, New York, have better starting 5s. I think Minn and OKC are probably debatable. So from that perspective what can the team do. I still think John Collins and Collin Sexton would've been fun. Norm may just be a perfect 6th man, respectfully. Like is Norman Powell better than CJ Mccollum? Harden may need a secondary ball handler so he can be more aggressive. Kawhi is probably tough to trade. Unless weird stuff happens tbh. I always thought Atlanta was a trade partner that made sense. Similarly Toronto will kinda always make sense. In the west, if Houston finds a way to lose they make sense.
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Post#78 » by Quake Griffin » Sun May 4, 2025 5:47 pm

6 years since we bent over for Kawhi and traded the farm for Paul George....

And we are left with, "w-w-w-w-what did you think Ballmer was gonna do opening up his new stadium?"

I guess we did get our first WCF trip out of it.

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Post#79 » by Ballings7 » Sun May 4, 2025 5:51 pm

TrueLAfan wrote:In terms of court production, Powell 2025 looks/looked almost exactly the same as … Powell 2023. And Powell 2021. Which were (very) slightly better than Powell 2020 and 2022. I mean, in terms of on-court play, Powell didn’t step up as much as play more every game. It’s great that he maintained his productivity, and I totally get his “addition by subtraction” comment about PG … But, no. He wasn’t the main driver of our exceeding expectations. He was a part of it … like Harden playing 79 games and finishing 5th in the league in minutes played. And Zu having a career year. Those things don’t happen in a vacuum and they matter less looked at separately. Lue’s work with the team—and that means working with Van Gundy as well, which I think was a big plus, was a factor. I’m always leery of people that blame coaches because of “what they see.” Coaches see more and know more about players than we ever will, and sometimes take the heat for their players. Lue is a good coach … good enough so replacing him is unlikely to help in any real or meaningful way, and is—at least—as likely to hurt us, IMO.

I’m not sure what we should do in the offseason. An offensively productive big would be a huge deal. I just don’t know what we can get for the MLE. Santi Aldama is pretty out of reach. Maybe take a flyer on Yabusele? He played well this year--but it was on a crap team. Boucher? Will Portis maybe want to move? Is John Collins out of reach?

My guess/feeling is that the plan will be to modify the supporting pieces some. Coffey and Simmons are FAs; I suspect we’ll try to keep Coffey. Among our young players, I think Cam Christie is the biggest hope; I think it’ll be a dogfight for one team position between Flowers, Baldwin and Lundy. I don’t see a lot of plus movement from Kobe Brown; maybe a bit more from Jordan Miller, but not much. Thing is, the ceiling for most of those guys is Amir Coffey. The problem is a) we’ve already got an Amir Coffey-level player named … Amir Coffey. And, b) it’s very much a crapshoot if they even get to that level. A grade B Amir Coffey is not going to help us.

A player I continue to want—even though he didn’t play a minute last year—is Saddiq Bey. The Wizards chose to keep him out because why the f$%& not when you’re the worst team in the league. He can play some small ball 4. He’s tough as nails. Smart player. I’d dangle a couple of our newer 2nd round picks and someone like Jordan Miller and/or maybe Eubanks to get him.

But, yeah, lot of questions. Still, like I said, I still enjoyed the year.


It was a hell of a season, and fun. The team had an identity, and showed they can be a top-tier team. Better than I thought it'd be, and I was on the mid-40s wins train. Everyone got proven wrong.

Yabusele: Wanted him last offseason, and still want him now. When the Sixers were semi-whole or whole, he was productive. He should be brought in as the starting 4 next to Zubac. Kawhi goes back to primary SF.

Would love Portis here.

Bey, I'd definitely be interested in at this point.. would bring shooting, defense and size at 3/4.

Bottom line, team still needs some more decent, true size/length at PF/C around Zubac that play on both ends, and help for Kawhi/Harden at lead guard offensively. Would not mind at all Collin Sexton coming in.
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Post#80 » by MartinToVaught » Sun May 4, 2025 6:00 pm

Quake Griffin wrote:6 years since we bent over for Kawhi and traded the farm for Paul George....

And we are left with, "w-w-w-w-what did you think Ballmer was gonna do opening up his new stadium?"

Even if we buy into that argument, the 5th seed and a first-round exit wasn't some big "splash" that justifies everything. Losing the 4/5 first-round matchup is practically the modal outcome of a Clippers season nowadays.

Intuit and the Wall worked as well as it did because our fanbase is that loyal, passionate and hungry for even the slightest glimmer of success. It had nothing to do with the mediocre product on the court. If our fanbase could generate this much excitement for a treadmill team full of 35-year-olds, imagine what Intuit would be like with a properly-built team and players who are actually in their primes. Sadly, this will never happen as long as Frank and Lue are still employed.
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