Transaction Discussion Part 3 (Trades, Free-Agency, News, Rumors & Ideas)

[Forte IV]

ANOTHER FIRST ROUND PICK GONE?

this is for what?
a year and a half of Jeff Green? Please tell me he's not an FA after the year is out

He is a FA after the year is out.

[QRich3]

He is and I bet he gets close to $20M a year

[Ranma]

Guess not

For future reference, try waiting until things settle down. History has shown that not all deals are announced right at the deadline given the last-minute nature of these transactions and the verification process by the league.

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[Forte IV]

Guess not

For future reference, try waiting until things settle down. History has shown that not all deals are announced right at the deadline given the last-minute nature of these transactions and the verification process by the league.

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The tweet you posted said landscaping. Relax.

[Ranma]

The tweet you posted said landscaping. Relax.

Try the context. The point was there as a trade happening, which wasn't reported anywhere else before ClipCast did. I even mentioned in my post to be wary of how credible it was. Try taking into account what is presented beyond the face value, especially given the circumstances of the situation.

You're the one bustin' my balls over content from other people that I happen to find of interest. If you don't think they are, then by all means, ignore them and my contributions as well.

[TucsonClip]

Im prepared to debate against anyone who thinks Jeff Green is a good SF.

[Quake Griffin]

how is a 1st round pick going out for a rental?

this is mind boggling man.
You just can't make this stuff up.

[TucsonClip]

12.8 PPG, 3.9 RPG, 1.8 APG, eFG% barely at league average and less than 1 3PM per game. Thats his BEST year under Doc, for those saying he had a good year in his system.

Not good enough

[Forte IV]

Im prepared to debate against anyone who thinks Jeff Green is a good SF.

Sadly I don't think there is anyone out here who thinks that.

[Ranma]

It doesn't really matter what Varejao's contract was, the Magic wanted capspace and the Cavs offered it for free, we offered it at a $4.5M price. Their offer beats us no matter how you look at it.

Based on most accounts, the Magic was waiting on us to pull the trigger on the trade. If Doc wanted it to happen, then we'd have had Frye by now. Instead, he went after Jeff Green on the last year of his deal at the price of Stephenson and a protected future first-round pick. Cleveland really wanted Frye and tried to snipe us when Doc had something else he was more interested in.

Orlando would have gotten cap space with our deal too. What exactly is it going to do with $4.5 million left on Stephenson's contract for 2015-16? Yeah, they may have been better off taking Cleveland's deal, anyway, but the Cavs stepped up their efforts when it was pretty much thought Doc had the prerogative of whether to do the deal or not.

Whatever. It doesn't matter now as we ended up giving up that 1st-rounder (protected) for half a season of Jeff Green.

[Quake Griffin]

Doc the GM guys.

He's gotta go…ASAP.
We can't hold on a second longer.

we wont have a franchise left if we continue to wait.

[Wammy Giveaway]

I've had Chris Wylde on my podcast Wammy Radio two years ago as part of my Clipper Season Wrap Up series. He actually received Clipper insider credentials the year Doc Rivers joined the Clippers. They are close to the team, in addition to being members of SB Nation's Clips Nation. So I'll give them some leeway.

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In this trade, the Clippers send Griffin home, make a lottery team a title contender, and make themselves rebuild-bound. Wiggins is a 1st round draft pick, so Doc had to assume the next "best of the best." But it would've taken them years to regain contention footing, and by then, the Warriors would have 3-peated. Good thing this trade never came to pass, nor did it see the light of day.

[Quake Griffin]

Throw in the Staples Center to bring back Courtney Lee guys.

- **** Doc would Do

[QRich3]

It doesn't really matter what Varejao's contract was, the Magic wanted capspace and the Cavs offered it for free, we offered it at a $4.5M price. Their offer beats us no matter how you look at it.

Based on most accounts, the Magic was waiting on us to pull the trigger on the trade. If Doc wanted it to happen, then we'd have had Frye by now. Instead, he went after Jeff Green on the last year of his deal at the price of Stephenson and a protected future first-round pick. Cleveland really wanted Frye and tried to snipe us when Doc had something else he was more interested in.

Orlando would have gotten cap space with our deal two. What exactly is it going to do with $4.5 million left on Stephenson's contract for 2015-16? Yeah, they may have been better off taking Cleveland's deal, anyway, but the Cavs stepped up their efforts when it was pretty much thought Doc the prerogative of whether to do the deal or not.

Whatever. It doesn't matter now as we ended up giving up that 1st-rounder (protected) for half a season of Jeff Green.

?? 4 million dollars is a lot of money, if you get the chance of spending them or not for the same result, the choice is not difficult. I swear down, you guys obsession with Doc makes you use some really dodgy logic to force the narrative.

All relax until we know the protections on the pick, the trade will surely make us better for this year and give Green's bird rights for next season. If it's a heavily protected 1st it's definitely worth the chance, and I'm no Jeff Green fan.

[Wammy Giveaway]

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Doc Rivers drafted Jeff Green in 2007. He would play for Doc Rivers starting in the 2012 lockout season, but Green never played that year due to a season-ending heart surgery (he would in 2012-13 as a UFA). Kevin Durant would dedicate the lockout season to Green, eventually leading to a Finals appearance for the Thunder.

I have a feeling Green may be the key that helps the Clippers get Kevin Durant in the off-season.

[Quake Griffin]

It doesn't really matter what Varejao's contract was, the Magic wanted capspace and the Cavs offered it for free, we offered it at a $4.5M price. Their offer beats us no matter how you look at it.

Based on most accounts, the Magic was waiting on us to pull the trigger on the trade. If Doc wanted it to happen, then we'd have had Frye by now. Instead, he went after Jeff Green on the last year of his deal at the price of Stephenson and a protected future first-round pick. Cleveland really wanted Frye and tried to snipe us when Doc had something else he was more interested in.

Orlando would have gotten cap space with our deal two. What exactly is it going to do with $4.5 million left on Stephenson's contract for 2015-16? Yeah, they may have been better off taking Cleveland's deal, anyway, but the Cavs stepped up their efforts when it was pretty much thought Doc the prerogative of whether to do the deal or not.

Whatever. It doesn't matter now as we ended up giving up that 1st-rounder (protected) for half a season of Jeff Green.

?? 4 million dollars is a lot of money, if you get the chance of spending them or not for the same result, the choice is not difficult. I swear down, you guys obsession with Doc makes you use some really dodgy logic to force the narrative.

All relax until we know the protections on the pick, the trade will surely make us better for this year and give Green's bird rights for next season. If it's a heavily protected 1st it's definitely worth the chance, and I'm no Jeff Green fan.

so we have his Bird rights?

[QRich3]

Yeah, we can re-sign him for as much as we want next year. Bad news is he's probably gonna be overpaid with all this cap room next offseason

[Wammy Giveaway]

Ranma, I asked independent NBA reporter Russ Johnson regarding the supposed hammer drop by LA CLIPCAST. Here's what he told me:

On Jeff Green

The Clippers traded for Jeff Green partially out of Doc River's preference, yes.

On The Trade That Never Was

The Wiggins, Durant, Griffin rumor is 100% false.

So the Griffin-Durant-Wiggins rumor was indeed a false alarm. I still trust Chris and Mike because of their connection to the team (and like I said before, they were invited to be part of the insider team). Most likely, the false trade was a red herring manufactured by the Clippers to buy the team some time while they tried to get Green to L.A.

[Ranma]

?? 4 million dollars is a lot of money, if you get the chance of spending them or not for the same result, the choice is not difficult. I swear down, you guys obsession with Doc makes you use some really dodgy logic to force the narrative.

All relax until we know the protections on the pick, the trade will surely make us better for this year and give Green's bird rights for next season. If it's a heavily protected 1st it's definitely worth the chance, and I'm no Jeff Green fan.

To you and me, $4 million is a lot of money. To a professional NBA franchise, that's a pittance, especially if it doesn't have to pay a luxury tax for it. Money is less of a concern than what can be obtained for the salary space, which is the point. What exactly are the Magic going to do with that space for the rest of the season? Are you seriously going to argue that the Orlando Magic are in such a dire financial position to be that concerned over $4 million? Like I said, from what I've gathered, the onus was on Doc to make the deal. We'll see if subsequent reports will say if that was still the case, but the deal would have been done earlier if Doc was inclined and Orlando was growing impatient. Doesn't sound to me like Orlando was fretting over the financial burden of Lance Stephenson.

Come on. Now you're saying we should relax because Doc again gave up a lottery-protected pick for an impending free agent who is shooting 30.9% from beyond the arc and 43.1% from the field on the season? Yeah, Green is better than anything we have right now but that is not saying much. Doc continues to inefficiently address problems of his own making while you're holding out hope for a heavier protection on the pick. Why do you feel the need to give him the benefit of the doubt when he's done so little to earn it?

Green's Bird rights hold some appeal, but definitely not at the cost of a future first-round pick. You can argue all you want about the draft being a crapshoot but it's a cost-efficient opportunity to add talent to the roster, which Doc continues to discard with little thought.

[nickhx2]

jeff green sucks