Game #42: HAWKS @ Clippers Sunday 1/8 6 PM [NOTE TIME]

Scoundreldays · Post #81 » by **Scoundreldays** » Mon Jan 9, 2023 4:22 am

Cmon are you kidding me another choked lead. This is unbelievable.

ejftw · Post #82 » by **ejftw** » Mon Jan 9, 2023 4:24 am

Morris should've taken that mid range jumper, modern NBA and it's fixation with threes is just atrocious as a product.

Thought Lue should've challenged the fifth foul on Nico as well as had Mann in place of Mook or Norm, preferably the latter.

Props to Big Zu for dominating.

playaloc916 · Post #83 » by **playaloc916** » Mon Jan 9, 2023 4:24 am

Well that sucks

KL2 · Post #84 » by **KL2** » Mon Jan 9, 2023 4:24 am

Changes will be made. No way the FO is watching this and think they just need more time.

Quiet-Dude · Post #85 » by **Quiet-Dude** » Mon Jan 9, 2023 4:25 am

Only good thing about this game is that hopefully force the Clippers to make a trade.

nickhx2 · Post #86 » by **nickhx2** » Mon Jan 9, 2023 4:26 am

tough one to lose. thought we had all the momentum.

i will say the team felt pretty much back to normal, which is obviously huge. the other thing is lue showing he's willing to make some significant lineup adjustments. are they the right ones? i don't know, because i don't know that i like john wall for this team over reggie. or moses brown over covington. but at least we're seeing something new.

i'll say things don't feel as dismal as they did after the minnesota loss.

PeteyPablo · Post #87 » by **PeteyPablo** » Mon Jan 9, 2023 4:27 am

Dallas Mavericks will be in town Tuesday .

LamarWho · Post #88 » by **LamarWho** » Mon Jan 9, 2023 4:27 am

MTV, time to update that sig pic.

Remember they called Ty Lue the Bill Belichick of basketball? :lol:

NickP · Post #89 » by **NickP** » Mon Jan 9, 2023 4:27 am

The only silver lining I see is Mann replacing Reggie in the starting lineup and I hope this is long term. I hope with PG in the lineup and Batum healthy that this team will turn this around.
Reggie and Wall are both disappointing. Give those minutes to Preston.

MartinToVaught · Post #90 » by **MartinToVaught** » Mon Jan 9, 2023 4:27 am

KL2 wrote:Changes will be made. No way the FO is watching this and think they just need more time.

They should be getting ready to trade Kawhi and PG and start over with as many picks as we can get. The window is officially closed on this iteration of the team and trying to tinker around the edges is a waste of our time. See also: the last couple years of Lob City.

nickhx2 · Post #91 » by **nickhx2** » Mon Jan 9, 2023 4:28 am

also, if there was ever a time to trade morris, it's now. he had a decent line, he continues to make obnoxiously tough shots and that's the kind of thing tons of teams would love to have. but it's also a luxury for us on a team where plenty of other guys need more shots, and where we need more defense and rebounding from his position.

ejftw · Post #92 » by **ejftw** » Mon Jan 9, 2023 4:30 am

NickP wrote:The only silver lining I see is Mann replacing Reggie in the starting lineup and I hope this is long term. I hope with PG in the lineup and Batum healthy that this team will turn this around.
Reggie and Wall are both disappointing. Give those minutes to Preston.

Preston is a great story line, but he'd get absolutely abused.

Reggie just needs to take some time off, recover from that fall he took a few games ago, hasn't been the same since that. Just needs to pull a PG and rest instead of trying to give effort when he doesn't have it.

MartinToVaught · Post #93 » by **MartinToVaught** » Mon Jan 9, 2023 4:32 am

PeteyPablo wrote:Dallas Mavericks will be in town Tuesday .

So that'll be seven straight losses, then. Just lovely. :roll:

ejftw · Post #94 » by **ejftw** » Mon Jan 9, 2023 4:32 am

nickhx2 wrote:also, if there was ever a time to trade morris, it's now. he had a decent line, he continues to make obnoxiously tough shots and that's the kind of thing tons of teams would love to have. but it's also a luxury for us on a team where plenty of other guys need more shots, and where we need more defense and rebounding from his position.

He has little to no value, won't bring back anything that helps unless we can coax Philly into splitting up Tobias into the two smaller deals of Morris and RoCo (would also need to include Jay)

But, then, concurrently, is Harris what the Clips need?

I mean, I'd take the gamble, most probably won't

Dynamix · Post #95 » by **Dynamix** » Mon Jan 9, 2023 4:33 am

I think it's time we went to the nuclear option and have MTV finally update his signature. If that won't turn our season around, nothing will.

ejftw · Post #96 » by **ejftw** » Mon Jan 9, 2023 4:35 am

Dynamix wrote:I think it's time we went to the nuclear option and have MTV finally update his signature. If that won't turn our season around, nothing will.

#BringBackDunleavy needs to trend, that'll turn around the year

NickP · Post #97 » by **NickP** » Mon Jan 9, 2023 4:59 am

Dynamix wrote:I think it's time we went to the nuclear option and have MTV finally update his signature. If that won't turn our season around, nothing will.

Maybe MTV is keeping that sig just in case we rehire Doc.

esqtvd · Post #98 » by **esqtvd** » Mon Jan 9, 2023 4:59 am

ejftw wrote:
NickP wrote:The only silver lining I see is Mann replacing Reggie in the starting lineup and I hope this is long term. I hope with PG in the lineup and Batum healthy that this team will turn this around.
Reggie and Wall are both disappointing. Give those minutes to Preston.

Preston is a great story line, but he'd get absolutely abused.

Reggie just needs to take some time off, recover from that fall he took a few games ago, hasn't been the same since that. Just needs to pull a PG and rest instead of trying to give effort when he doesn't have it.

Vulture feast tonight. Let them have their fun I guess.

Reggie has given us everything he's got for the past 2 years while everyone else gets the night off if they got a twinge or a headache.

Ty SHOULD bench Reggie for awhile or limit his minutes--injury load management!--and let the other guys find themselves.

Let Mann and Luke find out if they can play point guard at an NBA level. Let Wall find out too. Maybe he never did. Westbrook never figured it out. All four bring positives to the floor but that doesn't mean you can play the point.

Reggie was our MVP last year. Yes, he's a mess now. The team is a mess now. We're a pickup team every night. There is no system or scheme possible.

We got close tonight against a struggling road team missing their starting center only because Kawhi (and Zubac!) played 38 minutes each.

The rest is noise.
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Wammy Giveaway · Post #99 » by **Wammy Giveaway** » Mon Jan 9, 2023 5:01 am

Guys, we need to talk about Tyronn Lue.

As I was looking for his longest losing streak, I found something very troubling:

2015-16: 27-14 (0.658)
* Took over for coach after Cavaliers fired David Blatt at 30-11 record
* Adjusted for an 82-game season, 54-26
* Required a curse-breaker to get their first title: 3-1 Finals comeback (3-1 comebacks have been done before, just never in Finals)

2016-17: 51-31 (0.622)
* Now full time
* Automatic loss to Warriors by 3-0 lead, granted a free game

2017-18: 50-32 (0.610)
* Automatic loss to Warriors by 3-0 lead, swept

2018-19: 0-6 (winless)
* LeBron James left to Lakers
* Career worst losing streak, 6 games, was fired afterwards

2020-21: 47-25 (0.652)
* Promoted to coach after Doc Rivers parted ways
* Adjusted for an 82-game season, 53-29
* Required a curse-breaker to get their first conference finals: double 2-0 comeback (2-0 comebacks have been done before, just never in back-to-back rounds)
* Eliminated in playoffs by Chris Paul

2021-22: 42-40 (0.512)
* Maximum losing streak was 5 games
* Disqualified from play-in tournament after back-to-back losses versus Wolves and Pelicans

2022-23: 21-21 (0.500)
* Season in progress
* Maximum losing streak is 6 games, tying Cavalier's tenure

Tyronn Lue has a Doc River-esque feel. He starts great, and has a curse-breaking accomplishment, but it's under compromised circumstances, such as being promoted in the middle of a full season season or having to coach a shortened season. Under a full season, his winning record goes down year by year. By the time his record reaches lottery-like levels (under 0.500), Lue is fired.

A point of interest is the Clipper's adjusted winning record. 0.652 in 2020-21 is eerily close to Cavalier's 0.658 in 2015-16. The math I used to figure out the 82-game record was:

(wins divided by total games played) times 82 games

Punching the Clipper's shortened season gave me a fudging record of 53.52. No, really, it's not just me using nice language. The 0.52 is emblematic of the Clipper's split personality disorder. Part of this team wants to win, the other part is scared of winning and has become comfortable with being a cellar-dweller after many years playing under the Donald Sterling era.

The next game is now an ultimatum. If Clippers lose the following game, they will become a lottery team and miss the playoffs altogether. And I could see Lue getting fired.

A firing is also inevitable if a Clipper gets ejected from a game.

LamarWho · Post #100 » by **LamarWho** » Mon Jan 9, 2023 5:10 am

Ty Belichick Lue still got that "PG/Kawhi haven't play together enough" shield. His job is not in jeopardy at all. Our owner is probably still convinced that more time is needed to find the "right combo".