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Denver rejected Melo for Kaman-based deal.

Posted: Sun Oct 3, 2010 8:44 pm
by mkwest
The Nets aren't the only team that Denver said no to when Carmelo Anthony's name came up in trade talks. The Clippers recently offered Chris Kaman in a package and got the same response.

We know what you're thinking. How could the Clippers even be in the discussion, when Anthony has made it known that he will go only to teams he will sign a long-term deal with. The Clips, apparently, made his list, joining the Knicks, Bulls and Nets. Apparently, Anthony's wife, the TV personality, Lala Vazquez, signed off on a move to Hollywood, even if her husband must play for L.A.'s J.V. team.

NY Daily News

Re: Denver rejected Melo for Kaman-based deal.

Posted: Sun Oct 3, 2010 9:05 pm
by JJ LoDuca
"LA's JV team." :roll:

Re: Denver rejected Melo for Kaman-based deal.

Posted: Sun Oct 3, 2010 11:34 pm
by RiversideClips
This is why I think the Clippers will get Melo in the end. LaLa wants 2 b back on T.V. & the Clips have all the ingredients to offer. I think this whole Trade Melo in 4 days, was Denver just testing the market to see what they could get.
Don't be surprised if Melo is wearing Clipper gear opening Nite.

Re: Denver rejected Melo for Kaman-based deal.

Posted: Sun Oct 3, 2010 11:40 pm
by DangerCurtis
I'm not the smartest guy when it comes to basketball trades, but I really don't want to see Kaman + 1 go for Melo. Melo has one season left on his contract, and if Lala's influence on him is really that strong, we can sign next season. Similarly, if we show a tremendous amount of improvement, I think it'll be a no brainer where future free agents should sign.

Re: Denver rejected Melo for Kaman-based deal.

Posted: Mon Oct 4, 2010 12:37 am
by RiversideClips
good point on the above comment; what do the Clips do if we can get a missing piece?
Maybe Kaman will resign w/ us next season?

Re: Denver rejected Melo for Kaman-based deal.

Posted: Mon Oct 4, 2010 4:23 am
by SportsFan215
I say we go all out for Melo. As long as we can keep Gordon, Griffin, and Melo we are set for the forseeable future.

Re: Denver rejected Melo for Kaman-based deal.

Posted: Mon Oct 4, 2010 5:36 am
by PlinkingPanda
DangerCurtis wrote:I'm not the smartest guy when it comes to basketball trades, but I really don't want to see Kaman + 1 go for Melo. Melo has one season left on his contract, and if Lala's influence on him is really that strong, we can sign next season. Similarly, if we show a tremendous amount of improvement, I think it'll be a no brainer where future free agents should sign.


Not only that, but that would leave us with a huge gaping hole at center. I'd rather keep Kaman and have decent players like Butler/Gomes/Aminu than have Melo cover our hole at SF and have a much larger hole at center with only DJ. Centers are much harder to come by, and unless we get someone like Chris Anderson in return I don't see the trade being worth it.

Re: Denver rejected Melo for Kaman-based deal.

Posted: Mon Oct 4, 2010 4:06 pm
by illastrate
Pandam00nium wrote:
DangerCurtis wrote:I'm not the smartest guy when it comes to basketball trades, but I really don't want to see Kaman + 1 go for Melo. Melo has one season left on his contract, and if Lala's influence on him is really that strong, we can sign next season. Similarly, if we show a tremendous amount of improvement, I think it'll be a no brainer where future free agents should sign.


Not only that, but that would leave us with a huge gaping hole at center. I'd rather keep Kaman and have decent players like Butler/Gomes/Aminu than have Melo cover our hole at SF and have a much larger hole at center with only DJ. Centers are much harder to come by, and unless we get someone like Chris Anderson in return I don't see the trade being worth it.


Are you kidding me? If we have the chance to get one of the best pure scorers in the league, it's easily worth giving up Kaman. Don't forget that Melo also avgs 7 boards, only 2 less than Kaman. Plus he's a good passer, improved defender, and one of the best clutch performers in the league. Melo/DJ > Kaman/Gomes.

A lineup of Baron/EJ/Melo/Griffin/DJ would be insane.

Re: Denver rejected Melo for Kaman-based deal.

Posted: Mon Oct 4, 2010 4:55 pm
by mattfish
Yeah, I wouldn't be too worried about losing Kaman. We wouldn't need his offensive production with Melo, and BG can make up for the rebounds and aggressiveness in the post. We just need D.J. to step up his game on defense and we'll be a pretty good team.

Re: Denver rejected Melo for Kaman-based deal.

Posted: Mon Oct 4, 2010 8:30 pm
by ejftw
Pandam00nium wrote:
DangerCurtis wrote:I'm not the smartest guy when it comes to basketball trades, but I really don't want to see Kaman + 1 go for Melo. Melo has one season left on his contract, and if Lala's influence on him is really that strong, we can sign next season. Similarly, if we show a tremendous amount of improvement, I think it'll be a no brainer where future free agents should sign.


Not only that, but that would leave us with a huge gaping hole at center. I'd rather keep Kaman and have decent players like Butler/Gomes/Aminu than have Melo cover our hole at SF and have a much larger hole at center with only DJ. Centers are much harder to come by, and unless we get someone like Chris Anderson in return I don't see the trade being worth it.


I understand not wanting to deal big for small, especially if Melo doesn;t sign onto an extension beforehand, but this is a deal that HAS to be made. Isn't Dampier still a free agent, who knows, might be able to convince him, but even if not, which front court is better?

CE: Kaman | Jordan | Voshkul/Collins
PF: Griffin | Rhino | Cook
SF: Gomes | Butler | Aminu

or

CE: Jordan | Voshkul/Collins | FA
PF: Griffin | Rhino | Cook
SF: Melo | Gomes | Butler (slides down to SG more often)

Re: Denver rejected Melo for Kaman-based deal.

Posted: Mon Oct 4, 2010 9:02 pm
by Lifter
If he signs an extension it's a no-brainer.

Re: Denver rejected Melo for Kaman-based deal.

Posted: Tue Oct 5, 2010 3:45 am
by SportsFan215
I have a feeling that Denver would really want our MIN first, based on their demanding that NYK sends them a future first in any deal.

Re: Denver rejected Melo for Kaman-based deal.

Posted: Tue Oct 5, 2010 7:21 am
by donemilio21
SportsFan215 wrote:I have a feeling that Denver would really want our MIN first, based on their demanding that NYK sends them a future first in any deal.


then you give it to them. we are talking about Carmelo Anthony here. Do you think Minny's first is gonna get us a superstar? draft picks are very overrated IMO. I'd rather trade my picks for proven players then pure potentials. trust me you'd be better off. proven veterans better than young potential stars. look at Boston example. I dont think OKC or portland will win a championship.

Re: Denver rejected Melo for Kaman-based deal.

Posted: Tue Oct 5, 2010 6:52 pm
by madmaxmedia
donemilio21 wrote:
SportsFan215 wrote:I have a feeling that Denver would really want our MIN first, based on their demanding that NYK sends them a future first in any deal.


then you give it to them. we are talking about Carmelo Anthony here. Do you think Minny's first is gonna get us a superstar? draft picks are very overrated IMO. I'd rather trade my picks for proven players then pure potentials. trust me you'd be better off. proven veterans better than young potential stars. look at Boston example. I dont think OKC or portland will win a championship.


+10. The Minny pick may just end up being Al Thornton 2.0 anyway.

And as for Kaman, he is a good center but I can't bear to watch his plodding low-post game slow down what could be a really athletic up-and-down-the-court team. I definitely wouldn't go so far as to call it addition by subtraction, but if we get fair value in a Kaman trade it will improve the overall team despite losing a starting C.

Re: Denver rejected Melo for Kaman-based deal.

Posted: Wed Oct 6, 2010 5:15 pm
by laduane1
going to have to give up players like gordan and griffen.

Re: Denver rejected Melo for Kaman-based deal.

Posted: Wed Oct 6, 2010 5:41 pm
by Det the Threat
laduane1 wrote:going to have to give up players like gordan and griffen.


For a guy being on contract for just one more season and most likely being gone(from Denver) next summer?

I think you've gotta stop dreaming and realise that Melo does not have that kind of value at all, thanks to being in the final year of his contract.

Re: Denver rejected Melo for Kaman-based deal.

Posted: Thu Oct 7, 2010 7:24 am
by mkwest
Nuggets' lack of sacrifice hurting potential Melo trade

The Nuggets continue to aggressively seek trade proposals for Carmelo Anthony, but are finding the market to be limited based on the extensive haul of assets they are trying to get in return, multiple sources told CBSSports.com.


Despite that obstacle, the Nuggets have escalated their efforts to shop other teams' players around the league in an effort to see what assets could be received for them after acquiring them in an Anthony trade. Denver has explored such an avenue for the Clippers' Chris Kaman, the Bulls' Luol Deng, the Nets' Devin Harris and the Bobcats' Gerald Wallace, sources say. After extending center Joakim Noah's contract, however, the Bulls remain a long shot to enter into the Melo equation. The Bobcats continue to be reluctant to trade Wallace unless they're getting Anthony, who wouldn't sign an extension in Charlotte.

Kaman was discussed in a Melo swap about a month ago, sources say, but the discussions died quickly when it became evident that the Nuggets wanted Eric Gordon in addition to one of the most valuable first-round picks in the league -- Minnesota's pick, which is top-10 protected in 2011 and unprotected in '12. Given that they have Nene, the Nuggets didn't value Kaman beyond his contract as a tool to make the deal work under league trade rules; Kaman makes $11.8 million this season and $12.7 million in '11-12. The Clippers, sources say, would favor a deal that does not include Kaman -- particularly since keeping him would enhance Anthony's belief that he would be part of a top-tier team in the West with a core of Kaman, Baron Davis, Blake Griffin and himself. The wild card in that scenario is Anthony's affinity for Los Angeles, which is shared by his wife, actress La La Vasquez.


Ken Berger, CBS Sports

Re: Denver rejected Melo for Kaman-based deal.

Posted: Thu Oct 7, 2010 11:18 pm
by thanumba2clippersfan
I wouldn't really want to trade Gordon but if we did I think we would be OK

Re: Denver rejected Melo for Kaman-based deal.

Posted: Thu Oct 7, 2010 11:23 pm
by Forte IV
Gordon doesn't go.

Re: Denver rejected Melo for Kaman-based deal.

Posted: Fri Oct 8, 2010 10:32 pm
by scoobs07
The Clippers need to go all out and try to get him. He lives
In L.A. so the clippers atleast have a shot and getting the superstar that they need. The clippers have put themselves in a Position where they need to make a trade like this. They need a marketable player just to compete in this economy. Not only is he marketable but he is a homicide 30 point scorer and go to guy. clips should do whatever it takes. Maybe kaman/gordan/amino
For Anthony/Anderson or kaman/gordan/1st for Anthony/afflalo. So if u do the anthony/anderson deal, fans could go see "melo" and "birdman".' sure, maybe they are over paying a little bit but, the Clippers need to do this for the sake of the franchise. Nobody wants to pay money to go see kaman/ gordan. I mean, come on. It's a no brainer, really. They need to make a splash and solidify a franchise player, especially with the league possibaly adding incentives for free agents to resign with their own teams in this next CBA. The clips would still have the minisota's pick to use next year and would have depth at shooting guard still with butler, foye, Warren and blakely.