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Posted: **Thu Jan 20, 2011 1:40 am**

Can't blame Prokorov - Seemed like Denver wanted too much. I'm wondering if Denver will be left with so few options that they might consider the Clippers a bit more, at this point...After all, he DID say he wanted to play in L.A. or N.Y.

Posted: **Thu Jan 20, 2011 1:55 am**

As long as Kaman is the focal point of the deal and it doesn't involve Griffin, DJ, Bledsoe, and EJ i'll be satisfied. The team still has Kaman, Aminu, and draft picks to include which should be more than enough to give to Denver. The cards aren't in their hands since Melo supposedly won't resign with them.

Give them any of our core players and we've become their bitch.

Posted: **Thu Jan 20, 2011 2:13 am**

As long as he signs an extension. But if not this season, we can try a sign and trade for him in the coming offseason.

Posted: **Thu Jan 20, 2011 2:19 am**

PG3 wrote:As long as he signs an extension. But if not this season, we can try a sign and trade for him in the coming offseason.

I only want Melo if he signs an extension and we keep Gordon, Griffin, and DJ

Posted: **Thu Jan 20, 2011 2:36 am**

I don't really care where Melo ends up at this point. I just want the saga to end. Denver has been asking for far too much and I'd hate to see us cave and be the ones to give in to their demands (i.e. cap space, multiple draft picks, young prospects and take back salary).

He does fill a glaring hole for us. We would add a Top-10 or so player to an already impressive young core. Adding him increases the likelihood of being a competitive team and a potential contender. Winning would motivate our key guys to stay when they were due up for new contracts.

The question would be does he fit with the culture of the team? Olshey has tried bring in guys that are humble, hard-working and more selfless. Is Melo any of those things? He has to be hardworking to an extent to be that good, but the only reason you even question it is due to the perception of his immaturity. Does he become the man? If Blake is the man, does Carmelo take a backseat after being the man for 8 years? Maybe these shouldn't be concerns at all and I'm worrying too much. Perhaps, everybody involved just cares about winning and everything else takes care of itself. I originally would have been gung ho on bringing him aboard. Not, I'm having second thoughts.

Posted: **Thu Jan 20, 2011 2:39 am**

Kaman, Aminu + a 1st Rounder or two is a great deal. If Kaman comes back healthy, he either helps or is great trade valu. Aminu playing solid minutes already is show casing what he can become.
I have said since September I think the Clippers are the wildcard in the Carmelo HUNT. Unlike Princess Lebron "Melo" has the gonads to come to Kobe's town & if he really is interested in Championships........... Go Clips!!

Posted: **Thu Jan 20, 2011 2:54 am**

Denver FO vastly overplayed their hand with NJ, I'm not surprised at all that negotiations broke down so abruptly. Classic signs of a narcissistic, overly ambitious newbies trying to make a name for themselves.

That aside, I don't think we should trade for him at all. Either he will go to NY, who will offer denver like nothing now that they have no leverage, or else he walks in the offseason, and then we can try to sign him outright. Denver has no leverage, there wouldn't be a point to offer say kaman, aminu and some picks (plus i bet denver so greedy that they wouldn't even go for that, and instead take the toronto approach and let him walk for nothing)

Posted: **Thu Jan 20, 2011 3:07 am**

Kaman + Aminu + 1 or 2 first rounders = done deal for me.

As long as Melo signs an extension, of course.

Posted: **Thu Jan 20, 2011 3:21 am**

I'm glad that not all of you guys are opposed to this. I just don't think that New York or Chicago could possibly match our offer.

Also, I strongly believe that you have to make bold moves to strengthen your team. I know that Melo needs the ball much of the time, but Blake will get his touches, and a lot of Blake's points come from offensive rebounds/put-backs.

Posted: **Thu Jan 20, 2011 3:37 am**

mkwest wrote:. The question would be does he fit with the culture of the team? Olshey has tried bring in guys that are humble, hard-working and more selfless. Is Melo any of those things? He has to be hardworking to an extent to be that good, but the only reason you even question it is due to the perception of his immaturity. Does he become the man? If Blake is the man, does Carmelo take a backseat after being the man for 8 years? Maybe these shouldn't be concerns at all and I'm worrying too much. Perhaps, everybody involved just cares about winning and everything else takes care of itself. I originally would have been gung ho on bringing him aboard. Not, I'm having second thoughts.

Agreed, Olshey has done a really nice job of bringing in guys with the right mindset and quality character, and in my honest opinion, Carmelo really hasn't showed that during his tenure in the NBA. As well, this whole trade discussion thing surrounding him has been getting really annoying. No doubt, Carmelo will make this team a playoff contender and maybe even an elite team, but at what consequences?

Posted: **Thu Jan 20, 2011 4:12 am**

thanumba2clippersfan wrote:
PG3 wrote:As long as he signs an extension. But if not this season, we can try a sign and trade for him in the coming offseason.

I only want Melo if he signs an extension and we keep Gordon, Griffin, and DJ

+1

Posted: **Thu Jan 20, 2011 6:21 am**

If the Clips can get expiring for Kaman, we can just sign him this offseason, no? Nobody knows how the new CBA is going to look, I'd rather be assured there will be no future problems re-signing Gordon and Griffin than give Carmelo an extension without knowing what the future holds. Aminu is starting to show some real promise also.

Posted: **Thu Jan 20, 2011 8:38 pm**

I also think Melo is a great fit for the Clippers, not only position (SF) but needed skill (scoring). A trade package based around Kaman, picks, and maybe Aminu would be about as good as it gets for us to land an All-Star SF who can really fill it up.

The only possible risk is chemistry. I don't think Melo is immature, but he's not necessarily a rock either. He has been part of some good teams in Denver, and has co-existed with guys like Iverson and Billups. If he can play with Iverson who has the exact same role as him, he can play with our guys. Basically, all we have to do with Melo is defend well, and the offense will practically take care of itself. Keep teams from scoring a lot, and we will win games, period.

As for trading Kaman for an expiring and then going after Melo in FA, why go through all that if the goal is to land Melo? You risk getting nothing back for Kaman, and then Melo signs with New York anyway.

Finally, part of me is torn in that I like to see 'our guys' continue to play and develop together, rather than count on bringing in a star from outside. But realistically Melo is about a good a player we are going to have an opportunity to get, without trading anyone who is a big contributor on the floor right now. Aminu will never be the player Carmelo is, and I prefer DJ as our starting center anyway. Finally, Blake won't have to get 25 and 15 every night and maybe that will reduce chance of injury as well.

If we traded for Melo and DJ were to continue to develop and become a great defensive center, this would be a title contending team IMO (that's a significant if though.

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Posted: **Thu Jan 20, 2011 8:47 pm**

I'm actually starting to agree with some of the other posters here that it would be best to wait this out after the CBA. I just don't want to jeapordize DJ, EJ and especially BG in any way by taking on a huge contract. Thinking into it a little bit more, we just really need a SF who can play good defense and knock down 3's, as well as a more dependable, deeper bench.

Posted: **Thu Jan 20, 2011 9:07 pm**

Leor_77 wrote:I'm actually starting to agree with some of the other posters here that it would be best to wait this out after the CBA. I just don't want to jeapordize DJ, EJ and especially BG in any way by taking on a huge contract. Thinking into it a little bit more, we just really need a SF who can play good defense and knock down 3's, as well as a more dependable, deeper bench.

I think to really improve the team, someone who is a ~18PPG level scorer would be more than enough. Mainly someone who is a good shooter. Too bad Matt Miller (board favorite here for only about 4 years) took his talents to South Beach...

OTOH, also keep in mind that Baron won't be making fat money forever, we could probably retain him for a much lower amount after his contract ends (assuming the chemistry remains good and we want to keep him.) I'm not quite as worried about DJ, as he'll never be a great offfensive center. But yeah, I'm not certain how the salary cap math works out for this. But based on current CBA rules, we can venture into luxury tax territory to retain EJ and Blake if needed (I think Sterling would do this to keep such a group together, assuming they are perennial playoff team, he could raise ticket prices.)

Posted: **Thu Jan 20, 2011 9:11 pm**

Don't you mean Mike Miller madmaxmedia :wink:

Posted: **Thu Jan 20, 2011 9:14 pm**

LOL, you knew who I meant even though I said it wrong!

Posted: **Fri Jan 21, 2011 12:04 am**

SportsFan215 wrote:
thanumba2clippersfan wrote:
PG3 wrote:As long as he signs an extension. But if not this season, we can try a sign and trade for him in the coming offseason.

I only want Melo if he signs an extension and we keep Gordon, Griffin, and DJ

+1

Posted: **Fri Jan 21, 2011 12:24 am**

3 way deal:

LAC Gives: Kaman, Aminu, MN 1st
LAC Gets: Melo

DEN Gives: Melo
DEN Gets: Prince, Aminu, MN 1st, Det 1st

DET Gives: Prince, 1st
DET Gets: Kaman

I think the only hangup would be if DET isn't willing to give up that 1st. Maybe it becomes 2 seconds or we throw a 2nd in. We can't add another 1st since we owe one to OKC.

http://www.realgm.com/src_checktrade.ph ... id=5818706

Posted: **Fri Jan 21, 2011 1:13 am**

I think we have solid chance to add a good SF to this team. Carmelo, Granger, Wallace, Iggy...all available for the right price. All can score, pass and play D. And we have the assets to get it done without touching our core. Aminu, Minny pick, our pick, Kaman.

A chance like this might not come again.

For Carmelo its worth giving 2 draft picks. For other guys I'd keep Minny pick. For Wallace and Iggy I'd keep Aminu as well.

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