Ric Bucher: Clippers and Hornets have been in extensive talk

The Rim Reaper · Post #1 » by **The Rim Reaper** » Wed Nov 30, 2011 6:57 pm

Per Sportscenter. Thoughts? I'm really proud of the team for deciding it wants to be serious about contending! Gordon+package for CP3+Okafor works for me. Both are pretty injury prone and Gordon's heart doesn't seem in LA anyways. Seems he's always wanted to return to Indiana. Chris Paul even at 70 percent is a better player than Gordon and he's only 25... so not a lot older.

scoobs07 · Post #2 » by **scoobs07** » Wed Nov 30, 2011 8:01 pm

Is that what he said? CP3+package for Okafor? I wouldn't really want Okafor, but I guess he does pretty much everything DJ does, only older, less athletic and doesn't have the close relationship with Blake. Well that is a offer I could see the NBA going for though, because EJ is a 25ppg scorer.

Det the Threat · Post #3 » by **Det the Threat** » Wed Nov 30, 2011 8:09 pm

What did he say we're offering?

I really hope it does not include Gordon, if we're shipping that Minny pick, while taking on Okafor's contract as well.

scoobs07 · Post #4 » by **scoobs07** » Wed Nov 30, 2011 8:48 pm

Ima guess he is saying it is EJ + DJ for CP3 + Okafor. I guess I would have to do that trade. Okafor Is expensive but his contract expires in 3 years and he is a consistent 10ppg/10rpg/2bpg center.

Det the Threat · Post #5 » by **Det the Threat** » Wed Nov 30, 2011 8:54 pm

scoobs07 wrote:Ima guess he is saying it is EJ + DJ for CP3 + Okafor. I guess I would have to do that trade. Okafor Is expensive but his contract expires in 3 years and he is a consistent 10ppg/10rpg/2bpg center.

The way I see it is that he(The Rim Reaper) was suggesting that package on his own and didn't state anything Boucher might have told.

It also doesn't really add up financiall, even though we're under the cap, as Okafor and Paul make about $28 - $30 mil, while even a re-signed DJ + Gordon wouldn't make more then say 10 - 12 million or so.

scoobs07 · Post #6 » by **scoobs07** » Wed Nov 30, 2011 9:04 pm

True, other players like maybe Gomes would have to be included. Including Gomes would make absorbing Okafor's contract easier to stomach. I think EJ+Kaman for CP3 makes more sense. It would be interesting to see what kind of SG the Clips go after. Marcus Thornton is like EJ with shorter arms, Aflalo is a good shooter and defender. Jason Richardson could play the 2 and 3 and VC could be signed to a short term deal and the Clips could draft a stud SG with the Minny pick.

DangerCurtis · Post #7 » by **DangerCurtis** » Wed Nov 30, 2011 11:10 pm

Chris Paul would be great to have on the team, but giving up EJ, DJ, and/or Blake for him would be taking a step back. The Clippers have a lot of young assets and a couple of expiring contracts that they could trade for CP3.

Hornets - CP3
Clippers - Kaman, Minny Pick, Foye, Eric Bledsoe, and Aminu

If the Hornets really want to get something for CP3, I think that trade is more than enough to satisfy them. They get two expiring contracts, two young developing players, and a top 10 pick in next year's draft.

I honestly think trading EJ is a seriously bad idea.

While I doubt the Donald would do this, but if you need some quick cash to sign some contracts you can always amnesty Mo.

scoobs07 · Post #8 » by **scoobs07** » Wed Nov 30, 2011 11:22 pm

^Wow, if they could do that they could also swap EJ/DJ for Dwight...

PF-Griffin/Thompkins/Cook
SF-Gomes/Free Agent
C-Howard/Diogu
PG-Paul/Williams
SG-Free Agent/Free Agent/Leslie

Post #9 » by **QRich3** » Wed Nov 30, 2011 11:30 pm

jeez we're gonna get caught up on this 'trade your whole team for a superstar' thing too, aren't we?

I really don't like this, and at this point i'm hoping neither Paul or Howard are willing to sign an extension with us, so we don't have any more options than building a TEAM instead of a couple highlight machines + scrubs to fill up the roster...

Sofia · Post #10 » by **Sofia** » Wed Nov 30, 2011 11:41 pm

I exchanged a few tweets with Eric Pincus yesterday, asking how far off the mark a trade of Min#1, EBled, DJ, Aminu, Kaman exp for CP3 + Okafor's contract was. He said it's probably more than LAC would want to due to Okafor's contract.

The Rim Reaper · Post #11 » by **The Rim Reaper** » Thu Dec 1, 2011 12:00 am

Proposal from NO was Gordon+Minny pick+Bledsoe+Kaman for CP3+Okafor. They were probably testing Olshey and seeing the most they can get. We have such a better offer than any other team that we may even be able to pull Gordon from the deal.

DJ will NOT be going out for anybody besides Dwight. Clippers are big on him and whole point of getting CP3 would be to dump it down to Blake and DJ. Imagine CP3+DJ and Griffin on the break? Or on the lobs? He will turn DJ into a borderline all star.

Canomad · Post #12 » by **Canomad** » Thu Dec 1, 2011 12:03 am

ej heart does seem like its in indiana, and dj seems like his is in houston. if it seems like a forgone conclusion that both go then the clipps need to make a move.

Post #13 » by **thanumba2clippersfan** » Thu Dec 1, 2011 5:37 pm

One thing that no one has mentioned is Mo WIlliams, if we have CP3 why do we need Mo. I know we need shooters, but Mo and CP3 would be a small backcourt if they played at the same time. We are also paying him a lot of he is just going to come off the bench.

Also I don't like the idea of giving up EJ and the Twolvves pick, I feel like we either do one or the other. I believe we have a variety of deals would could offer the Hornets for CP3. I do believe that we should keep EJ and DJ.

Det the Threat · Post #14 » by **Det the Threat** » Thu Dec 1, 2011 5:44 pm

thanumba2clippersfan wrote:One thing that no one has mentioned is Mo WIlliams, if we have CP3 why do we need Mo. I know we need shooters, but Mo and CP3 would be a small backcourt if they played at the same time. We are also paying him a lot of he is just going to come off the bench.

Also I don't like the idea of giving up EJ and the Twolvves pick, I feel like we either do one or the other. I believe we have a variety of deals would could offer the Hornets for CP3. I do believe that we should keep EJ and DJ.

I think Mo could be either dangled in such a deal as well(he's only under contract for two more years), while we take on some additional contracts.

And I'm also with you in that I don't think we should give up Gordon and that Minny pick in the same deal.

scoobs07 · Post #15 » by **scoobs07** » Thu Dec 1, 2011 6:11 pm

thanumba2clippersfan wrote:One thing that no one has mentioned is Mo WIlliams, if we have CP3 why do we need Mo. I know we need shooters, but Mo and CP3 would be a small backcourt if they played at the same time. We are also paying him a lot of he is just going to come off the bench.

Also I don't like the idea of giving up EJ and the Twolvves pick, I feel like we either do one or the other. I believe we have a variety of deals would could offer the Hornets for CP3. I do believe that we should keep EJ and DJ.

That is true. It would already be a smalll back court as it is with CP3/EJ. Maybe a trade like this:

Clippers get:
CP3
Jack

Hornets get:
2012 Minny 1st
2014 Clippers 1st
Kaman
Bledsoe
Williams
Aminu
3 million cash

Jarrett Jack is 6-3 and has the ability to play both back court positions. He is also a better defender than Mo, and the wouldnt have to play a lot of minutes either. Heis contractisnt as bad as Mo's either ( 2 more years at 5 million per year).

Det the Threat · Post #16 » by **Det the Threat** » Thu Dec 1, 2011 6:30 pm

I think any trade involving Paul means them starting over and wanting to get rid of Okafor and/or Ariza as well.

Though, we could do that with the trade you've proposed, as we're about $13 under cap.

scoobs07 · Post #17 » by **scoobs07** » Thu Dec 1, 2011 6:39 pm

I wouldnt mind absorbing one of them, DJ would probably have to be included if Okafor were involved, I would think.

madmaxmedia · Post #18 » by **madmaxmedia** » Thu Dec 1, 2011 9:10 pm

The Rim Reaper wrote:Proposal from NO was Gordon+Minny pick+Bledsoe+Kaman for CP3+Okafor. They were probably testing Olshey and seeing the most they can get. We have such a better offer than any other team that we may even be able to pull Gordon from the deal.

DJ will NOT be going out for anybody besides Dwight. Clippers are big on him and whole point of getting CP3 would be to dump it down to Blake and DJ. Imagine CP3+DJ and Griffin on the break? Or on the lobs? He will turn DJ into a borderline all star.

That's fine as far as a starting offer from NO, we would then counteroffer with a smaller package.

I think we could keep either Minny pick or Bledsoe, which one would you keep? If we have Paul and Mo Williams then we have a backlog at PG and still need SF help.

Don't know if they'd be interested in Mo Williams at all...

Leor_77 · Post #19 » by **Leor_77** » Thu Dec 1, 2011 9:51 pm

Looks like CP is very set on New York. The thing I don't get, though, is that they will likely offer something to the effect of : Iman, Fields, Douglas, Jordan and Billups. No offense to the knicks, but I just hardly see anything valuable in what they can offer. Billups is probably the best player on the list, and he is so expensive as well as starting to be on his last legs, injured, etc.

Post #20 » by **mkwest** » Fri Dec 2, 2011 12:34 am

Leor_77 wrote:Looks like CP is very set on New York. The thing I don't get, though, is that they will likely offer something to the effect of : Iman, Fields, Douglas, Jordan and Billups. No offense to the knicks, but I just hardly see anything valuable in what they can offer. Billups is probably the best player on the list, and he is so expensive as well as starting to be on his last legs, injured, etc.

The Knicks really don't have an acceptable package at this point. I understand that the Knicks are Paul's preference, but I just don't see how it is feasible at this point. Iman is an unknown and the rest of those guys are nothing to write home about. Billups is an expiring but that is all. They also can't take on Okfaor, so there's very little incentive for the Hornets. If Paul waits and becomes a free-agent, then he must take a pay cut of about $4-5M (if the salary cap remains at $58M) to sign outright.

If the Knicks want to bite the bullet they could attempt to trade Stoudemire next summer to a team that could absorb him or they could use the amnesty clause on him. Then maybe they can convince Paul and Howard to join while taking a little less than they would normally get. That may be a bit extreme and doubtful however.