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R we Giving Up too Much?

Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2011 1:43 pm
by RiversideClips
As of 5:40 am West Coast time, it is being reported that the Hornets-Clippers Trade has been submitted. From what I read it looks like we gave up Kaman,Faroque, Minny's 1st & Eric Gordon.
I am hoping the reports have the Eric's wrong. If we gave up the pick & E.J., I think we might be on the short end.
The positive is that Mo could be the #2 guard, a position he is better suited for.
I don't know, let's hope we keep E.J & add Paul.
Will the deal be approved?

Re: R we Giving Up too Much?

Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2011 1:58 pm
by Pofukauskas
This is giving up way too much imho and very Clipperesque. It's not like the Hornets (like Orlando) have any leverage. Very very dumb tbh.

Re: R we Giving Up too Much?

Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2011 3:24 pm
by JSrose115
I believe it is Eric Bledsoe instead of Eric Gordon.

Clippers Line up heading into the season:

PG- CP3
SG- Eric Gordon
SF- Caron Butler
PF- Blake Griffin
C- DeAndre Jordan

Not bad, imo. Need to improve the bench since aminu, bledsoe, butler are gone.

Re: R we Giving Up too Much?

Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2011 4:15 pm
by PlinkingPanda
For me the offer without Gordon is okay if Paul opts in for the 2nd year. If we include Gordon I expect Paul to sign a contract extension, otherwise I'd tell him and NOH to piss off. I would never give away a quarter of a roster involving a lotto pick + top 10 SG for a 2 year rental. That's just stupid, even if it is for a top 3 PG.

Re: R we Giving Up too Much?

Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2011 5:22 pm
by MagnusPinus
I can see giving up on Gordon because Sterling doesn't wanna give a third max contract or something close to Gordon after he will have to pay 2 supermax players like Blake and Paul plus 10 mil to JOrdan..

Re: R we Giving Up too Much?

Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2011 7:05 pm
by madmaxmedia
The offer without EJ is GREAT IMO, a trade that works out for both parties. Its kind of like what the Lakers were probably trying to do- focus on getting a Big Two or Big Three that is bigger than the sum of the parts (unlike Miami whose Big Three is good but not ideal combination.)

CP3, Blake, and EJ will all recognize that their trio will be as good as just about anyone else (now that the Lakers won't end up with Howard, Paul, and Kobe), to try to engineer moves to other teams is basically fruitless. If this trade happens, realize that we are basically set for the next 6 years. The offseason will be like Miami's offseason now- how can we tinker to add an extra piece or 2, or tweak an existing backup position?

Stern will play top dollar and will even go into luxury tax (but not by much), if he can land a 'super team' like this.

But basically none of what I said applies if EJ is the trade piece instead of Bledsoe.

Re: R we Giving Up too Much?

Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2011 7:18 pm
by azncorruptedo17
tbh if we gave up EJ + minny pick, we'd be giving up too much already.

The package that's being reported of, Kaman, bledsoe, aminu and the minny pick is the best possible package for both, and i'm glad the clippers said EITHER gordon OR the pick not both!

How NO's will benefit?
Kaman = Expiring Contract
We all know Aminu and Bledsoe [with developments] will be SOLID starters
Minny's pick with their own pick will most likely give them 2 top 10 picks of next year's stacked draft.

giving EJ too would be WAY TOO MUCH!!! f' that!!! don't do it! I'm fine with waiting out and hoping to get dwill in the offseason!

Re: R we Giving Up too Much?

Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2011 7:34 pm
by madmaxmedia
It's dead now anyway, but J.A. Adande broke it down pretty well. Note that he's assuming the trade involved Bledsoe only and not Gordon-

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/page/Pau ... ers-run-la
If the Clippers get Paul, the game done changed. You'd have a strong argument that they had the best point guard and best American-born power forward (in deference to Dirk Nowitzki) in the league. The Clippers go from perpetual punch line to legitimate force.

As one member of the organization said, "This is the closest we've been to making The Leap."


At one point it looked like you could add Paul to the list of the Clippers' missed opportunities. One league source said the Clippers could have had Paul last week if they had included Gordon and/or the Minnesota pick in their offer. A Clippers source disputed that notion, saying that if the team gave up what the Hornets were demanding at the time there wouldn't be enough talent left on the Clippers to entice Paul to stay long-term.

Re: R we Giving Up too Much?

Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2011 8:28 pm
by QRich3
If the deal did indeed include both EJ and the pick, I'm really happy that it's dead now. I'm not sure Paul would even want to stay here in 2 years with the only company of Blake and a few role players.

We'd be without a pick next year and without our young players Aminu or Bledsoe, Foye expiring and the only remaining players would be Mo, Gomes, DJ and Butler, plus 2nd round picks and leftovers of the free agency.

I'm liking how Oshley is handling things so far, at least if he doesn't get enticed somehow to give away EJ and the pick in the next few days.

Re: R we Giving Up too Much?

Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2011 10:14 pm
by madmaxmedia
I think he's got good basketball smarts and will only pull the trigger on the right move.

Re: R we Giving Up too Much?

Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2011 10:17 pm
by azncorruptedo17
madmaxmedia wrote:I think he's got good basketball smarts and will only pull the trigger on the right move.

I remember the pre-game interview from one of the games where he said "our goal in the next year is to make room to keep EJ and DJ"

After that, i knew we finally had someone worthy!!