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Can we please get a Sane GM
Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2012 1:27 pm
by RiversideClips
As a 9 year Season Ticket holder, I have not been a fan of this off season's new players.
We got robbed for Odom, we should have waited 2 days and got him at a fraction of the price. I don't think he is going to do much, the melt down in Dallas was not only sad, it proved that Odom is mentally weak. Please don't tell me that he was depressed about his cousin, then the NY car accident, people have been through worse.
Crawford, what the???? This L.A. kid has been escaping SoCal since High School, I don't think he can stay here 4 years! We need Bigs, not more guards.
What is management doing to find a legit (No Kiki!) GM. I wasn't initially sold on Olshley, but it is going to be hard to fill his shoes. W/out a GM, I think we are missing out on BIGS and management seems like they won't address needs, like Bigs.
As of right now, with this team, I wish it was a Lock Out year. I can't see us doing much with our additions.
Re: Can we please get a Sane GM
Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2012 6:41 pm
by jflipclip
What bigs are we exactly missing out on? The ones that are good are demanding lots (Lopez, Kaman, Hibbert, Hawes, Asik). I thought the earlier reports on Camby was that he wanted to go back to the Knicks or Rockets. The second tier of bigs are all still available and there's still time to evaluate the summer league players.
Please don't tell me that he was depressed about his cousin, then the NY car accident, people have been through worse.
Really? Hard times are hard times. There might always be a worse but that's not the point. I can understand why people aren't sold on Odom but last season was such a fluke that it's hard to believe he'll play the same or worse.
I am not one to overreact especially since we have a FULL offseason. Also Blake being around the Olympic team + lessons from Hakeem, that's already a great sign of things to come.
Re: Can we please get a Sane GM
Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2012 7:53 pm
by Roscoe Sheed
The acquisition have been more or less fine. Yes, Odom is a question mark, but if he plays well, he will be a great help off the bench. Crawford had a sub-par season last season, but he is an upgrade over Mo. He is a true 2 guard in size and can fill it up even better than Mo. It was good to keep Chauncey because of his leadership. I would have liked to keep Evans, but he must have been concerned about a lack of minutes
Re: Can we please get a Sane GM
Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2012 7:54 pm
by Quake Griffin
sign ronnie brewer.
sign ryan hollins.
would be a pretty decent end to this terrible offseason.
worst offseason move was keeping vinny.
but whatever.
Re: Can we please get a Sane GM
Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2012 8:06 pm
by azncorruptedo17
i think the worst off season move was not getting olshey back
Re: Can we please get a Sane GM
Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2012 4:30 pm
by clippers23fan
Not to be an apologist but what exactly was so bad about the offseason (in terms of player personnel)?
It was reported that Ray Allen's agent let us know that we were lower on his priority list than the Heat and Celtics so that was that.
Crawford, although not ideal, is still someone that can create his own shot (something Nick couldn't do for us). When the offense breaks down (as it inevitably will with our offensive scheme) at least we have someone outside of Paul who can break down his defender and get off a decent shot.
We didn't wait for LO to be bought out because he was going to demand, at the minimum, a multi-year MLE on the open market (look at the rest of Free Agents in LO's caliber). This would've locked us up for more years if in fact you are correct about his mental makeup. Now we replace Mo (a redundancy) with a position that we desperately needed (a stretch 4) and we were able to keep both or Mid-Level and Vet Minimum.
Getting back Chauncey on a one-year deal was just gravy on top of it all. Yes we still need a backup SF and backup Center but we still have $2 mil and a Trade Exception from Aminu to do it.
I'd love to look back at getting Matt Barnes or the aforemention Brewer and would actually like Darko or Kwame to come in as the 5. At least they have size and Darko still has some offensive skill about him.
Re: Can we please get a Sane GM
Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2012 9:17 pm
by Roscoe Sheed
Darko or Kwame wouldn't be terrible. However, I'd prefer a center that can shoot a bit to stretch the floor.
Re: Can we please get a Sane GM
Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2012 12:39 am
by adiedanny
I'm sorry but I completely disagree with this being one of the worst FA season. This is one of the best off seasons. True CP was the best trade ever made in team history but this is another year we looked forward to and were more excited about FA more than the draft.
Re: Can we please get a Sane GM
Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2012 3:46 am
by azncorruptedo17
BG is signed til 2018, i think it's a pretty successful off season

Re: Can we please get a Sane GM
Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2012 5:42 am
by mkwest
We have some areas of need that I would like to be filled. Currently we have 11 players under contract (9 guaranteed) and a player that may be traded or amnestied (Gomes). We're not done yet.
I had concerns about certain moves (Mo for Lamar) and even signing Crawford. Given that we had plans of using the MLE to sign another player (Crawford) then it kind of makes sense to do the trade for Odom. If we don't, then we're using a good portion of the MLE on him and still trying to find someone to pawn Mo off on. If Odom returns to form, then he's better than any back-up big that we had on the roster last season. If he's only so-so, then we still have an $8.2M expiring contract to use as trade bait. At the end of the day, these basketball players are human beings and can be affected by things that go on in their personal lives. Losing a close relative and being involved in the death of another human being are traumatic experiences that many people would need to see therapists over. I can't knock him on that. I believe that he should have been more professional, but I understand.
With Crawford, the targets were Ray Allen and Lee (who was restricted for most of the time). Allen let it be known that we weren't his first priority. Lee was looking for more than we could offer and wasn't a UFA until shortly before we committed to Crawford. I would have liked Allen the most out of the 3, but he wanted to take his talents to South Beach. Crawford said that Paul, Blake and Billups all recruited him, so I'm sure that had a little something to do with why we went after him. We know for certain that the first 2 years of his deal are guaranteed. There is some uncertainty regarding the last 2. I'm guessing that the 3rd is a player and the 4th is a team option, but still waiting on that confirmation. A 3 year deal isn't the end of the world imo. At worst, he's trade bait 2 years from now.
Having a player like Billups on the roster helps everyone out. He's another coach out on the floor and a brother/father/uncle type of mentor in the locker room. Paul said he believes that we would have won the championship if Billups never got hurt. I don't want to speak so definitively on that, but I do believe that we would have finished with a higher seed and that changes potential postseason match-ups. I did like our odds before he got hurt, so maybe I'm just as crazy as CP3

There is a risk that he will take longer to return than expected or that he doesn't get back to that same level. That's where having him on a 1 year deal comes in handy. Depending on what happens this season will determine the relationship he'll have with the team next season.
I liked Neil. I think I had a little more confidence in him than others did initially. I thought he drafted well for us, even though we ended up with Foye and Gomes. Different people involved with the organization have said that Olshey wasn't necessarily the main factor behind some of our deals. There's some question that he didn't even want to do the CP3 deal. We may never know the full truth to those rumors. I'm not sure that Olshey would have done much better if he were still the GM. He wanted to added a stretch 4 and wanted to re-sign Billups. He was contemplating trading for Crawford around the deadline while also trying to make a play for Allen. What we ended up doing, did not really differ from what he was trying to do or said that the team needed to do. Either Sacks was a little more involved in the decision-making than most of us knew or we're just sticking to the script that Olshey wrote.
I want another big or 2, and a defensive-minded wing. I hope that we pursue those things. We can totally judge them when the roster is finalized.
Re: Can we please get a Sane GM
Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2012 7:10 am
by Quake Griffin
brewer and hollins for the win.
this offseason isn't a complete failure. but let's be real here. this offseason is really all about next offseason....we have a certain player that needs to sign a 5 year/ $108 million contract. As much as he seems committed to us, there is going to be some team opening up cap space and trying to make a sexy pitch to him.
One...our coach is not very good and this vacancy at the end of the year will be unsettling....are we going to re-sign him? God I hope not....and if we don't who are going to get to commit here that will make CP comfortable?
We don't have a GM...ok...fine...but commit to one long term...one familiar with Paul...give him a good team of scouts etc. etc.
we need stability and to show that there is stability in our organization.
as far as the personnel...I'm not a fan of Crawford but he can light it up...our 2nd unit was so good on defense....and I kind of wanted to keep it that way. However, I think we're a move or 2 away from having a really really good 2nd unit...so no complaints on that end.
Re: Can we please get a Sane GM
Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2012 5:24 pm
by madmaxmedia
I think the Clippers were one of the ideal destinations for LO, in terms of best chance of having a good comeback season. He's not an All-Star, but his size and athleticism are very nice to have. I like him better than the other big men out there.
Him or Mo, either would be an expiring contract and we need big men more than PG's.
The other moves have been pretty good too. I honestly have no complaints. I think what we've done is really not far from what Olshey would have done had he stayed. I wish we still had him, but I think our offseason has been fine.