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these rumors are swarming the hell out of our locker room.


again, i apologize for not linking n quoting but the links are in the wiretaps (please let me know if u hate this practice).

please please do it get rid of Vinny

what are stan's strengths?

defense.
did he actually run anything in Orlando or just funnel the offense through dwight n kick out to shooters?

The Clippers problem throughout history is their lack of consistency. Blowing up teams early because they didn't become a contender or have a system or a star. When the Clips keep their core and their coach, they continue to improve. They always blow it up and end up abandoned by players(can't blame them) and staggered by injuries resulting in poor records and then the coach gets fired. Everybody in the franchise has their own agenda, which they need to put aside so they can contend and win and finally get looked at as a franchise to fear, rather than a team to watch out for once or twice a decade.

While I do think there are better established coaches out there, Del Negro could be that better coach given time. Mike Dunleavy was given 7 years with the Clippers and only had one winning season.

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yea, it sucked when the Mavs dropped Don Nelson and went to Avery....then dropped Avery and went to Rick Carlisle.

what were they thinking?

Carlisle is a good coach.

This is barely a rumor. It came out of an article where all teams coaches were being discussed and seems more like an inference. Obviously the team isn't talking about a coaching change right before the playoffs. It's just a "if they let Vinny go, this is a guy they have mentioned in the past and seems reasonable for their team"

The Clippers have a lot of decisions to make this summer. Rumor or not, they better be looking at the possibilities of whatever it takes to make the team better now and in the long run.

SVG has his positives and his negatives but is a good coach imo. A knock on him is that he may not be good enough to win it all. He's made mistakes in the past, and hopefully has learned from them. 3rd time could be the charm for him.

He's a lot different than Vinny (way more hands on and confrontational). So Paul, Blake etc. would need to give the OK.

#bonerup

I actually like SVG.

and i think if Chris is on board (with us and with his hiring)....it will work.
Dwight is a female reproductive organ.

I've always viewed him as a REALLY REALLY great #2....but never a lead guy....never a help a team win it all type guy.



i still don't want these rumors around my team going into whats going to be a slobber knocker of a playoff series...no matter what seed we get.

vinny has to go.

but not a fan of svg. he never wins the big game. always gets tense when its time.

guess anything is better then vinny(i can do a better job then him to be honnest)

This team needs more than a coaching change to get us to the promised land but having Chris Paul and the continued improvement from Blake Griffin is a wonderful foundation to build out from. Having said that, I was never a fan of the Del Negro hiring even though I thought he was underrated during his time in Chicago. I've always felt that VDN was our placeholder coach until someone better comes along, which was the case when Rick Adelman was available.

As it turns out, Adelman doesn't look to be a long-term coach, after all, and Stan Van Gundy is available. I'm a fan of SVG as he's a good strategist and teaching coach. He handled himself as well as could be expected in Orlando during the Dwightmare and really doesn't get enough credit for helping get the most out of Howard's abilities during his time there. As for the criticism of him not winning the big one, well, he would have likely had a championship ring to his credit had Pat Riley didn't underhandedly relieve him of his head coaching duties midway through their first championship season in Miami.

DeAndre Jordan needs to shape up post haste and if SVG can't get it out of him, it's a good indication to trade him for a more productive asset. I'm on the Stan Van-wagon on this one.

Ranma wrote:This team needs more than a coaching change to get us to the promised land but having Chris Paul and the continued improvement from Blake Griffin is a wonderful foundation to build out from. Having said that, I was never a fan of the Del Negro hiring even though I thought he was underrated during his time in Chicago. I've always felt that VDN was our placeholder coach until someone better comes along, which was the case when Rick Adelman was available.

As it turns out, Adelman doesn't look to be a long-term coach, after all, and Stan Van Gundy is available. I'm a fan of SVG as he's a good strategist and teaching coach. He handled himself as well as could be expected in Orlando during the Dwightmare and really doesn't get enough credit for helping get the most out of Howard's abilities during his time there. As for the criticism of him not winning the big one, well, he would have likely had a championship ring to his credit had Pat Riley didn't underhandedly relieve him of his head coaching duties midway through their first championship season in Miami.

DeAndre Jordan needs to shape up post haste and if SVG can't get it out of him, it's a good indication to trade him for a more productive asset. I'm on the Stan Van-wagon on this one.

remember he had the same team the year before. up 3-2 vs det in det. wade rests. asked det about his injury "if this was game 7 i would play"

they get blown out in det and lose game 7 at home

Angel strike1 wrote:remember he had the same team the year before. up 3-2 vs det in det. wade rests. asked det about his injury "if this was game 7 i would play"

they get blown out in det and lose game 7 at home

So you don't think he's learned from that and improved since then...especially in light of the fact that, in the season immediately following, he laid the groundwork for a championship-caliber team that Riley took credit for?

Ranma wrote:

Angel strike1 wrote:remember he had the same team the year before. up 3-2 vs det in det. wade rests. asked det about his injury "if this was game 7 i would play"

they get blown out in det and lose game 7 at home

So you don't think he's learned from that and improved since then...especially in light of the fact that, in the season immediately following, he laid the groundwork for a championship-caliber team that Riley took credit for?

saying he had same team as Riley. with him players took games off cause it wasnt game 7. with riley and same exact team they won a title.


laying groundwork? with same exact team? lol

Angel strike1 wrote:saying he had same team as Riley. with him players took games off cause it wasnt game 7. with riley and same exact team they won a title.


laying groundwork? with same exact team? lol

Technically, it was not the same exact team, but I'll concede that point of your argument. However, how is it Van Gundy's fault that Wade took the game off the season before? It is quite arguable that Riley is a better coach than Van Gundy. He just happens to command more respect, given his previous championship experience. Over the long haul, he like Phil Jackson, hasn't proven himself as a team-builder without elite talent. Even Riley, I suspect, knows that which is why he had Erik Spoelstra take over for him.

Do you understand the concept of "laying groundwork"? It means providing a foundation for something to be built, not a complete build. Dwight Howard's development in Orlando had a lot to do with Van Gundy. Also, having a short-handed team remain competitive in the absence of and with an absent-minded Howard is an accomplishment in itself.

While you may not respect his abilities, most everyone else--including myself--happen to think he's a good coach. The same argument you're using against Van Gundy could also apply to Rick Adelman. Do you happen to think Adelman is not a good coach either?

quick question.

think of all the good coaches you know. and tell me with who would wade be allowed to take game 6 off.


i can just see it with riley.

w : coach if this was game 7 i could play but i am taking a game off.
R: mother **** you playing. STFU and get in game(lightly put)

Angel strike1 wrote:quick question.

think of all the good coaches you know. and tell me with who would wade be allowed to take game 6 off.


i can just see it with riley.

w : coach if this was game 7 i could play but i am taking a game off.
R: mother **** you playing. STFU and get in game(lightly put)

what....exactly....does riley telling him to play do here?

bring the best out of Wade?

Angel strike1 wrote:quick question.

think of all the good coaches you know. and tell me with who would wade be allowed to take game 6 off.


i can just see it with riley.

w : coach if this was game 7 i could play but i am taking a game off.
R: mother **** you playing. STFU and get in game(lightly put)

You sure seem to have limited barometer of what makes a great coach. Well then, I pose to you: How do you explain Pippen's pouting out of the final moments of a game when Phil Jackson drew up a play for Kukoc to take the winning shot against--ironically enough--Riley's Knicks back in the 1994 Playoffs?

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7SbG-8Bvgk[/youtube]

Like I mentioned earlier, Phil is a comparable to Riley, so somehow Pip's hissy fit diminishes Phil's greatness?! Bottom line, Stan Van Gundy is a coach who gets the most out of his teams and we need personnel that are team players. If they can't get onboard with SVG, then they need to get the eff out of town!

Players are paid to play while coaches are here to coach. If there is some sort of confusion over their roles, then maybe they need their job descriptions spelled out in their contracts in bold print. Pippen went from being considered one of the most under-rated players in the league to having proved himself as one of the most over-rated "superstars" in the game. His career showed he couldn't carry a team despite his ego saying otherwise.

I've never gotten it, just because you are the best player on the team doesn't mean you are the best shooter on the team. I have to agree though, just because a player quits in a game because of their ego or maybe even personality, it doesn't mean the coach is bad. Some people have volatile personalities and are bad at control their emotions, no matter what coach they have.

Phil never got Kobe to stay in the offense and to play defense as he would like him to. One of the reasons Pop is so successful is that he doesn't get many players that will cause trouble. DeJuan Blair has had his issues of complaining on the team. A coach can't change a players personality, they can only try to prevent it from being a distraction if it is that volatile.