Bigman thread

[Verballer]

How the hell don't we have one yet?!
Kaman is gone
I don't want LO
Hollins is ok
Turiaf and Hollins isn't enough
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[RiversideClips]

Maalik Wayans isn't wearing #2 anymore, he gave it to a returning vet; does that mean KMART is back?

[mkwest]

Maalik Wayans isn't wearing #2 anymore, he gave it to a returning vet; does that mean KMART is back?

Collison probably took number 2.

[RiversideClips]

forgot about him,thanks

[Verballer]

Maalik Wayans isn't wearing #2 anymore, he gave it to a returning vet; does that mean KMART is back?

Collison isnt a vet

[Roscoe Sheed]

I guess of all the options left, J. O'Neal is the best. He actually had a solid season with Phoenix last season. However, I wonder if his body will hold up without the legendary Suns training staff

[scoobs07]

At the bottom of the free agent list are players like these:

Jermaine ONeal
Greg Steimsma
Byron Mullins
Samuel Delembert
Cole Aldrich
Johan Petro

Honestly, I would be happy with a big that could play 18-24 minutes, be able to guard the Marc Gasol's of the world and hit free throws. I would probably go with Steimsma.

[TheNewEra]

Dalembert or O'Neal will work well.

[og15]

Stiemasma
O'neal
Dalambert

Mullens doesn't help this team.

Outside of too many turnovers, Aldrich was decent last season

Johan Petro sucks.

[ClipperDomination]

If a team convinces Dalembert to take the veteran's minimum, I'll be surprised. He's worth a bit more than that.

A few other names to watch are Brandan Wright, Birdman, and DeJuan Blair. Likewise, all of these players may want a bit more than the league minimum as well.

[mkwest]

Stiemasma
O'neal
Dalambert

I like all three of them. I'm not holding my breath for Dally. I think he'd head to Miami if he's only getting the minimum. O'neal and Stiemsma have both played for Doc in the past. I wonder if Barnes would mind having Stiemsma on the team.

[og15]

Yea, I think Dalembert will require a bit more than the minimum, similarly Wright and Blair. Even Stiemsma got $2+M with the Wolves last season. I liked Steemer on Boston, he is a better shooter than O'neal, less health risk and is a good and mobile team defender. He's a bit on the thinner side so he can get pushed around a little, but that's okay.

There are guys who would be nice but money just doesn't work out. It is a thought to consider that the team is paying $11-12M at SG and neither guy is a multi-position player. I have doubts that the Redick/Crawford combo is a viable option for the coming years, both in player satisfaction and fit. I think Crawford will end up getting moved at some point in time.

A SG/SF rotation of: Redick / Bullock / Dudley / Barnes seems like it should be sufficient moving forward if Bullock pans out.

[illastrate]

The Clips' TPE expires in 2 days, so they may try to scramble for a day for a big. My guess is they're trying to acquire DeJuan Blair.

[mkwest]

Yea, I think Dalembert will require a bit more than the minimum, similarly Wright and Blair. Even Stiemsma got $2+M with the Wolves last season. I liked Steemer on Boston, he is a better shooter than O'neal, less health risk and is a good and mobile team defender. He's a bit on the thinner side so he can get pushed around a little, but that's okay.

There are guys who would be nice but money just doesn't work out. It is a thought to consider that the team is paying $11-12M at SG and neither guy is a multi-position player. I have doubts that the Redick/Crawford combo is a viable option for the coming years, both in player satisfaction and fit. I think Crawford will end up getting moved at some point in time.

A SG/SF rotation of: Redick / Bullock / Dudley / Barnes seems like it should be sufficient moving forward if Bullock pans out.

Speaking of Redick/Crawford. Crawford has seemed a little sour on Twitter lately. I don't like to read into things, but he went from mostly being positive to sounding almost depressed. It could be something totally unrelated to basketball or it could be about a starting role or minutes.

[og15]

I hope life is treating him well, hopefully he isn't too sad about the likely reduced role. I can assume he realizes that he isn't the slotted guy to finish off games at SG anymore and that Redick will demand more minutes than Green or Billups did. Being a 6th man is generally different than being a bench player. A lot of 6th men get to finish games and play just under starters minutes, but now he's most likely more of a bench player.

He's probably going to play the lowest minutes he's played in a while, but he should realize that he's also 33 and a single position player who's defense is suspect. He could earn himself minutes by committing fully to defense though, but he's 13 years in, that time has passed.

If he had ever taken some time to put on a little weight (still seems under 200 lbs at 6'6) and get stronger, he had the length (6'5.5", 6'10 wingspan, 8'6.5" standing reach) to be a SG/SF, but he's never done that and no one is asking that at 33 and 13 years or whatever it is into his career. In general he could have maximized his value by defending and embracing being a PG/playmaker, that could have made him a capable 1-3 and when you have multi positional ability, you have greater minutes potential.

[Roscoe Sheed]

I hope life is treating him well, hopefully he isn't too sad about the likely reduced role. I can assume he realizes that he isn't the slotted guy to finish off games at SG anymore and that Redick will demand more minutes than Green or Billups did. Being a 6th man is generally different than being a bench player. A lot of 6th men get to finish games and play just under starters minutes, but now he's most likely more of a bench player.

He's probably going to play the lowest minutes he's played in a while, but he should realize that he's also 33 and a single position player who's defense is suspect. He could earn himself minutes by committing fully to defense though, but he's 13 years in, that time has passed.

If he had ever taken some time to put on a little weight (still seems under 200 lbs at 6'6) and get stronger, he had the length (6'5.5", 6'10 wingspan, 8'6.5" standing reach) to be a SG/SF, but he's never done that and no one is asking that at 33 and 13 years or whatever it is into his career. In general he could have maximized his value by defending and embracing being a PG/playmaker, that could have made him a capable 1-3 and when you have multi positional ability, you have greater minutes potential.

Crawford was an average defender last season. He put effort forth and made some sound plays. His only major weaknesses were getting hung out on screens a bit too often and being too weak to guard strong 2 guards and 3s. It is not like Redick is some defensive juggernaut. Crawford should still get around 30 minutes a game and play a lot at the end of games- he is the Clippers best play maker besides CP3 and is very clutch. I'd rahter have him in at the end of games than Redick. Doc better not reduce his role too much or worse yet be interested in trading him.

[og15]

I hope life is treating him well, hopefully he isn't too sad about the likely reduced role. I can assume he realizes that he isn't the slotted guy to finish off games at SG anymore and that Redick will demand more minutes than Green or Billups did. Being a 6th man is generally different than being a bench player. A lot of 6th men get to finish games and play just under starters minutes, but now he's most likely more of a bench player.

He's probably going to play the lowest minutes he's played in a while, but he should realize that he's also 33 and a single position player who's defense is suspect. He could earn himself minutes by committing fully to defense though, but he's 13 years in, that time has passed.

If he had ever taken some time to put on a little weight (still seems under 200 lbs at 6'6) and get stronger, he had the length (6'5.5", 6'10 wingspan, 8'6.5" standing reach) to be a SG/SF, but he's never done that and no one is asking that at 33 and 13 years or whatever it is into his career. In general he could have maximized his value by defending and embracing being a PG/playmaker, that could have made him a capable 1-3 and when you have multi positional ability, you have greater minutes potential.

Crawford was an average defender last season. He put effort forth and made some sound plays. His only major weaknesses were getting hung out on screens a bit too often and being too weak to guard strong 2 guards and 3s. It is not like Redick is some defensive juggernaut. Crawford should still get around 30 minutes a game and play a lot at the end of games- he is the Clippers best play maker besides CP3 and is very clutch. I'd rahter have him in at the end of games than Redick. Doc better not reduce his role too much or worse yet be interested in trading him.

Actually don't mind his man to man defense or pick and roll defense, but he gets lost off the ball and isn't a good help/team defender.

Crawford was overall a below average to poor defender. If he was worse man to man but didn't loose his spots on the floor, closed out, helped well, etc, he would be better. Redick is an aware defender, so while he won't shut anyone down, he doesn't get lost on defense and he plays to the system. Unless a guy is an amazing individual defender, that's what you want.

Crawford was not a playmaker. He was a shot creator for himself, but Crawford initiating offense was on of the worst things to watch.

I don't know where you see 30 MPG coming from.

PG 48 minutes: Paul / Collison
SF 48 minutes: Dudley / Barnes / Bullock

There's no minutes at those positions for him.

SG 48 minutes: Redick / Crawford / Green

Green will get DNP's, but Crawford only gets 30 mins if you think the Clippers signed Redick in order to play him 18 MPG. Unless you have another thought of where those 30 minutes come from without any significant injuries, it just doesn't seem realistic.

[Roscoe Sheed]

^
I think Crawford is a better overall player than Redick. Therefore, I think he should play more.

[og15]

No worries there, but their minutes won't split 30/18. They will both be in the 20's.

Last season per 36: pts / rebs / assists

Crawford: 20.3 / 2.1 / 3.1

Redick: 16.6 / 2.6 / 4.5

Crawford is a better scorer and iso player, that's certainly true. Better all-round player? That's quite debatable. Redick is a better shooter, can also handle and pass, better off ball player, better defender, and though insignificant, better rebounder despite being smaller.

I don't know if I'd call Crawford a better all-round player.. Redick's 3.5 assists /36 to only 1.6 turnovers from 09-10 to 12-13 is just as good as Jamal's 3.6 asisst/36 minutes to 2.3 turnovers over the same span.

Of course Jamal is a better scorer at 19.2 pts/36 in that time to Redick's 15.6 pts/36, but that isn't telling us about all-round play.

[Roscoe Sheed]

What I meant by play-maker is that Crawford is one of the few Clippers players that can actually make a play for himself- which is his role on the team- he can get his own shot. He is also a decent passer- he especially has chemistry with Barnes. If Crawford doesn't play enough, it puts a lot of pressure on CP3 to make plays.