Clippers should file protest with league office

[Roscoe Sheed]

Very few games have made me as infuriated as last night. Griffin getting kicked out was a total injustice. If I were him, I don't know what I would have done- they probably would have had to get security to get me to leave the court- I would not have left voluntarily.

I think the Clippers front office should file a protest with the league office for an unjustified ejection and request to play the 4th quarter over again. There have been replays in the past. Very rare, but it has happened.

Whatever is going on, it has to stop. It seems like every game the refs mishandle something egregiously with the Clippers. Stern's legacy in my mind will be strongly tied to the debasement of the game through terrible rules and officiating. Stern has practically ruined the integrity of the game.

[Quake Griffin]

I'm mad enough to co-sign this.

still mad.

[azncorruptedo17]

hmm...

tbh i don't think stern is doing anything anymore. he's probably just coasting at this point since he has 2 months left.

what needs to get done is a better referee evaluation without politics at the end of every year. There's a lot of refs that you can tell hate a team or are just stupid and shouldn't be reffing anymore.

At the end of the day, teams/players should also be punished by the NBA for doing non-basketball plays, like what bogut did and always does. There's a difference between physical basketball, and what would probably get you shot/jumped if you did that at a park pick up game vs the wrong people.

Bogut and zbo do it all the time to BG. Non-basketball physicality that leads to techs. MattyB made a play at the ball vs klove and he got ejected, klove elbows BG with a basketball move that gets him bleeding and it's a regular offensive foul call. Something's gotta give, and tbh the officials have been under fire for so long, they need to get reevaluated like the school system in california does.

[righterwriter]

I think the instant double tech for any altercation is mostly wrong. It's okay to get tangled up and get a bit heated (it happens in a lot of sporting events) without levying a technical foul.

Perhaps what needs to be done is to give refs the opportunity to levy a foul that is somewhat less serious than a technical foul. This foul can be something in the way of giving free throws, a fine, having the player stuck in a penalty box (can't play for five minutes), or something to this effect. But just having the two technical fouls and you are out, particularly with how easily they give out technicals, doesn't seem right.

With that being said, the rules are what they are right now, and Blake or any other player who already has a tech needs to avoid any confrontation so that he doesn't risk an ejection. It's definitely part of his responsibility if he gets into another altercation.

[azncorruptedo17]

With that being said, the rules are what they are right now, and Blake or any other player who already has a tech needs to avoid any confrontation so that he doesn't risk an ejection. It's definitely part of his responsibility if he gets into another altercation.

so you're saying that because he had a tech, he shouldn't be within the vicinity of bogut because he started the altercation? seriously? lol

what needs to be done is an unbiased competitions committee that can overturn a call on the spot through replay. this replay system we have for flagrant fouls are great, imo, but if you leave it only to refs that are already corrupt, it doesn't really matter.

that MattyB ejection was uncalled for, the ejection tech on BG was unearned, and there are others across the league that are also unwarranted. They need to big brother the refs. Refs aren't perfect, but if you get to replay the thing on demand and still get the wrong call... then......

[Nutella]

One of the most ridiculous things I've ever witnessed in the NBA.

[righterwriter]

With that being said, the rules are what they are right now, and Blake or any other player who already has a tech needs to avoid any confrontation so that he doesn't risk an ejection. It's definitely part of his responsibility if he gets into another altercation.

so you're saying that because he had a tech, he shouldn't be within the vicinity of bogut because he started the altercation? seriously? lol

When did I write or allude to the idea that he shouldn't be in the vicinity of another player?

what needs to be done is an unbiased competitions committee that can overturn a call on the spot through replay. this replay system we have for flagrant fouls are great, imo, but if you leave it only to refs that are already corrupt, it doesn't really matter.

that MattyB ejection was uncalled for, the ejection tech on BG was unearned, and there are others across the league that are also unwarranted. They need to big brother the refs. Refs aren't perfect, but if you get to replay the thing on demand and still get the wrong call... then......

Here's the replay which shows Griffin pulling Bogut, grabbing onto Bogut's jersey after they became entangled, and putting his hands into the face of Bogut.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_yGJzGaeTMc[/youtube]

You are taking this too far and looking into it deeper than what it actually is.

[Forte IV]

So you're telling me when a guy starts grabbing you for no reason you're just going to continue to let him grab you without at least trying to break free? You're delusional and at this point a troll.

[Ranma]

Like I said in the Warriors Game Thread:

I'll admit, I look forward to this matchup more than any other this season even before tonight's game. You have a point about Bogut doing a good job of getting under Griffin's skin, but while that initial bear hug by Blake likely deserved a double foul given what Bogut did to start it, Bogut deserved the tech more for swinging his elbow right to Blake's head. Blake, if anything, deserved a personal foul, at most. Also, the tech he received from the Draymond Green incident was unwarranted since he didn't do anything after the elbow to the throat. The fact that both those plays happened in consecutive manner makes it highly suspicious that it was implemented by your team's coach, which is a cheapshot tactic akin to Jason Kidd instructing his players to bump into him to spill a drink to delay the game while his assistant is drawing up a play. Bush league.

Plus, you have a referee who apparently had an axe to grind given the article I cited in this thread. We'll see how the NBA rules on the technical fouls on Griffin after-the-fact. Heck, we just had one downgraded on Matt Barnes due to the shenanigans of Marc Davis, another ref with an axe to grind.

NBA (12/26/13)

"After a league review of the Clippers-Warriors game, we have come to the conclusion that Blake Griffin should not have been ejected from the game. A common foul should have been called on Griffin for initially attempting to dislodge the Warriors' Andrew Bogut and a technical foul should have been assessed to Bogut for grabbing Griffin by the shirt and wrestling with him."

NBA: Griffin should not have been ejected vs. Warriors

Golden State Warriors forward Draymond Green has been fined $15,000 for failing to leave the court in a timely manner upon his ejection, it was announced today by Rod Thorn, President, Basketball Operations.

League serves Warriors' Green with $15,000 fine

[righterwriter]

So you're telling me when a guy starts grabbing you for no reason you're just going to continue to let him grab you without at least trying to break free? You're delusional and at this point a troll.

Grabbing for no reason? Watch the video again.

Second 13: Griffin is pulling Bogut around his back
Second 15: Griffin shoves Bogut
Second 18: Griffin swipes at Bogut's face

Bogut was equally at fault, if not slightly more or less, every step of the way. But Griffin was hardly a wallflower or a victim. He mixed it up and that's why he got the tech. Pretty straight forward.

[Forte IV]

So you're telling me when a guy starts grabbing you for no reason you're just going to continue to let him grab you without at least trying to break free? You're delusional and at this point a troll.

Grabbing for no reason? Watch the video again.

Second 13: Griffin is pulling Bogut around his back
Second 15: Griffin shoves Bogut
Second 18: Griffin swipes at Bogut's face

Bogut was equally at fault, if not slightly more or less, every step of the way. But Griffin was hardly a wallflower or a victim. He mixed it up and that's why he got the tech. Pretty straight forward.

I'll say this once again. When a guy grabs you which is clear in the video, you're just going to let him grab you? He's clearly trying to break free from a coward's grasp. That's all that there is to it. End of discussion.

[righterwriter]

Bogut is a coward? Wow. Would you say that to his face? If not, you shouldn't say it here.

[Roscoe Sheed]

NBA (12/26/13)

"After a league review of the Clippers-Warriors game, we have come to the conclusion that Blake Griffin should not have been ejected from the game. A common foul should have been called on Griffin for initially attempting to dislodge the Warriors' Andrew Bogut and a technical foul should have been assessed to Bogut for grabbing Griffin by the shirt and wrestling with him."

NBA: Griffin should not have been ejected vs. Warriors

Golden State Warriors forward Draymond Green has been fined $15,000 for failing to leave the court in a timely manner upon his ejection, it was announced today by Rod Thorn, President, Basketball Operations.

League serves Warriors' Green with $15,000 fine

so the league is admitting it was a mistake to eject Griffin- which strongly impacted the Clips chances of winning the game. File a protest to replay the 4th quarter like I said!

If I recall correctly, several years ago, Miami and Atlanta replayed the last 3 minutes of a game or so because of a foul out error with Shaq or something like that. This seems to be a similar situation.

[Quake Griffin]

it's amazing what a troll can see in a video.

[JayClips92]

Golden State Warriors forward Draymond Green has been fined $15,000 for failing to leave the court in a timely manner upon his ejection, it was announced today by Rod Thorn, President, Basketball Operations.

League serves Warriors' Green with $15,000 fine

Didn't Barnes just get fined 25K "for not leaving the court in a timely manner"? Why is Green's 10k less?

[righterwriter]

it's amazing what a troll can see in a video.

What's funny is that we have the actual video here, which I took the time to list second by second what Griffin was doing that proved he was an equal and willing participant in the altercation, and you claim that I'm making it up. As if visual evidence is somehow not enough to describe what happened.

Back your words up and tell me how what I wrote in those moments is incorrect.

[Roscoe Sheed]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3192421

this is the story of the game that was replayed (last minute of the game). Clips front office definitely should file a protest.

SECOND GAME IN A ROW THE REFS INCORRECTLY KICKED OUT A CLIPPERS PLAYER! totally shameful and disgraceful

[Ranma]

So the league admits that Griffin should not have been ejected. Now what? This after downgrading the Matt Barnes technical foul in the Minnesota game. Both players were wrongly ejected in consecutive close games despite referees reviewing the respective key plays. In light of such incompetence, what exactly is the NBA doing to prevent the likes of Marc Davis and Bill Kennedy from continuing to employ their prejudices and grudges in their officiating of NBA games where the results are determined less by the competitive play on the court.

If they're not trading in plane tickets for cash or skewing games in order to make money off bets, their gross incompetence is directly attributed to their own personal biases. NBA referees are a disgrace to the game and we demand more accountability. Reprimanding these morons is not enough.

[Quake Griffin]

it's amazing what a troll can see in a video.

What's funny is that we have the actual video here, which I took the time to list second by second what Griffin was doing that proved he was an equal and willing participant in the altercation, and you claim that I'm making it up. As if visual evidence is somehow not enough to describe what happened.

Back your words up and tell me how what I wrote in those moments is incorrect.

ur description of it is a joke.

any description that puts Blake as having any culpability for any of his techs doesn't fly here.
the league said ur wrong.

they saw the video as well.
take a seat.

[Roscoe Sheed]

So the league admits that Griffin should not have been ejected. Now what? This after downgrading the Matt Barnes technical foul in the Minnesota game. Both players were wrongly ejected in consecutive close games despite referees reviewing the respective key plays. In light of such incompetence, what exactly is the NBA doing to prevent the likes of Marc Davis and Bill Kennedy from continuing to employ their prejudices and grudges in their officiating of NBA games where the result of NBA games are determined less by the competitive play on the court.

If they're not cashing in plane tickets for cash or skewing games in order to make money off bets, their gross incompetence is directly attributed to their own personal biases. NBA referees are a disgrace to the game and we demand more accountability. Reprimanding this morons is not enough.

the refs should be suspended for about a week or more and the last 10:43 replayed. Then there would be justice. The team better be filing a protest.