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Defensive Focus 

Post#1 » by Ranma » Wed Feb 5, 2014 1:50 am

Arash Markazi, ESPNLA.com (2/4/14)
“We’re just not consistent enough,” Rivers said. “Blame whatever you want, but we were up against a very good defensive team. Fortunately, we were good enough offensively to try and win the game but later that’s not going to work. You’re not going to roll it out and be able to outscore everybody. You’re going to have to get stops, you’re going to have to get stops in a row and it has to be consistent. For us to be an elite team, we have to do that. We can be a good team the way we are playing, but if you’re going to be elite, you’re going to have to have something of a standard defensively. We’re working on it.”
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While the Clippers have been knocked for their lack of size and depth in the frontcourt, Rivers scoffs when he hears the Clippers can’t win a championship because of those shortcomings.

He points to the Miami Heat, who have won back-to-back titles and have gone to three straight Finals without much size and depth in the frontcourt. The one thing they have done well, however, over the last three seasons is play solid defense.

Clippers Aim to Be Elite Defensively

Doc being a little stubborn using the Miami Heat for justification for the lack of size on the roster without acknowledging that most successful postseason teams have size to contribute towards defense and rebounds. Instead of taking on a poser in Byron Mullens, who just thinks he's offensively capable, getting a blue-collar big to do the dirty work would be of much more help as an option to go to. Still, he's putting the onus on the players to step up their defensive focus and, presumably, rebounding efforts in winning the "50-50 plays".
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Re: Defensive Focus 

Post#2 » by Neddy » Wed Feb 5, 2014 3:17 am

you could say, that Doc is calling out blake on this one. he is saying if the heat can do it with a dominant forward like Lebron and a great sidekick in Wade, we surely have something similar in Blake and CP3, except Blake needs to accept his responsibility and become that superstar to carry us to the promise land. i do think DJ this year has been better than bosh this year.
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Post#3 » by Tudalop » Wed Feb 5, 2014 8:14 am

DJ isn't the great defender that he could became. Maybe it's because of excesive minutes playing, maybe it's because he is still young (and the first time in his career with +35min), but he needs tu step up in defensive IQ. Klay Thompson slam dunking, Ty Lawson getting easy layups constantly, etc, etc. are things that a rim protector like DJ wants to become can't allow.

But, nevermind, I'm still not worried about it. Doc is working, DJ likes to work as Blake does, and this is only about time. What i'm worried about is that Doc's stubborn. Yeah, the Miami Heat won back-to-back titles. If they're the role model, bring a Chris Andersen here.
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Post#4 » by Quake Griffin » Wed Feb 5, 2014 2:36 pm

we need a tough 3 who rebounds...let's see how Matt works out moving forward.
we need a back up big.

we need Blake to stop playing like a baby back betch on the boards.
im guessing dude thinks if DJ grabs 15, he doesnt have to grab as many....WE DONT HAVE ANY OTHER GOOD REBOUNDERS...well, Paul but he's out...and he's 5'11 if we're keeping it real.


the offensive rebounds are a srs achilles heel.
i don't care if Doc Rivers is our coach...we're not avenging last year's loss to Memphis giving up offensive rebounds like that.
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Post#5 » by QRich3 » Wed Feb 5, 2014 3:34 pm

Yeah the small ball obssession is still puzzling, and Doc seems too stubborn to even think about tweaking his idea. If he's indeed taking Miami as an example of how succesful it can be, we're gonna be in big trouble. There's NO ONE on this roster capable of playing close to what Lebron, Wade and Bosh bring defensively for them. The heavy trapping/hedging stuff will never work with this roster, and god forbid Blake or DJ have any injury even if minor, we'd be playing Jamison or Hollins starter minutes. That's the perfect recipe for a long losing streak.

In any case, we won't be able to play championship level defense until/if DJ turns into an elite defensive anchor, and he's not close to it. He's at least turned into an average defender who merits being on the court even though he can be hacked, but he's still far from a big difference maker on that end yet. Until he is, we ain't going nowhere.
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Post#6 » by kylem4711 » Wed Feb 5, 2014 4:25 pm

defense is going to be a big problem for this team.

it sucks that no one is willing to call out blake. he doesn't box out and loves to cherry pick. yeah, it promotes an exciting fast break at times, but kills the team will offensive rebounds, extra fouls, easy points at the rim, and 2nd chances.
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Post#7 » by TheNewEra » Wed Feb 5, 2014 7:19 pm

Tudalop wrote:DJ isn't the great defender that he could became. Maybe it's because of excesive minutes playing, maybe it's because he is still young (and the first time in his career with +35min), but he needs tu step up in defensive IQ. Klay Thompson slam dunking, Ty Lawson getting easy layups constantly, etc, etc. are things that a rim protector like DJ wants to become can't allow.

But, nevermind, I'm still not worried about it. Doc is working, DJ likes to work as Blake does, and this is only about time. What i'm worried about is that Doc's stubborn. Yeah, the Miami Heat won back-to-back titles. If they're the role model, bring a Chris Andersen here.


No player and I mean no player can protect the rim every single time a player gets beat that is unreal. Add on top of that Jordan sliding over to help when he blocks shots leaves his man open and hardly anyone rotates. How many times did Hickson get open in the last game and DJ rotated and Faried got an open? The team as a whole needs to step up we need Jordan to pace better on the defensive one on one area and pick and roll recovery. This team defensive concept has been poor for a while and Doc needs to get this team refocused for 48 mins.
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Post#8 » by Angel strike1 » Fri Feb 7, 2014 1:51 am

What defense?
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Post#9 » by LACtdom » Fri Feb 7, 2014 5:31 am

I think our worst defender is Crawford. I have never seen him get round a screen. He often gets caught in no man's land.
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Post#10 » by Angel strike1 » Fri Feb 7, 2014 6:32 pm

LACtdom wrote:I think our worst defender is Crawford. I have never seen him get round a screen. He often gets caught in no man's land.



Hence why he is better of the bench then starter
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Post#11 » by TheNewEra » Fri Feb 7, 2014 6:46 pm

Angel strike1 wrote:
LACtdom wrote:I think our worst defender is Crawford. I have never seen him get round a screen. He often gets caught in no man's land.



Hence why he is better of the bench then starter



Would say that he tries but physically he can be pushed around alot due to small frame. He has made some key defensive plays to win games using his quickness to grab steals. Think overall though in half court sets we should be using a Dudley and Barnes combo when need stops.
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Post#12 » by Tudalop » Fri Feb 7, 2014 7:15 pm

TheNewEra wrote:
Tudalop wrote:DJ isn't the great defender that he could became. Maybe it's because of excesive minutes playing, maybe it's because he is still young (and the first time in his career with +35min), but he needs tu step up in defensive IQ. Klay Thompson slam dunking, Ty Lawson getting easy layups constantly, etc, etc. are things that a rim protector like DJ wants to become can't allow.

But, nevermind, I'm still not worried about it. Doc is working, DJ likes to work as Blake does, and this is only about time. What i'm worried about is that Doc's stubborn. Yeah, the Miami Heat won back-to-back titles. If they're the role model, bring a Chris Andersen here.


No player and I mean no player can protect the rim every single time a player gets beat that is unreal. Add on top of that Jordan sliding over to help when he blocks shots leaves his man open and hardly anyone rotates. How many times did Hickson get open in the last game and DJ rotated and Faried got an open? The team as a whole needs to step up we need Jordan to pace better on the defensive one on one area and pick and roll recovery. This team defensive concept has been poor for a while and Doc needs to get this team refocused for 48 mins.


Of course, I don't expect from Jordan to protect the rim every single time, it is impossible. And, of course, he is the best defensive player on the team now, and he is taking charge and solving Griffin mistakes. But I still think that he can be better. And we need him to become the first one who make the stops when the match is like GSW or DEN were. Not just with blocks, but with strong fouls too, if the situation requieres them. Some nasty, as Barnes do sometimes.
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Post#13 » by LACtdom » Fri Feb 7, 2014 9:47 pm

I've always been sceptical when Doc makes claims that we will become a defensive powerhouse. All coaches make claims but only a handful actually achieve them. Don't get me wrong, we have improved significantly, however it seems as though every game that we play solid D then the next game we don't turn up on the defensive end. I'm not expecting us to be the Bulls or Pacers but it would be nice to get some consistency.
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Post#14 » by Quake Griffin » Sat Feb 8, 2014 5:47 pm

I don't think we'll ever get there defensively until we have good to great defensive players.

I think everybody on the squad has question marks on their defense in some form except for Chris Paul.
mainly, I think it is important for us to get a 3 man in the offseason who will rebound and guard the 1-3 well.

it's actually our real achilles heel...more so than a backup big imo.
I feel we're gonna get crushed on the boards in the playoffs and not having that 3 man there to help clean the glass is one reason.

we have no answer for any great wing/ swing players....
nothing we can do about PG, Bron, Wade, Healthy Kobe, Melo, Durant etc. etc. except hope they miss.


the other threads show ppl who hate Bron and Melo...etc. etc.
hate them all you want, we're not winning shet without this position solved at some point.
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Post#15 » by QRich3 » Mon Feb 10, 2014 11:41 am

We don't need to be an elite defensive team all the time, but we need to be able to focus and bring top notch defense whenever we need an important stop.

I see us very similar to the championship Mavs in 2011, an ok but not great defensive team, except that they were able to step up their defense up in the possesions they needed it the most, and we still haven't got to that level. They succesfully contained Kobe and Durant and Lebron in that playoff run and it wasn't just about 1 on 1 defense, more about team defense. Whatever Marion did for them, a combination of Barnes, Dudley and Blake can work for us. That's IF we stay focused and get to a peak defensive level that we briefly showed in a couple of stretches earlier in the season. We probably won't be able to get there this season though.

Also, I'm dissapointed to see the myth of Blake being a bad defender and DJ "cleaning his mistakes" perpetuated here, we are supposed to be the ones watching Clippers games on the regular :-?
Blake is a good defender, he tries harder than anyone, he's great at guarding the pick and roll and he's very agile and quick in rotations. Because of his wingspan he's never gonna be an elite defensive stopper, at least not an interior one, but he's a net positive and far from the liability casual fans make him out to be. I laugh every time people try to compare him defensively to guys like Love and Lee. He's probably a comparable defender to guys with better reputations than him like Aldridge or West, maybe even better.
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Post#16 » by TheNewEra » Mon Feb 10, 2014 9:29 pm

Blake is not a bad defender in the man to man aspect and pick and roll. The problems often happen on the weakside rotations or communication on the interior when we should constantly be talking and someone is left open. Helping the helper type thing needs to be improved from everyone we rotate once and don't get the second clean up rotation or it comes late. Think it has to be forced on more by Doc to drill it into the guys for constant communication and movement off help.
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More Motivation for Blake 

Post#17 » by Ranma » Tue Feb 11, 2014 10:14 pm

Broderick Turner, Los Angeles Times (2/10/14)
Several Eastern Conference scouts also have noticed Griffin's improved play on defense. But he can still improve, they said, because Griffin is more athletic and quicker than other power forwards. But Griffin remains foul-prone, averaging 3.4 personal fouls a game, fourth-highest in the league.

"He lets players get into his body instead of bumping them first," one scout said. "He's strong enough to hold his own down low and he can be a better weak-side defender because of his leaping ability."

For Clippers forward Blake Griffin, NBA is one big improving ground
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Built for the Postseason? 

Post#18 » by Ranma » Mon Feb 17, 2014 6:14 am

J.A. Adande, ESPN (2/13/14)
It’s not only that the Thunder and Spurs have better records, it’s that they are better equipped for the playoffs because of their superior defense. Both teams allow 97.5 points per game, the fewest among the current Western Conference playoff teams. The Trail Blazers allow the most, at 103.7. The Clippers are just over 100, at 100.6.
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Can defending well in spurts get it done in the playoffs?

“I don’t think it can get done what we would like to get done,” Lillard said. “Offense can be fool’s gold. It might carry you. Last year, I think Golden State’s offense carried them. I think if we can find a way to be more consistent on D, we’ll be tough to play against.”

Clippers, Blazers know the score in West
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Post#19 » by TheNewEra » Mon Feb 17, 2014 7:07 am

Team rotations will define the team.
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DJ in the Popcorn Machine 

Post#20 » by Ranma » Sat Feb 22, 2014 1:41 pm

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