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Collison for Felton and Shumpert talks

Posted: Wed Feb 19, 2014 6:20 pm
by McAdoo
The Knicks may finally have found a team willing to take on Iman Shumpert and given them back a new point guard, something they have desperately been seeking.

New York is talking to the Los Angeles Clippers about a swap that would bring Shumpert to the Clippers and send Darren Collison back to New York, reports Adrian Wojnarowski of Yahoo Sports.

In proposed deals, the Clippers would send the Knicks a package that includes point guard Darren Collison for Shumpert and point guard Raymond, sources told Yahoo Sports….

The discussions and proposed players are still fluid, league sources said, and a deal isn’t close to being reached. Nevertheless, Shumpert is an object of interest for the Clippers and the recent return of All-Star point guard Chris Paul makes Collison more expendable.

While it is not final and the players involved are fluid, this trade makes some sense for both sides.

For one, Shumpert’s sense of style and wardrobe choices would fit in well in Los Angeles. At least as well as they don in New York, anyway.

The Knicks have been looking to upgrade the point guard spot — they have been disappointed with Felton — and Collison played well for Los Angeles when Chris Paul was out. He clearly got in a better rhythm as a starter than coming off the bench — in the month of January (most of which was without CP3) Collison averaged 14.4 points on 53.7 percent shooting and he dished out 6.1 assists a night. He had an offensive rating of 115.3 in that month.

But Collison is a defensive liability, which is why Rivers is willing to move him. Rivers knows if the Clippers are going to really threaten Oklahoma City in the playoffs, they need more consistent defense and adding Shumpert off the bench helps that cause. He adds athleticism that could help behind the injured J.J. Redick (out indefinitely with a bulging disc in his back) and Jared Dudley. Felton can be the backup point guard and would fill in well enough; so long as Paul is healthy the backup point isn’t going to be playing large or key minutes for the Clippers.

We’ll see if this becomes a reality, but trades that go through are ones where both teams think they gained something, and in this case both teams can declare they won.


http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/ ... son-trade/

Re: Collison for Felton, Shumpert talks

Posted: Wed Feb 19, 2014 6:22 pm
by McAdoo
Looks like the Doc is really worried about the health of Reddick. I still feel we need a big more than a 2 guard.

Re: Collison for Felton and Shumpert talks

Posted: Wed Feb 19, 2014 6:49 pm
by TheNewEra
If we have to take on the crap contract that is Felton we should be getting Hardaway and Shumpert with some second rounders. Bullocks should not be sent out when we are giving them cap relief with Collison likely opting out as a Knick.

Re: Collison for Felton and Shumpert talks

Posted: Wed Feb 19, 2014 6:55 pm
by mj_shoefanatic
Can we incl Dudley in this deal somehow?

Re: Collison for Felton and Shumpert talks

Posted: Wed Feb 19, 2014 6:59 pm
by TheNewEra
Can we really do a trade for Dudley without getting our big man issue solved?

Re: Collison for Felton and Shumpert talks

Posted: Wed Feb 19, 2014 7:06 pm
by McAdoo
TheNewEra wrote:If we have to take on the crap contract that is Felton we should be getting Hardaway and Shumpert with some second rounders. Bullocks should not be sent out when we are giving them cap relief with Collison likely opting out as a Knick.


Totally agree, I didn't look at Feltons contract until your comment. No way should we take on 2 more seasons of paying this scrub over $4 million per season.

Re: Collison for Felton and Shumpert talks

Posted: Wed Feb 19, 2014 7:21 pm
by TheNewEra
Evans and terry traded for Thornton now official why did Doc not get Reggie for Bled TPE?

Re: Collison for Felton and Shumpert talks

Posted: Wed Feb 19, 2014 7:37 pm
by azncorruptedo17
hmmmm the heck

Re: Collison for Felton and Shumpert talks

Posted: Wed Feb 19, 2014 7:59 pm
by Forte IV
I'm all for getting Shumpert, but not at the expense of getting Felton. But, then again, if we replace Dud with Bullock I'd be okay with it. I feel Shump could thrive with us honestly.

Re: Collison for Felton and Shumpert talks

Posted: Wed Feb 19, 2014 8:01 pm
by BlzMwt
For one, Shumpert’s sense of style and wardrobe choices would fit in well in Los Angeles. At least as well as they don in New York, anyway.


well atleast both sides don't have to worry about this huge factor when deciding on the trade

Re: Collison for Felton and Shumpert talks

Posted: Wed Feb 19, 2014 8:02 pm
by TheNewEra
Feel like Shump just is not enough to take on Felton we need more from a third team or something. We are taking back a bad Felton contract and giving them expiring no way its fair.

Re: Collison for Felton and Shumpert talks

Posted: Wed Feb 19, 2014 8:07 pm
by mj_shoefanatic
TheNewEra wrote:Can we really do a trade for Dudley without getting our big man issue solved?


Kmart/Shump/Felton for DC/Dudley/Mullens anyone??

That way we keep Reggie.

Depth chart:
Paul/Felton
Crawford/Shump
Barnes/Bullock
BG/Kmart
DJ/Hollins

Re: Collison for Felton and Shumpert talks

Posted: Wed Feb 19, 2014 8:09 pm
by Clemenza
We could use Shump cause of his defense but they can keep Felton.. he's overpaid and he sucks

Shumpert-Collison Trade Talks

Posted: Wed Feb 19, 2014 9:19 pm
by Ranma
Adrian Wojnarowski, Yahoo! Sports (2/19/14)
The Knicks are shopping Shumpert hard, and the Clippers have been receptive to listening on a potential deal, league sources said.

Sources: Clippers are talking deal for Knicks' Iman Shumpert

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Berger throws some cold water on the hot stove but the more trusted Wojnarowski, Stein, and Shelburne confirm mutual interest. Maybe it has to do with NYK's reported demands.

Doc better not compound the problem of his own-making in the roster makeup by taking back Felton's contract, especially since the Knicks are the ones shopping Shumpert hard and desperate for a point guard after striking out on Lowry and even Lin. In fact, I want New York to entice us by somehow getting Jordan Hill involved with us including Dudley, Mullens, and/or Jamison. If they insist on us taking back Felton, then tell them to look elsewhere.

Shumpert is a bit of a inefficient chucker but his athleticism, defense, and even rebounding would help the team. He supposedly can handle either guard spot but has the length to play small forward despite being listed at 6'5". The Clippers have been trying to develop Bullock into an SG given the previous thought of having too many SF's in Dudley and Barnes, but Bullock's lack of ball-handling would be more suited at the 3 spot.

Re: Collison for Felton and Shumpert talks

Posted: Wed Feb 19, 2014 9:24 pm
by Forte IV
I'm also all for Shump becoming our SF. He's 6'5, but he has length and athleticism. His numbers aren't impressive simply because he plays on a Knicks squad that has J.R. Smith and Carmelo jacking up shots after shots. They don't have a firm foundation for an offense there. Trust me when I say this, he would thrive for us.

Re: Collison for Felton and Shumpert talks

Posted: Wed Feb 19, 2014 9:29 pm
by azncorruptedo17
i still think they need to start Willie Green instead of getting shump... at least rotate him and bull cuz he needs PT... green is still viable

Re: Collison for Felton and Shumpert talks

Posted: Wed Feb 19, 2014 10:07 pm
by Chronz
SuperNova854 wrote:I'm also all for Shump becoming our SF. He's 6'5, but he has length and athleticism. His numbers aren't impressive simply because he plays on a Knicks squad that has J.R. Smith and Carmelo jacking up shots after shots. They don't have a firm foundation for an offense there. Trust me when I say this, he would thrive for us.

His numbers are well beneath unimpressive, and this has been his worst year yet.

Re: Collison for Felton and Shumpert talks

Posted: Wed Feb 19, 2014 10:08 pm
by mttwlsn16
i like shump. not if we have to take on fatty felton tho. unless we send back dudley to offset the salaries, but i doubt knicks would OK that bc i assume felton is a salary dump

Re: Collison for Felton and Shumpert talks

Posted: Wed Feb 19, 2014 10:57 pm
by Rico27
Yall talking about getting felton that he sux but look at dc he sux he cant guard n he cant pass so i think felton is better then him cause felton can take it to the hole n give u great passes n we have to give up shumpert for that bum i say i pass its not worth giving up shumpert for someone who got torched but lin..

Re: Collison for Felton and Shumpert talks

Posted: Wed Feb 19, 2014 10:59 pm
by Rico27
Also felton is averaging better numbers then dc in every category so felton is better then dc hands down better player pass.........................