Apparently Dudley was badly injured last season

Roscoe Sheed · Post #1 » by **Roscoe Sheed** » Fri Feb 13, 2015 2:24 am

Looks like Doc may have given up on him too soon

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/12316 ... s-clippers

Quake Griffin · Post #2 » by **Quake Griffin** » Fri Feb 13, 2015 2:33 am

"let me…see if i can sort through all this sentimental crap."
-SCSA

You're telling me all Doc had to do is acknowledge this guy's injury, give him some time off, lose a few games at the beginning of last year and we wouldn't be having this discussion about how bad of a GM he is at all????

LACtdom · Post #3 » by **LACtdom** » Fri Feb 13, 2015 3:20 am

Players always want to play. Coaches always want their best players on the court. No one tried to stop Doc from playing Dudley/Hawes/CDR/whoever while they were injured. Doc's a bad GM no matter what but someone is to blame for being greedy and letting our injured players play even when they can't produce.

Quake Griffin · Post #4 » by **Quake Griffin** » Fri Feb 13, 2015 4:00 am

LACtdom wrote:Players always want to play. Coaches always want their best players on the court. No one tried to stop Doc from playing Dudley/Hawes/CDR/whoever while they were injured. Doc's a bad GM no matter what but someone is to blame for being greedy and letting our injured players play even when they can't produce.

This Dudley **** spawned 80% of his bad moves. I'm not sure if he would have made the other 20% if Dudley was here and the team was performing fine.

All he really had to do was listen to him, rest him and we win that trade and hold on to him this summer…and that 1st rounder.

MartinToVaught · Post #5 » by **MartinToVaught** » Fri Feb 13, 2015 6:42 am

Quake Griffin wrote:You're telling me all Doc had to do is acknowledge this guy's injury, give him some time off, lose a few games at the beginning of last year and we wouldn't be having this discussion about how bad of a GM he is at all????

First of all, his epic mismanagement of Dudley did in fact happen, so it can't be handwaved away.

Second of all, judging from Doc's track record as a GM, I'm sure he'd just find some other hideously stupid personnel moves to do even if the Dudley trade worked out, so we'd still be having the discussion about how bad of a GM he is.

LACtdom · Post #6 » by **LACtdom** » Fri Feb 13, 2015 7:01 am

Quake Griffin wrote:
LACtdom wrote:Players always want to play. Coaches always want their best players on the court. No one tried to stop Doc from playing Dudley/Hawes/CDR/whoever while they were injured. Doc's a bad GM no matter what but someone is to blame for being greedy and letting our injured players play even when they can't produce.

This Dudley **** spawned 80% of his bad moves. I'm not sure if he would have made the other 20% if Dudley was here and the team was performing fine.

All he really had to do was listen to him, rest him and we win that trade and hold on to him this summer…and that 1st rounder.

The Dudley scenario is just an example of how Doc is. He plays injured players and he gives away rookies/picks. It's very frustrating to watch and you're right, if Dudley wasn't injured we would probably not have threads about how bad Doc is but it wouldn't make Doc a good GM because it would just happen another year.

Dynamix · Post #7 » by **Dynamix** » Fri Feb 13, 2015 9:13 am

Doc asked Dudley to play injured because we were already missing JJ and Barnes. He told him he would get to rest when they came back, which is what happened. I get all this. What I don't get is why he was so quick to get rid of him, giving up assets in the process, when he knew last season's Dudley wasn't at 100% and there was a strong chance he would bounce back.

Another thing that really bothers me is this:

Dudley said the Bucks' training staff was able to heal his right knee within a couple of weeks of the trade after he was unable to feel right during his time in Los Angeles.

I listened to the podcast and he said they used a rehab program (credited to a guy based in LA, no less) which got him feeling right in about a week, after an entire summer spent with our staff without significant improvement.

Post #8 » by **QRich3** » Fri Feb 13, 2015 12:18 pm

Dynamix wrote:Doc asked Dudley to play injured because we were already missing JJ and Barnes. He told him he would get to rest when they came back, which is what happened. I get all this. What I don't get is why he was so quick to get rid of him, giving up assets in the process, when he knew last season's Dudley wasn't at 100% and there was a strong chance he would bounce back.

Another thing that really bothers me is this:
Dudley said the Bucks' training staff was able to heal his right knee within a couple of weeks of the trade after he was unable to feel right during his time in Los Angeles.

I listened to the podcast and he said they used a rehab program (credited to a guy based in LA, no less) which got him feeling right in about a week, after an entire summer spent with our staff without significant improvement.

Agree, and all we're saying right now is mostly the same stuff we were saying as all this was unfolding, even if we didn't have all the details Dudley is givin now.

One thing though, the reason he was so quick to dump Dudley and waste a pick is not only his lack of patience, it's that we were less than a million below the hard cap and we only had 12 players on the roster. He f*cked up doing the numbers and needed to dump someone to have any sort of roster flexibility going forward, he may have even been forced by the league to dump someone to meet the required 13 players on the roster. The exact numbers are on another thread, they were really tight, and there was a possibility we'd get over the hard cap if we made the WCF because of Dudley bonus if we made it.

They never explained it in detail, and no journalist really pressed them for it, but it's pretty likely that he was in a position where he was forced by the CBA to dump a contract, and other teams knew it, so the Bucks shook him and his guys like the incompetent morons they are. I mean, to make that trade and not even get Middleton from them, I'm getting angry just talking about it

Quake Griffin · Post #9 » by **Quake Griffin** » Fri Feb 13, 2015 2:56 pm

MartinToVaught wrote:
Quake Griffin wrote:You're telling me all Doc had to do is acknowledge this guy's injury, give him some time off, lose a few games at the beginning of last year and we wouldn't be having this discussion about how bad of a GM he is at all????

First of all, his epic mismanagement of Dudley did in fact happen, so it can't be handwaved away.

Second of all, judging from Doc's track record as a GM, I'm sure he'd just find some other hideously stupid personnel moves to do even if the Dudley trade worked out, so we'd still be having the discussion about how bad of a GM he is.

didn't see anybody hand wave anything away.

Woodsanity · Post #10 » by **Woodsanity** » Fri Feb 13, 2015 4:24 pm

Doc basically said the same thing. He said that Jared is hurt right but since were shorthanded without Barnes he has to play. And playing just made the injury worse.

Whats really problematic is our medical staff. If a staph infection is caught early enough, a course of oral antibiotics is sufficient treatment so Blake could have avoided the downtime. Not to mention Dudley probably had lingering injuries due to our inept medical staff. These guys are clowns and we need to replace them and our GM.

Btw I got this off a person on topbuzz not sure if he posts here sorry lol.

Quake Griffin · Post #11 » by **Quake Griffin** » Fri Feb 13, 2015 6:27 pm

Woodsanity wrote:Doc basically said the same thing. He said that Jared is hurt right but since were shorthanded without Barnes he has to play. And playing just made the injury worse.

Whats really problematic is our medical staff. If a staph infection is caught early enough, a course of oral antibiotics is sufficient treatment so Blake could have avoided the downtime. Not to mention Dudley probably had lingering injuries due to our inept medical staff. These guys are clowns and we need to replace them and our GM.

Btw I got this off a person on topbuzz not sure if he posts here sorry lol.

said something like this in the other thread.

btw, why the Knicks symbol?

Ranma · Post #12 » by **Ranma** » Fri Feb 13, 2015 7:16 pm

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Woodsanity · Post #13 » by **Woodsanity** » Fri Feb 13, 2015 8:01 pm

Quake Griffin wrote:
Woodsanity wrote:Doc basically said the same thing. He said that Jared is hurt right but since were shorthanded without Barnes he has to play. And playing just made the injury worse.

Whats really problematic is our medical staff. If a staph infection is caught early enough, a course of oral antibiotics is sufficient treatment so Blake could have avoided the downtime. Not to mention Dudley probably had lingering injuries due to our inept medical staff. These guys are clowns and we need to replace them and our GM.

Btw I got this off a person on topbuzz not sure if he posts here sorry lol.

said something like this in the other thread.

btw, why the Knicks symbol?

Cause I live and New York and unfortunately because of that I support the Knicks.
When I want to watch basketball that isn't cringeworthy the Clips are my to go team.

Forte IV · Post #14 » by **Forte IV** » Fri Feb 13, 2015 8:14 pm

We've known Jasen Powell is a bad trainer forever. Why he's still around is beyond me.

Quake Griffin · Post #15 » by **Quake Griffin** » Sat Feb 14, 2015 12:37 am

Forte IV wrote:We've known Jasen Powell is a bad trainer forever. Why he's still around is beyond me.

I have faith that these things don't go unnoticed by Mr. Boogie Down himself.

Doc's FO moves as well.

TucsonClip · Post #16 » by **TucsonClip** » Sat Feb 14, 2015 12:48 am

I supported Dudley all last season, knowing this is not what he looks like as a player.

Dudley gave the team what he had while we were going through injuries, but at some point you actually have to extend your rotation to restrict minutes to guys who need it. Doc did this last year and is doing it again. Im waiting on Hawes to breakdown again with Blake out. Im actually surprised Blake or DJ havent broken down yet.

Post #17 » by **QRich3** » Sat Feb 14, 2015 11:58 am

Quake Griffin wrote:
Forte IV wrote:We've known Jasen Powell is a bad trainer forever. Why he's still around is beyond me.

I have faith that these things don't go unnoticed by Mr. Boogie Down himself.

Doc's FO moves as well.

I don't know, I'm gonna give him this season to get settled, but then he better start actually doing something other than dance for this team, or he's not much better than late DTS. Wait, that was too much, I admit, but the Clippers future is on his hands, not Doc's, he better start being proactive with some stuff like what you mention with the training staff, or veto trades that don't make sense in the long term. Every GM would mortgage the long term future of a team in exchange for short-term success and a better image for his career (specially a GM who's also the coach), it's in the hands of the owner to think further than that.

Zach Lowe mentioned something about him getting new iPads (I'm guessing he meant them Microsoft tablets) and technology for the team's day to day and that, does anyone know if he was just assuming, or Ballmer did in fact upgrade that sort of stuff?

The man is worth 20 billion, we should have the very best training staff money can afford.

Quake Griffin · Post #18 » by **Quake Griffin** » Sat Feb 14, 2015 3:12 pm

^^
I dont trust him on anything basketball related. So I wonder what kind of independent accessor he has in his ear to let him know when to veto something or that Doc is doing a **** job as GM?…Maybe fan mail?

This story just makes my head hurt.
I'd like to go back and play OKC with a healthy Dudley that can bend his damn knee, play defense and hit shots.

Roscoe Sheed · Post #19 » by **Roscoe Sheed** » Sat Feb 14, 2015 7:31 pm

Doc should not have traded Dudley- certainly not for the deal he agreed to. Dudley could have been quite helpful this season. He has played decently for the Bucks.

Don Tommy · Post #20 » by **Don Tommy** » Tue Feb 17, 2015 4:33 am

And now one of the reasons Amare decided to go to Dallas instead of the Clippers is their training staff. I am sure Jason Powell is a good guy and I hate EVER hoping someone loses their job (except VDN) but hopefully this will be a sign? After the Mogzov dunk and the look that Amare gave Blake I was wondering if he would be interested in coming here. I'm okay waiting for a Sanders buyout!